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I am guessing that this is the figerglass version of the old Parker Fin Cat, which has been around for a number of years.
Bull
I'd value your opinion. Would you look (if you haven't) at the "Technology" tab on that Mamba link, and tell me what you think of these "fine-tuned for each boat" steel hydrofoils, etc., and the rest of the claims there. Anything to them, part true or all true, or what? I figure they are not all true (nothing ever is on a company site) but I'm not up on the double tunnel or whatever they are featuring.
Bullshipper - 2/21/2009 11:27 AM I am guessing that this is the figerglass version of the old Parker Fin Cat, which has been around for a number of years.
Bingo! look at that Aysymentric hull shape. If not, veryclose.
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Gator Mike I emailed Richard Pike to arrange a sea trial for Friday at the Miami show and he said they were still doing some cosmetic stuff and up all night getting the rubrails on which arrived late to their shop. he said they would be lucky to get to the Miami show by Friday afternoon so I did not get a chance to see the boat. looks nice in the pictures. still claims 2 mpg at cruise with WOT over 62mph with suzuki 300s. I wanted to see the extended console which he said would fit a queen size bed. He said he had 4 orders prior to the show. I was curious to see if anyone had been on it too. I thought you were looking at this cat.
I love Cats, but with GB going bankrupt, do you really think there is a market for these boats? Same with the freeman cat. What happens when you put a large sum of money into a boat and the company goes under? If a mass produced Cat with a good reputation ( glacier bay) can't make it, what are the chances of this making it?
Gator Mike I emailed Richard Pike to arrange a sea trial for Friday at the Miami show and he said they were still doing some cosmetic stuff and up all night getting the rubrails on which arrived late to their shop. he said they would be lucky to get to the Miami show by Friday afternoon so I did not get a chance to see the boat. looks nice in the pictures. still claims 2 mpg at cruise with WOT over 62mph with suzuki 300s. I wanted to see the extended console which he said would fit a queen size bed. He said he had 4 orders prior to the show. I was curious to see if anyone had been on it too. I thought you were looking at this cat.
Been keeping my eye on it waiting to see if anything materialized. Would likely have taken a trip had I known it would be ready. The extended console looks sweet! The Mamba should eat up anything out there in terms of speed and soft ride. I'd venture to say this boat is now at the top of my list. We ended up taking advantage of the realestate market and purchasing a waterfront property so the boat purchase has been put off for a little while. I'd like to see it in a 32 also.
I am guessing that this is the figerglass version of the old Parker Fin Cat, which has been around for a number of years.
Bull
you're 100% right it is a remake of the Parker Fin Cat , I climbed on the boat and thats what I was told by the salespeople on it
they did not get to the show until sunday with the boat sounds like they were behind schedule getting it finished ,did not go for a ride since my ride was waiting for me but here are my quick observations
good looks very nice lines from the side it does not resemble a cat
pricy $270k will be a tough sale in this market they had a show special price but I didn't even bother getting it since I'm not in the market
VERY LOW tunnel height, I think there would be a lot of tunnel slap while driffting or slow troll was told by the salesman that the FOIL stops this from happening (doesn't make sense to me but it may be true)
was told top speed is 60mph thats fast but I tought for a true planning hull with the foil design it be a little faster ( 60 is more speed then I need)
overall quality and layup looked good
I love Cats, but with GB going bankrupt, do you really think there is a market for these boats? Same with the freeman cat. What happens when you put a large sum of money into a boat and the company goes under? If a mass produced Cat with a good reputation ( glacier bay) can't make it, what are the chances of this making it?
your observation is somewhat coorect about GB there are also a lot of monohull builders that have fallen to the current economy and its the same if you buy a mono or cat and the company folds at least GB had a good reputation of quality product so at least people that bought them should not have the fear that they will fall apart
GB made the mistake af putting to much money and time (and maybe some design flaws into the larger boats)
small builders can survive if they keep overhead to a minimum and produce a quqlity product I believe that Freeman will survive from what I've seen he's listening to his customers but he's not rushing into investing mega bucks into molds until he's sure he has enough demand for his product eventually he'll have to has the wood build turns off a lot of people
I own a Renaissance Prowler the company has also stayed small and very customer service oriented they have 2 proven hulls and have stayed with that concept for awhile and its worked well for them
A 35 boat with and 11' beam getting 64 mph with twin 300's, and a claimed 2 mpg economy at cruise is pretty darn efficient if true and attests to the little bit of extra puch that the hysucat foil (and probable rear lifting skegs) gives you. A comparable monohull would probably need at least 1 more engine to do the same.
