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Considering repowering my 99 wellcraft 210 fisherman (cc) and trying to decide what to go with. I'm concerned about the extra weight of a 4 stroke vs a new technology 2 stroke. Not trying to get into brand bashing or 4stroke / 2 stroke debate, but wanted to know if anyone is currently running this boat with a 4 stroke and if they've experienced any problems? My scuppers are pretty much at the water line now. Anybody been there, done that or have any other helpful info?
Save yourself some rigging costs. Go with an Etec 200 H.O. All your existing rigging will work with it. But get the H.O., not the "regular" 200. Bigger block, more torque, MUCH better low end grunt (holeshot).
So how much weight is the 1999 Johnson 150 hp 2-stroke you have today?
Wellcraft 210 Fisherman 1999 specifications below that hopefully can help to give good advice to You.
If You prefer to stay at 150 hp the lightest new 150 hp outboard today is Evinrude E-Tec 150, regular 150 E-Tec or the High Output (H.O.) 150 E-Tec, with weight of 418 lbs / 190 kg. There is also a 175 hp (regular) E-Tec at 418 lbs / 190 kg. If You want to step up to 200 hp E-Tec H.O. weight 503 lbs / 228 kg and regular weight 418 lbs / 190 kg. Weight refer to long shaft (XL shaft slightly more lbs / kg).
I'm leaning towards the etec, but they're a little pricey. I'd like to go with more power too (bought it used, came with the 150), but the wallet may have something to say about it. Would like to step up to 200, but was worried about the extra weight on the HO etec vs the regular 200 . Just wanted to consider all options and consider other motors too. Unfortunately, price will have to play a part in the decision too. Just looking for my best value.
When I was purchasing a new engine for my Mako, I was also concerned about the additional weight of the 4 stroke burying the scuppers. I found out the difference in weight between the two engines and filled a few sand bags to match the weight difference. Throw them over the transom and see if your scuppers are buried.
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I like the sandbag idea. Problem is my current motor is toast. I'd have to get the boat from mechanic, take her to the ramp, float her off, get in everyone's way, throw the bags over, etc. I'm trying to be lazy here. Anyone else. Seems like I remember reading a thread about this a year ago or so, but don't think the guy ever said what he did. Any owners?
I put a Yamaha F200 on the back of my Aquasport 215 which is the exact same hull as the Wellcraft 210 WAC. No problem at all. I think your hull is the same as the Wellcraft 210 WAC isn't it?
I put a Yamaha F200 on the back of my Aquasport 215 which is the exact same hull as the Wellcraft 210 WAC. No problem at all. I think your hull is the same as the Wellcraft 210 WAC isn't it?
WAC? I think he has the WC 210 CCF. I have a 1998 with the 150. I would stay with a 2 stroke for the weight since the water already comes in the deck drain and into the floor boxes.
Someone said get an HO for the hole shot. I've never understood that concept in off shore fishing. A good hole shot just means you lose speed on top end as well as milage and has more to do with the prop. I "thought" about a repower and would have gone etec 175hp or 200HP to salvage the gauges and controls. Nothing against 4 strokes but the weight would be an issue I think.
I had the same boat same year accept with a 200 Johnson Ocean Pro. I weigh about 245 pounds and I could stand on the back next to the motor and water didn't really come in the scuppers. I could also fish with a full live well and 2 guys in the back corners wire line jigging with no water coming in. I think you can take the extra weight of the 4 stroke no problem. If I were to re-power that boat I would go with a 200 or 225 Etec (Save some money on rigging). I'm not sure if you have a T-Top or not but I did with five sided enclosure which I think should be standard issue with that boat. Any way if you have the t-top that boat needs at least a 200hp engine. If I were re-powering I would get a 225.
I would definently go with the etec, there are good 4 strokes out there, but if you are running an older hull..., the 2 stroke DI's are equal, and in some aspects better imo, especially the etecs....the power to weight will help in your situation, same rigging...win win situation.
Hello Bob - I have only used my boat with the heavier engines so I can't really compare to the lighter engines. I got it used with a Mercury 225 EFI on it, when the POS dumped me I put a new Suzuki 225 4-stroke on the back.
If you look at the picture below you will see where my scuppers are on the waterline with the old Mercury 225 (+- 480 lbs) in the first picture and the Suzuki 225 (+- 580 lbs) in the second picture. My scuppers do sit low in the water but the deck is still above water and it does not get wet at all. I could also move the batteries to the center console to move more weight forward but have not decided on this yet.
