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Old 08-23-2009, 12:49 PM
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Florida has introduced Rec 90, a non-ethanol fuel. It is available is many marinas. The DOT restriction as I undestand it that a non-ethanol fuel cannot be used in an over-the-road vehicle as of Jan 1, 2010.
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Old 08-23-2009, 01:03 PM
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The ethanol craze was started by the greenies falsely beleiving it is better for the environment. The truth is, it is a very dirty process to refine the stuff. Of course the farmers love it because of the subsidies so you have 2 groups lobbying for it. Thankfully many people are starting to realize that it doesn't make sense.
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Actually it was not started by the Greenies...It was started by the American Farm Bureau, the National Corn Growers Association and a company called Broin Companies, which has since changed its name to Poet Energy.

For a long time if one did the energetic calculations on a calorie in vs. calorie out, it took more energy to make a gallon of ETOH than you got back out. Nothing there has changed much, although the ETOH guys have improved their efficiencies a bit.

Then under some political pressure from the above mentioned groups and some land grant university profs who get their funding from guess who...the US Dept of Agriculture changed their calculations and guess what??? Now instead of ETOH being a net loss, it is a net positive!! Wowsers, changed the First Law of Thermodynamics...That my friends is pretty dang good!!

Also, at the time there was concern about a gasoline oxygenater called MTBE getting out into the ground water. This is an important concern and must be dealt with, however in my view ETOH is the wrong solution.

Taking gallons of high energy diesel fuel to grow and transport corn, fertilizer, produce the fertilizer etc to produce a medium energy compound like ETOH makes no sense. Not to mention the huge CO2 production associated with ETOH fermentation, some of which is now trapped but lots of which is released into the atmospher...Can you say Global Warming??
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Actually, ethanol was first used as a fuel additive for gasoline back in the early 1900's.

In the 1930's, ethanol was used to increase compression in engines through the process of carbonization. Just ask "Ethyl" from the ethanol advertisements of the time.


Mandated ethanol in fuels was started in earnest by the liberal Democrat Congress under Bill Clinton.

"The Energy Policy Act of 1992 set a national goal of 30 percent penetration of alternative fuels in light-duty vehicles by 2010. It also requires the federal government, alternative fuel providers, state and local governments and private fleets to purchase vehicles that run on alternative fuels. In 1998, the Transportation Efficiency Act of the 21st Century extended the ethanol tax incentive through 2007. "


Remember our Buddy Al Gore who has since made millions peddling the man made global warming lie?
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Actually, ethanol was first used as a fuel additive for gasoline back in the early 1900's.

In the 1930's, ethanol was used to increase compression in engines through the process of carbonization. Just ask "Ethyl" from the ethanol advertisements of the time.
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You'll get no argument from me on the politics of the matter, but about old "Ethyl" I beg to differ. Being nearly old enough to be a certified "geezer," I'm real sure that the Ethyl Corporation sold an additive to raise the octane of gasoline at the pump, and it was based on a compound called (I think) tetraethyl lead. That's where the "ethyl" in "ethyl gasoline" came from, and also the "Ethyl" of the ads. Not anything to do with alcohol.

During the first smog cleanups of the sixties, the handwriting was on the wall for any lead additive, and ethyl (and Ethyl) went away.
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Sorry KPS, but I have a copy of the advertisment right here in front of me from 1934.

"Ethyl" claims that ethanol increases compression in the cylinder by carbonizing it. There is even a drawing of Ethyl.


Perhaps you are having an alzhiemers moment
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State of FL legislature approved Recreation 90 octane NON ALCOHOL fuel.
Most water side pumps in FL marinas sell Non Alcohol 90 Octane fuel.
Some road side gas stations sell it.Road side is the cheapest and runs 25-30 cents more than 87 Octane E 10.Marinas have to pay special polution and other marina fees.
Islamorada ,15 mile stretch, has about 8 places you can buy it.

If you are a typical recereational fisherman ie 200-300 hrs per year then it is well worth it vs maintenance problems w E10.

If you don't live in FL ; email or write your legislator and tell them to get their ass in gear.

you can NOT buy it in Lafayette,Liberty ,Madison, Suwanee,and Washington Counties because they are dry ..
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I have the 90 octane ethanol free gas on the water here in Palm Beach, but I have yet to see it on land.
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