The problem with foils on anything smaller than a commercial boat is that the added lift mkes them squirely, and if you watch the videao, this boat looks a little bowhappy to me. I would have expected a smoother ride from a 35 in those conditions, but its not easy to tell as speeds are not indicated either. In any case, the boat with the camera seem to ride a little smoother, or may have had a steadycam for the session.
270 is a bit too much, 180 or so for something in the 32' range would be ideal
for around $180k you can get into the Renaissance 30 its not a 32 fotter but its a really big 30 if you comapre to other 30' boats actually I thing its around 34' if you count pulpit and swim platform like most buildres do these days and to top it off its a well proven hull so you're taking a gamble
I am guessing that this is the figerglass version of the old Parker Fin Cat, which has been around for a number of years.
Bull
I'd value your opinion. Would you look (if you haven't) at the "Technology" tab on that Mamba link, and tell me what you think of these "fine-tuned for each boat" steel hydrofoils, etc., and the rest of the claims there. Anything to them, part true or all true, or what? I figure they are not all true (nothing ever is on a company site) but I'm not up on the double tunnel or whatever they are featuring.
The rounded tunnel has a full length wave breaker. The rounded shape helps to reduce the slap, but once again, its low, has a lot of turbulence and adds drag. The alternative is to make a high turbulence free tunnel, with steps down to the motor so you can release a fish or get on the boat if you are a diver.
A 35 boat with and 11' beam getting 64 mph with twin 300's, and a claimed 2 mpg economy at cruise is pretty darn efficient if true and attests to the little bit of extra puch that the hysucat foil (and probable rear lifting skegs) gives you. A comparable monohull would probably need at least 1 more engine to do the same.
The problem with foils on anything smaller than a commercial sized ferry is that the added lift mkes them squirely, and if you watch the video, this boat looks a little bow happy to me. I would have expected a smoother ride from a 35 in those conditions, but its not easy to tell as speeds are not indicated either. In any case, the boat with the camera seems to ride a little smoother, or may have had a steadycam for the session.
A 35 boat with and 11' beam getting 64 mph with twin 300's, and a claimed 2 mpg economy at cruise is pretty darn efficient if true and attests to the little bit of extra puch that the hysucat foil (and probable rear lifting skegs) gives you. A comparable monohull would probably need at least 1 more engine to do the same.
The problem with foils on anything smaller than a commercial boat is that the added lift mkes them squirely, and if you watch the videao, this boat looks a little bowhappy to me. I would have expected a smoother ride from a 35 in those conditions, but its not easy to tell as speeds are not indicated either. In any case, the boat with the camera seem to ride a little smoother, or may have had a steadycam for the session.
Bull I was told that top speed was 60 with a light load yes that is very fast more then I need as I said my biggest concern was tunnel height ,looking at it from across the dock it looked as if itwas sitting on the water with maybe 6" clearance at the most and $270K OUCH!!!!!!!! but I guess if you look at other boats in the same price range even monohulls its not that crazy
A 35 boat with and 11' beam getting 64 mph with twin 300's, and a claimed 2 mpg economy at cruise is pretty darn efficient if true and attests to the little bit of extra puch that the hysucat foil (and probable rear lifting skegs) gives you. A comparable monohull would probably need at least 1 more engine to do the same.
The problem with foils on anything smaller than a commercial boat is that the added lift mkes them squirely, and if you watch the videao, this boat looks a little bowhappy to me. I would have expected a smoother ride from a 35 in those conditions, but its not easy to tell as speeds are not indicated either. In any case, the boat with the camera seem to ride a little smoother, or may have had a steadycam for the session.
Bull I was told that top speed was 60 with a light load yes that is very fast more then I need as I said my biggest concern was tunnel height ,looking at it from across the dock it looked as if itwas sitting on the water with maybe 6" clearance at the most and $270K OUCH!!!!!!!! but I guess if you look at other boats in the same price range even monohulls its not that crazy
The water in the vid is quite smooth which cat's dont seem to like, at least in my experience. Get her in some steep chop like is common here on the west coast of FL and it'll really shine.
Bullshipper - 2/21/2009 5:30 PM
this boat looks a little bowhappy to me. I would have expected a smoother ride from a 35 in those conditions, but its not easy to tell as speeds are not indicated either. In any case, the boat with the camera seem to ride a little smoother, or may have had a steadycam for the session.
I thought the same thing for the conditions, the boat seemed to do what cats are famous for bounce around.
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look at that Aysymentric hull shape. If not, veryclose.
