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Old 04-26-2009, 06:31 PM
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Looking for guidance and opinions on C Dory Angler 16 vs Arima Sea Explorer/Chaser 16. Also considering C Dory 19 Angler vs Arima Sea Ranger 19 Hard Top. Boat would be freshwater only on large New England lakes. Coming from sailboat, so speed is not a factor. Prefer stability and deep cockpit, wife a little fearful of water. The C dory, (I've seen a couple of them)seem very spartan and rough around the edges literally. In the cabin there are large ugly dimples in the hull where the rub rail rivets are "buried". They have a strong following. Arima I have not seen except via the web site. They look like they have a better fit and finish. Both boats seem pricy for what you get.
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Check out c-brats.com if you haven't already you'll find anything you ever wanted to know about C-Dory's there. I owned a 16 C-Dory and traded it for a 22 C-Dory Cruiser which I currently have and love. C-Dory also make a Venture Series in 23' and 26' which are finished out a little nicer than the standard C-Dory.
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I have a 19' arima hard top going into my second year. Fit and finish on the boat is quite nice. I have not seen a C-Dory in person, but in pictures does seem rougher.
The problems I have with the Arima are low standing room at the helm, cuddy is very low also, windshield does not open for ventilation. Can be a hot boat with the hard top. Phil
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I had the Arima Sea Chaser 17. Extremely stable and very deep boat,probably the largest cockpit you'll see in a 17' boat. Arimas (except for the 22') are not self draining, so if you decide to store in the water make sure the battery has a charger on it.

The 17 needs tabs or a whale tail to keep the bow down, but offers a nice ride around 20 mph to 25 mph, depending on conditions. Will stay on plane down to 11-12 mph. I had a 75 hp Honda and could hit about 31 mph wide open, a 90 is probably best for the 17's hull, although some people do use 115s.

If you got the Sea Ranger with hard top, get a 115 at least, and a 150 would not be a bad choice. The cabin tops are low. I am 5'9" and my head was very close to the top in the 21 hardtop I looked at. Removing the cover of the in deck storage gives you more room, but in my opinion would be stupid/dangerous (slick finish in there).

If I ever go back to an Arima (because they are very good for just cruising around and trolling or bottom fishing - very stable and sea worthy), I would get a 19' Chaser with 150 hp Honda or Suzuki.

I never got the chance to be on a C-Dory to check them out. From the outside they look nice, and there is lots of discussion online between Arima and C-Dory owners. Essentially, it seems to be the Arima is a better fishing boat, and the C-Dory is a better cruiser. This may be changing since Arima has added some larger cabin version to the 21' line.

Also, if you are on the east coast and want to sell either one, plan on taking a long time, as they have few dealers out here and are not well known. On the west coast, esp. Washington to Alaska, they are well known and well liked. And yes, they are priced close to Gradys, likely due to being limited production boats with high demand.
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:40 AM
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I have the C-Dory Tomcat. I actually prefer the relatively bare interior, it's part of the salty appeal. Remove the cushions and electronics and you could take a hose to the interior. Also, it makes it much cleaner and easier to install and modify things to your liking.

I don't have first hand experience with the smaller models, but they do make "Angler" and "Cruiser" models. The Angler models offer more cockpit space. The C-Brat's website is the best source for information. C-Dory's cost a bit more, they have a great following and command much higher resale values.

I researched Arima before I purchased the C-Dory but I honestly don't recall much about them.

Good luck with your search.
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The problems I have with the Arima are low standing room at the helm, cuddy is very low also, windshield does not open for ventilation. Can be a hot boat with the hard top. Phil
C-Dory offers a high top version which I have and it has 6'6" head room as opposed to 6'2" of the standard height. The middle and side windows also open for ventilation. There are quit a few out there with RV roof type AC's powered from either shore power or Honda 2000 generators. I've spent many nights on my 22 on the hook and with a simple 12v fan and have not found them uncomfortable in NE Florida. As Matt mentioned I find the simple interior a plus especailly for customizing to your individual needs. I think the C-Dory is a little more economical than the Arima in that with the flatter bottom it requires less power. My 22 heavily loaded will top out at 30 MPH and averages 3.8 MPG
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Talking C Dory Arima

The #1 difference is in the hulls. The CDory has a flat bottom, which is nice for shallow water launching. The flat bottom and narrow profile make this boat easy on the fuel. Any flat bottom boat can be sloppy in in moderate to rough seas. That said, I've been in some rough seas in a Dory and once you get used to it rolling around in all directions, it seems to do OK

One thing that I always thought was iritating on my old Dory. When traveling on calm water at WOT, the prop torque would tip the boat on it's side. We were still going like heck with the water spraying by the helm window 2' away.

The Arima has a V hull which rides very nice over the slop. A matter of fact, I would have to say that the Arima has the nicest small boat ride that I've been on. The Arima is a wide boat, so you have quite a bit of room inside for the length. The boat remains pretty flat on the water.

I would say that the construction is similar in the two brands.

The C Dory has always had a hard top, which is nice in the colder areas. Most Arimas have been open, with exception of the newest ones.

Both are good boats. Just keep a mind on the sea conditions. The California coast is always sloppy, cold and windy, so, I would choose Arima.
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I had the 1511, now the 16. Absolutely a great little pocket cruiser. With the Honda 50 I could do 26 mph and get 7 mpg.


