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,the marine grade will also have finer strands than the cheap automotive cabling.cheaply built boat use automotive wire-aquasport did,wellcraft still does...
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You have know idea what yor talking about. Every Wellcraft and Aquasport I have seen is wired with marine grade wire and are not cheaply made. Just because a boat doesn't have Contender or Regulator on the side doesn't make it low quality.
i gotta laugh at this..
first,do you know the difference between tinned marine grade and automotive wire ?? clearly,you don't...go out to your boat,pick a wire,cut it,strip it...does it appear to be silver ??? if it doesn't appear to be silver,it's not tinned,meaning it's automotive wire...would you like me to take afew pics of a job at my shop to prove the point ???
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Thanks Guys- I may just buy premade cables. I saw (in another thread) that Genuinedealz has decent looking stuff for this . Went to the site and they will assemble too. What sized holes will I need in the lugs?? Same size both ends for the batt switch and batt posts? 3/8"? 1/4" do these have to be a tight fit onto the posts?
Do I buy their tinned-copper or their tinned "heavy wall" lugs?
I'm not sure of the size cable I have either ,(it's not too large of a size) and it's a short piece, maybe 2 ft. I will have them made at 3ft. For use with a 150 O/B motor.
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,the marine grade will also have finer strands than the cheap automotive cabling.cheaply built boat use automotive wire-aquasport did,wellcraft still does...
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You have know idea what yor talking about. Every Wellcraft and Aquasport I have seen is wired with marine grade wire and are not cheaply made. Just because a boat doesn't have Contender or Regulator on the side doesn't make it low quality.
i gotta laugh at this..
first,do you know the difference between tinned marine grade and automotive wire ?? clearly,you don't...go out to your boat,pick a wire,cut it,strip it...does it appear to be silver ??? if it doesn't appear to be silver,it's not tinned,meaning it's automotive wire...would you like me to take afew pics of a job at my shop to prove the point ???
Yes I do know the difference between marine grade and auto grade. I have 20 plus years experience in electronics and pnuematics working in the offshore marine industry. I used to work on tugs and supply boats fixing engine alarms, steering systems and dynamic positioning systems. My Wellcraft has marine grade wiring and my uncles Aquasport does also. Yes it is all tinned. Now I work for the phone company installing large battery systems and charging systems and maintaining the equiptment.
,the marine grade will also have finer strands than the cheap automotive cabling.cheaply built boat use automotive wire-aquasport did,wellcraft still does...
...
You have know idea what yor talking about. Every Wellcraft and Aquasport I have seen is wired with marine grade wire and are not cheaply made. Just because a boat doesn't have Contender or Regulator on the side doesn't make it low quality.
i gotta laugh at this..
first,do you know the difference between tinned marine grade and automotive wire ?? clearly,you don't...go out to your boat,pick a wire,cut it,strip it...does it appear to be silver ??? if it doesn't appear to be silver,it's not tinned,meaning it's automotive wire...would you like me to take afew pics of a job at my shop to prove the point ???
Yes I do know the difference between marine grade and auto grade. I have 20 plus years experience in electronics and pnuematics working in the offshore marine industry. I used to work on tugs and supply boats fixing engine alarms, steering systems and dynamic positioning systems. My Wellcraft has marine grade wiring and my uncles Aquasport does also. Yes it is all tinned. Now I work for the phone company installing large battery systems and charging systems and maintaining the equiptment.
My Aquasport 215 Explorer did not repeat did not use marine grade wire. They used untinned wire that I had to replace about two years after putting the boat in service.
Then I stand corrected. What yr is you Aquasport. My uncles was an early 90's model and my Wellcraft is a 95 and both of theses boats have marine grade.
Then I stand corrected. What yr is you Aquasport. My uncles was an early 90's model and my Wellcraft is a 95 and both of theses boats have marine grade.
when i get into my shop tomorrow,i will prove the point,i have a '00 wellcraft in there,i will show exactly how poorly that thing is built,and i will prove the point about the wiring as well...
one thing i promise you is,if i'm wrong,i'll be the first guy to admit it,and if i know i'm right,i won't let it go...
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This is one of the times when you are better off buying at West Marine, since you get to use their crimping equptment. (unless you have your own). Agree with the adhesive heat shrink tubing.
I recently purchased a couple of group 27 batteries at Sam's and both terminals were 5/16, rather than 3/8 ... 5/16. Do not use the wing nuts, use SS nuts, I use small flat washers and then a lock washer--using a wrench to tighten the nut down to the stud.
