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Old 05-09-2009, 08:10 AM
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Default Blackfin 29 Combi with outboards

I'd like to address this to L132 and anyone else out there who can tell me about a Blackfin 29 Combi ( 1993 ) with twin 250 outboards that's being offered for sale. Is anyone familiar with this power option, one of only 7 supposedly made ? What kind of performance, and fuel economy can I expect vs. inboard diesels ?
I have a preference for outboards ( reliability, ease of repair etc. ) and am seriously looking at it. Any help or advice would be most appreciated. Thank you.
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Try your question at www.blackfinowners.com
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Thanks for the tip. Will do.
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Honestly, I've never heard of the old Blackfin make anything but 24/25's and the 27's in an outboard version. And in looking at the pictures of the one on Yachtworld,
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1993.../United-States
it looks like a conversion done by someone, likely after damage - why: it has the stern light behind the outboard motors, which does not meet USCG regs. Further, all of Blackfin's other outboard boats weren't done with the bracket, which in this case looks like an add on; and finally, this is the only one I have ever seen for sale.

As for performance, I couldn't tell you, but twin 250's should be enough to push it as fast as the gas engine Crusaders - 20/22 Kt cruise 29/30 kt top end. However without the ballast of the engines, with the tower, I would expect it to rock real bad on a drift; and I'd also be concerned with those outboard spending lots of time sucking air in big seas as the boat has a lot of weight forward.
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Looking at the photo's closer, the boat still has its engine room vents, which would be of zero use in an outboard powered boat. I am firmly of the opinion this is a conversion done later (likely around year 2000, since that is the age of the motors); and for the broker to suggest there are seven of them in existance touches on fraud, because he is trying to suggest it is rare, rather than tell the truct that this is a one off custom conversion - that would essentially be valueless.
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Looks like they are mounted to the swim platform.
If the blackfin is anything like the bertram - the transom is not designed for the weight or the torque of engines sitting back there. To be done right - the whole transom should be ripped out and rebuilt with new stringers/mounting points. Then you have a boat that was designed with a lower CG (inboards sitting lower). I would think with the tower - that boat would rock - especially on the hook. I would think for 50K you could probably find one that's been redone with diesels - (or close). Done right they are go anywhere style boats.

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Guys, thanks for the heads up. Your advice invaluable and much appreciated. In any event, the boat was sold last Friday so the hunt continues.
I'm looking for an Express type in the 29-30 foot range with outboards and right now considering the Hydra Sports 2900 VX or the Pursuit 2870 WA. Which would you suggest is worth a closer look ?
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This boat is not a conversion. I know because I had a one, same year. Mine was just about identical, but had a bigger tower and a slightly different set up aft of the port settee. Im not sure how many were built with outboards, but mine also had the ER vents and the stern light. With 250 OX66s, I would get 30 MPH burning 30 GPH at 4200.
That boat was built like a tank and would run thorugh damn near anything. The only downside to it was its lack of meneuverability around the dock. It was so damn heavy that wasn't real responsive at idle, but you get the hang of it after awhile.
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There is a 33' with 225 Johnsons in Alabama listed on Yachtworld. It is called a center console, but it is really more of a side console. Looks like a combi from the rubrail down.
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I own a 32' with original outboard cut-outs. The hull was manufactured in 1980. Boat was powered with twin Ocean Pro 225s. Cruise at 3600 produced 25-26 kts in normal 1' seas. I estimate fuel consumption between 1.3-1.5 mpg with the carbed 225s. I also have the full tower.
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Blackfin made several 29 Combi outboards, my friend's father owns one. He may have been one of the first customers to order one back in the 80's, he customer ordered it directly from Blackfin. Both of the engines were mounted on a cut away transom, not a bracket. Without extended shaft engines it did not run properly, so I THINK Blackfin started to mounted them on a bracket instead...
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Blackfin made several 29 Combi outboards, my friend's father owns one. He may have been one of the first customers to order one back in the 80's, he customer ordered it directly from Blackfin. Both of the engines were mounted on a cut away transom, not a bracket. Without extended shaft engines it did not run properly, so I THINK Blackfin started to mounted them on a bracket instead...
Also had a neighbor who owned a 29 Combi with twin 250 Yammies, came from the factory rigged that way. Those carbed motors were quite thirsty.
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Blackfin positively made the 29 Combi with outboards. We sold one a few years back and have a 1995 stored with us for the winter with twin Suzuki 300's (originally had OX66's)
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Blackfin made several 29 Combi outboards, my friend's father owns one. He may have been one of the first customers to order one back in the 80's, he customer ordered it directly from Blackfin. Both of the engines were mounted on a cut away transom, not a bracket. Without extended shaft engines it did not run properly, so I THINK Blackfin started to mounted them on a bracket instead...
The 29 (really it was called a 28) with the outboards mounted on a transom cut-out were made by the old Blackfin - those are known as the Cary hulls, because they were designed and for the most part built when Cary owned Blackfin (up through early 1982). Cary Blackfins are the 24, 25, 28 & 32/33 - all were relatively narrow and the 28 & 32 came as either outboards or inboards. When Herndon took over Blackfin, the 25 continued as it was, the 28 became the 27 and the 32 was discontinued - he then introduced a new 32 (Blackfin's most successful model) and 29, then a little later added the 36 (which was never blackfin's best - the hull was a little too short - a problem fixed by additing 2' and creating the well respected 38) which had a short life.
The 29 is the only Herndon Blackfin to live the entire time Blackfin Yachts existed (1982-1998) as the same model; the BF32 was made from 1982-1993 (Combi '89-93')and then evolved into the 33 (Flybridge and Combi) which was made from 1993-1998 to allow for it to introduce the 31 Combi (1993-1997).
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