I hope this picture will give you some idea of what the extra weight will do.
Alright, lots of great help. thanks for the replies. I'm not sure if its the same as the aquasport 215, is that the same hull as the 205 osprey? And those pictures are perfect Bruce, just what I was looking for. With my 150, my scuppers look like yours with the 225 (if not lower, maybe extra weight from ttop), what year is yours? Everyone says save money on rigging, but from looking it looks like zuke 4s would generally be about 1500 cheaper than an etec, which would make the end price about the same, or a least close. I've got nothing against etecs, in fact I like them, and probably will go that route. I'm just checking my options. Also worry a little about possible resale, people seem to lean towards 4s around here.
I had the same boat with 200 johnson.i had water coming in from the scuppers when 2 guys fishing in back of boat.you need to change out the scuppers .you can order new scuppers from wellcraft that have the rubber flapper inside..worked great never had water again....hope this helps
Alright, lots of great help. thanks for the replies. I'm not sure if its the same as the aquasport 215, is that the same hull as the 205 osprey? And those pictures are perfect Bruce, just what I was looking for. With my 150, my scuppers look like yours with the 225 (if not lower, maybe extra weight from ttop), what year is yours? Everyone says save money on rigging, but from looking it looks like zuke 4s would generally be about 1500 cheaper than an etec, which would make the end price about the same, or a least close. I've got nothing against etecs, in fact I like them, and probably will go that route. I'm just checking my options. Also worry a little about possible resale, people seem to lean towards 4s around here.
Bob - mine is a 2000 Aquasport 205 and as you noted it does not have a T-Top. I think there are a lot of variables that affect where your scuppers lie, I have no T-Top and I also have a Delta anchor with 30 ft of chain on the anchor roller way out front. Obviously the best power per weight ratio will be a two stroke and we have heard mostly positive feedback on E-TECs as you have noted. If you do want to go 4-stroke you might also consider the 175 zuki, it may be a good fit. I do think resale will be easier with a 175 or more on the boat, because right or wrong the majority (at least on THT) always want more power.
200HPDI on my 210 Fisherman....in my opinion it was probably the perfect motor for it at the time...but that was before a 225HO E-Tec was available.
I figured the apprx 25HP gained going with a F225 wasn't really going to get me anything, and didn't see why I'd want to give up the 2-stroke power to get a F200....
Just launched my daughters' 1999 AQ205 after replacing original Evinrude 130 with 225 4 stroke. The 225 was "chosen" because a 2003 with less than 600 hours became available from a trusted source. Package included top mount control, digital gauges, key panel, and wire harnesses. Only few hours running at this point, and still in the "sorting out" process, but so far we are very pleased with the results... Presently we are way "under prop'd" boat came with 15-1/4 x 17 which is giving us about 31 mph @ 5000 rpm... Need to research this a little (anybody have some suggestions?) I'm guessing this is a close to 50mph combo when correctly prop'd.
I wouldn't recommend this as a "backyard" DIY. I have access to a well equipped shop and forklift and I still have 80-100 hours in the re-engineering of the electrical system and mounting the engine. The big issue is the 225 weighs about 600#s and the Evinrude a little north of 300#s. To compensate The batteries, charger, switches etc, were all moved to the compartment forward of the console, which necessitated a lot of re-wiring. While Aquasport was a "quality build" for Genmar, apparently they saved a few pennies by not using tinned wire in the harnesses, so many things that "worked" before the conversion began, did not after disturbing them, by pulling new control cables, steering hoses, battery cables, etc thru the tunnel from the transom to the console as result of corroded or broken connections.
While I didn't weigh the batteries and equipment (including the oil reservoir) we removed from the aft compartments, I would estimate we got about 175#s lighter aft. As a result, the boat is balanced not too differently than if it had been equipped as new with optional Evinrude 225. She sits on the water line just a tad lower aft than before.
Still that's one big a** motor back there, and I plan to add a set of small tabs this week, to help her pop out of the hole a little faster... Plus the ability to adjust lateral trim is a nice feature on any small boat.
Absent a "bargain" price on a 225, I think would give the Suzuki 175 a good look. It's lighter and the biggest displacement of any in-line 4 on the market. My daughter got a great bargain, but Dad's labor is free, so you your planning on having a professional rigger do the work, just multiply my time by whatever your local labor rate is...
I will post again after the "sorting" process is complete
Wellcraft 210 / aquasport osprey repower 