Jaws,
Do me a favor. Find out who makes the larger cables and let me know. You know, helm feed or main ground buss cables. I'd be very interested to know.
Jaws,
Do me a favor. Find out who makes the larger cables and let me know. You know, helm feed or main ground buss cables. I'd be very interested to know.
back peddling ???
trust me pal,you're gonna lose...the wiring in these boats,it's cheap automotive copper wire,not marine grade tinned...i will take multiple pictures,if i'm wrong,i'll tell ya...if you're wrong,i'm gonna expect the same thing...deal ???
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I can tell the weather outsdie in most of the country by the tone of the posts in this thread. I'm just that good
I have soldered and crimped. Neither has ever failed.
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Jaws,
Not Back-peddling, just want to see it. If it's the truth, I got no problem with that. Just get me the name on the cable (pic would be nice). I left there in May '00, but I still know the Engineering Manager from that time frame. PM me with the results, if you would.
Demeanor, it was damn cold here in Tampa Bay today! Sucked!
The OP got his answers, seemed to be comfortable with a solution, the thread is thoroughly derailed, so I'm going to continue. All marine grade cable is not tinned!.... tinning is not a requirement of marine grade wire.
I buy tinned wire, I tried to buy crimps from the same manufacture ( hoping to have the same tin on the conductor and the crimp) and I buy the crimping tool from the manufacture of the crimps. Those are things that we can all do to minimize problems.
I do think commuter boats is right about the tinning (and if he is, might explain some of the different observations here.) I was always taught that the approved marine wire will always be finer stranded than its auto or other counterpart, in the same gauge, but the tinning was optional. Is it better? Sure, but I think it is just a quality issue, not required for approval as marine grade.
The OP got his answers, seemed to be comfortable with a solution, the thread is thoroughly derailed, so I'm going to continue. All marine grade cable is not tinned!.... tinning is not a requirement of marine grade wire.
I buy tinned wire, I tried to buy crimps from the same manufacture ( hoping to have the same tin on the conductor and the crimp) and I buy the crimping tool from the manufacture of the crimps. Those are things that we can all do to minimize problems.
try again...
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a 5 star wrenchin' whore !!!
To the OP...you'd be better off buying the ready made Ancor wire from BW or WM for the short lengths you need.
By the time you add up the connectors, wire, and heat shrink..you'll save about $5, and you'll still have to crimp the wire yourself. I went through this exact same exercise when I put in a battery switch last year, and ended up buying the premade wire.
Joe - 1/17/2009 12:10 AM To the OP...you'd be better off buying the ready made Ancor wire from BW or WM for the short lengths you need. By the time you add up the connectors, wire, and heat shrink..you'll save about $5, and you'll still have to crimp the wire yourself. I went through this exact same exercise when I put in a battery switch last year, and ended up buying the premade wire.
He said the cables he's having trouble with are the premade ones. Maybe he just got a bad set?
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Subject: Re: Cutting Back Battery Cable???
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The OP got his answers, seemed to be comfortable with a solution, the thread is thoroughly derailed, so I'm going to continue. All marine grade cable is not tinned!.... tinning is not a requirement of marine grade wire.
I buy tinned wire, I tried to buy crimps from the same manufacture ( hoping to have the same tin on the conductor and the crimp) and I buy the crimping tool from the manufacture of the crimps. Those are things that we can all do to minimize problems.
try again...
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don't try this at home....i'm a profesional......
i know it's misspelled-it's a joke...get it???
jim anderson jimmy's marine service llc
a 5 star wrenchin' whore !!!
Jimmy Anderson jimmies marine service LLC..... when somebody posts on here as a professional and then blows a lot of smoke, it makes us all look bad.
There's people on this forum that have little respect for those of us in the marine trades ( is easy to understand why), I don't like being wrong until proven right. Here's a link to the Coast Guard CFRs, the standard that the yacht council refers to, please find reference to tinning. http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...83_main_02.tpl
Plenty of info within for me (op) guys!! Thanks for all the input. The thread's only a little derailed, but thats fun isn't it?? Besides, it's 7 degrees out. Not much else to do, eh?
I think I'll be ordering a set from GeniunedealZ. They say they'll make em up. Do I want regular lugs or the heavy walled ones? I'm gonna go down to the boat later and get an O.D. measurement on what's in there now. I only have a 3 ft run from the switch to the battery. Size 4? 2? Originally I wanted to cut back the cables as last time I tried to remove the battery switch to get to the back of it, it was one MUTHA!! Whoever put it on stripped out the bolts and I didn't wanna mess with them you see.
Re: Cutting Back Battery Cable??? 
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