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Old 01-02-2009, 12:34 PM
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Default Can't Find Johnson Ultra-HPF Gear Lube, Pennzoil OK?

My Johnson 140 4-stroke manaul calls for Johnson Ultra-HPF gearcase lube. All the johnson shops are going out of biz so I bought some Pennzoil Marine High Viscosity Lower unit gear lube SAE 80W-90. Will that work?

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When all else fails, reach for a bottle of Merc high performance gear lube. It's about the best out there.


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When all else fails, reach for a bottle of Merc high performance gear lube. It's about the best out there.


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When all else fails, reach for a bottle of Merc high performance gear lube. It's about the best out there.


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most of the hardcore racers use penzoil
ever notice why the merc smells like rotten eggs all the time?

i will dig up an atricle on it
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These are quotes form another am-tech member how has extensive racing background
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Amsoil is over rated and so is all of the mercruiser's oils and gear lubes. many of todays REAL synthetics use esters which are polar and adhere to metal parts. One of the best oils on the market as of today Redline. The biggest problem with Amsoil is oxidation. Its level is always very high in used oil. High levels of oxidation can and will lead to corrosion problems, not very good for the internal parts of any motor. So in salt water I would bet thats the problem more so. Also the more oxidation taking place the more wear on the internals

Volvo's take is you can not run other gear lubes because of the coating on their cone clutch called Nedox. They say it ends up flaking off if their gear oil is not used. Early Volvo SX drives, OMC SX/Cobra (94-97) also recommended Mobil One 75w-90 and I heard at one time Mobil was making Volvo's gear lube. I have used other gear lube in Volvo's from the same owners for over 11 years straight with out any problems. About 4 years ago I built a race motor for a boat of mine to race in the APBA offshore series (when it was the APBA) and sent off all kinds of gear lube and motor oil (used and unused) to be tested by a friend of mine who is privately hired by pro race teams around the world as an oil analysis, chemist and oil formulator. Nascar pays about 1,000 dollars an hour. So you better know the latest and greatest about oil and whats going on with it. This guy is a walking wealth of info about engines, oil, gears, oil filters and so on. Of course he can not talk about a lot of things that these race teams are doing and who they are. One of the weakest was the Mercruiser Hi- Performance and he wrote next to their results not impressed at all. Volvo's was pretty strong at the time but not the best. Also at the time Pennzoil Marine 100% syn.75w-90 was really good and for the price. It out shined all the oem's marine gear oils. Also all these oils that say 100% and full synthetic are not even close and most are not synthetic at all. Group III. They are able to claim this because some of the additives blended in with their base stocks are man made. Man-made (synthetic)

mercruiser gear lube was a 80w-90 unused a little thicker from the Penn and Volvo both were 75w-90. How many times have you seen Mercruiser Hi-Perf gear lube geled up in the gear lube reservoir after you drain it to change the gear lube. about a 3/8 of an inch thick geled up gear lube that will not drain out of the reservoir? And how many times has it smelled like sulfer and or a little like rotten eggs? This is only Mercruiser's gear lube that smells like that. I know you outboard guys do not see this in the gear lube reservoirs so you can't relate but I know you can not tell me you have never smelled that rotten egg smell coming out of a 1 to 3 year old Mercury lower unit drain plug hole. There is a reason why. It oxidizes fairly easy. heat is one of the reasons oil oxidizes and oxidation attacks the base oil causing an increase in viscosity. Thicken the oil as it cools. Increase in orignal viscosity, oil will not flow as good and will increase wear from depletion of additives that oxidation causes. Oxidation can be stable or kept at rest if a strong well balance additive package is blended with a strong base stock. That costs more money to produce.

I have info on Sierra oils that they sent me. Some of this is informative and a few big claims. One thing I did notice is that they state Mercruiser High Performance Gear Lube is not a synthetic lube at all. I might be WRONG but I always thought it never was either. I was going to post that but I knew if I did, I would have been slammed so I'll let Sierra do the talking. Like I said I might be wrong. It won't be the first or last but I will dig. On the back of there bottle it says "Contains mineral oil, antimony, molybdenum". There is nowhere it says synthetic on their bottles except for the price. If anyone wants this info (its 6 pages) I can fax or mail you copies. Leave Info
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It sounds like all you are getting is someone's opinions. Here is a link to a magazine test of several different outboard gear oils and how they compare.

http://bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=1891729&sectionid=308


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I've never run Merc High performance gear lube in any of the differentials of my cars, but after a couple years they all seem to have the same hydrogen sulfide (sulfer) smell when you open them.

You've never opened a third member that smelled? Use what ever oil you will, but I don't think Merc has a patent on that smell.

The previous post had an article from Bass and Walleye Magazine with their tests of lower unit oil. It is well worth the time to read it.
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Believing that your Johnson 140 Four Stroke is a Suzuki 140, why not use the Suzuki Products.
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When all else fails, reach for a bottle of Merc high performance gear lube. It's about the best out there.


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It sounds like all you are getting is someone's opinions. Here is a link to a magazine test of several different outboard gear oils and how they compare.

http://bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=1891729§ionid=308

where's penz so called synth???
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I used to run the OMC Hi Vis and then later the HPF gear oil in my old '88 OMC Cobra, I switched to the Merc High Performance gear lube at the advise of my sterndrive mechanic. He had said that they were seeing less wear in drives that were run on that oil and he maintains and works on a lot of drives each season. 4 seasons of the Merc stuff and so far so good. Plus you can get it anywhere. I'd also check to see what Suzuki recommends for their lower units, if they recommend a generic oil just go by the specs.
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I bought some Pennzoil Marine High Viscosity Lower unit gear lube SAE 80W-90. Will that work?

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I use the brand products in new motors until they are out of warantee--then switch to Pennzoil-- (the first use of Pennzoil, I flush the lower unit with Pennzoil to get rid of the other lubricants. I suspect that either the Suzuki or Evinrude HPF-XR would be the best choice for your engine. Probably more important is the frequent changes, plus checking for water, particulate matter and leaking lower unit seals (avoiding fishing line tangles in the prop!).
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I would definitely not use the Pennzoil. Go to an Evinrude dealer and get the Evinrude HPF-XR . Pennzoil is not bad per se, but gear lube formulation is very much an exercise in compromise between conflicting requirements. Evinrude got it right with HPF XR.
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