It came with a Yamaha 60 but that motor was so troublesome and stinky I upgraded to the Honda after a year or so.

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Thanks everyone for all the great feedback. The low cabin top on the 19 Arima does not seem like fun. Too bad they don't raise it a few inches. The C Dory 19 I think is 6' 2" cabin headroom which will certainly do for me. Wife seems pretty adament that she wants a pilothouse style boat. I guess we got caught on the sailboat in one too many thunderstorms. I always kept a close eye on the sky but it is obviously a slow way back on a sailboat. Please keep the feedback going. Big difference does seem to be the hull, dory very flat but Arima has more V. Kevin
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Thanks everyone for all the great feedback. The low cabin top on the 19 Arima does not seem like fun. Too bad they don't raise it a few inches. The C Dory 19 I think is 6' 2" cabin headroom which will certainly do for me. Wife seems pretty adament that she wants a pilothouse style boat. I guess we got caught on the sailboat in one too many thunderstorms. I always kept a close eye on the sky but it is obviously a slow way back on a sailboat. Please keep the feedback going. Big difference does seem to be the hull, dory very flat but Arima has more V. Kevin
Kevin, I know all about sailing in the rain

2001 Arima 21 Sea Ranger owner here. I was looking at a NEW Sea Ranger17 in '02 just at the time Arima lost their dealership, here in the entire Midwest. A neighbor had the 21 and offered me a test ride on the 21 and we ended up making a deal. Still wish I had bought the 17, it's so much easier to tow and it's identical, just 4' shorter(only 6" shorter in the cabin). With the market the way it is find a great deal on a used one, I almost bought new, but ended up w/ a 2 year old 21 for ~1/2 the price of a 17, and the deals are way better now.

Regarding the enclosure, I've got the soft top and all the canvas to completely enclose the helm area. I actually prefer the option of being able to run topless, but the enclosure is great for early and late season, and overnighting. The ideal setup, in my mind, is the "skiptower" rigid top, 6'-2" headroom w/ all the curtains.

Arimas owner site was moved from MSN to here in Dec '08 so the content is all new
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http://weloveourarimas.multiply.com/photos
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:15 PM
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Thanks everyone for all the great feedback. The low cabin top on the 19 Arima does not seem like fun.
We lived aboard a Bristol 27 for 3 years.


After moving ashore and having a family, my wife and daughter wanted a big comfortable boat. We bought a 35' trawler with all the bells and whistles and responsibility that goes along with it..


The 'family' hardly every went out, and I ended up with more boat than I wanted to manage alone (physically and financially).

That's when we bought the Arima 1511, because it was the boat I wanted.

A pleasure on the trailer and on the water. The 'family' and I spent more time aboard that little 16 footer than we ever did on the trawler...sometimes the 3 of us and my wife's wheelchair would be out several days in a row without ever going ashore.

There's a price to pay by going 'big', the boat is more, the motor is more, the equipment is more, the insurance is more and the responsibility is more, usually resulting in less use. We decided to upsize to be able to include the wheelchair more conveniently and bought a Seaswirl 1850. It is a little more trouble all around than the Arima, but still very manageable. The 1850 has been to Block Island, Lake Michigan, San Juans, Catalina, Mobile, Key West the Bahamas and even Alaska. We wouldn't have a boat where we couldn't be outside while navigating. When it rains, we put up the canvas.


If you're dead set on a pilot house, you might consider a Parker.

like belongs to my brother-in-law. We cruise with him quite a bit, and his boat is real comfortable, but we still like our 1850 better.
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Jeff,
I did look at a Parker 2120 SC last year. Loved it but to me it seems huge to put in and out at the ramp. Upside is I don't have to worry about the 20' mast. Also very expensive and with that hull shape I don't want to buy the gas. I did shop a Striper (1851 I think),thought price new was not too bad and that was two years ago. It looked huge in the showroom, but yours in the water looks much lower than I would have thought. I may have to revisit the Seaswirl Striper 1851.
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Sunfish,

Let me start by saying that your question is very timely for me. I currently have an older 24 Grady White that I'm in the process of selling. One of the gentleman said that there is a certain price for going big..and he was right.
While I enjoyed the size when I used it...not very often, it just killed me with the "care and feeding" not to mention storage.

We use to have an Arima 1511 Sea Explorer. That boat was awesome. I could fish all day (San Juan Islands) and only use about five to seven gallons of gas.

Before we bought the boat, my dad and I went to the Arima factory and got a tour (very interesting). We met Mr.Arima (nice man) and he talked to us about the whole concept of why he built the boat in the first place. He was going for a stable, economical (to operate) and quality built boat that ran on a smaller engine.

As I'm selling my boat, I've decided to go back to what I really liked and used and that is the Arima, this time the Sea Chaser 17. I've looked at C-Dory and they have a fine rep, but for me, I didn't like the beam.

One more thing to consider is customer service. I don't have any reference for C-Dory, but I know that if I need something from Arima you can call and talk to them and they'll help you out. They are not cheap boats, but in the PNW you don't see many for sale and when you do, there snapped up pretty quick. Just my 2 cents...good luck with the hunt.

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