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I am looking at buying a Nautic Star 2110. The three local dealers only offer it with a F150. When I tell them that's not enough hp and I want a 200 on it, all three price it with 200 hpdi.
Never having owned a Yam, and still not sure I want to, I asked one of the salesmen why a hpdi and not a F200. He said I wouldn't have that much performance difference between a F150 and F200, but with a 200 hpdi, there would be a more discernable improvement.
Allright, is this BS, or does he just want to get rid of the hpdi's? Will the performance be that much better? I guess the main question is: is the trade-off for 4-stroke bene's outweighed by the improved performance of hpdi?
Lookin for any/all legit input. If nobody sells me eitherway, I'll drive the 250 damn miles and buy it with a Merc.
id go with the hpdi.. less weight:better performance. according to yamaha's site the f200 weighs 583lbs while the hpdi weighs 475 lbs. more than 100lb weight difference. the f200 would be better on gas though. your call: fuel effeciency vs performance. although the lower weight of the hpdi might compensate for the fuel efficiency. just my two cents.
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it could also be that they have an hpdi laying around the shop and want to get rid of it. Why not jump to the 225 instead? Either way both are great engines. maybe have them price out both 2 and 4 stroke then compare performance based on price and buy something. Also what are you planning on doing with the boat mostly?
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Hi,
Here in Europe they do not sell Yamaha HPDI any more (do not meet environmental regulations here).
You probably will get better resale value with F200 but watch out for the extra weight.
The 4 cyl Mercury Verado 200 hp has weight of 510 lbs/231 kg.
HPDI is a good motor but if you want decent resale get either the F150 or F200, the majority of boat buyers will not even consider 2 strokes, right or wrong this the fact.
I've had Yamaha F115's and F150's then went to a 200 HPDI. I think the HPDI gets better gas mileage by far than either four stroke. The F150's did better than the F115's (same boat so boat weight played in here). As far as four stroke vs the HPDI, I think resale, as mentioned above, and oil are the major things to consider. Changing the oil in a four stroke every 100 hrs is expensive and always comes due at the wrong time (i.e. just before a tournament). Althought the HPDI saves you the hassle of changing the oil (or like some, paying someone to do it) you have to remember to add 2 stroke oil every time you use the boat. Plus, two stroke oil is very expensive and have go thru the logistics to buy it (just something else to remember). I think you'll have less powerhead replacements with the four stroke since it does not mix oil with the gas providing a way for water to get into the piston area. This plus resale considerations kinda makes the four stroke a better choice. But, I do like my HPDI a lot and will probably not go back to a four stroke.
I had the option to buy whatever Yamaha motor I wanted on my 21' and decided on the 200 HPDI...I still think I made the right choice. Ligher weight, better performace...I was comparing it to the F225 though. I believe it was better on gas too.
If I were to do it again, I'd shoot for the 225 Etec, just for the extra horsepower.
Check the Yami performance bulletins on their site. The F200 and F150 perform almost the same, with the F150 actually having better low end in some applications.
I've had Yamaha F115's and F150's then went to a 200 HPDI. I think the HPDI gets better gas mileage by far than either four stroke. The F150's did better than the F115's (same boat so boat weight played in here). As far as four stroke vs the HPDI, I think resale, as mentioned above, and oil are the major things to consider. Changing the oil in a four stroke every 100 hrs is expensive and always comes due at the wrong time (i.e. just before a tournament). Althought the HPDI saves you the hassle of changing the oil (or like some, paying someone to do it) you have to remember to add 2 stroke oil every time you use the boat. Plus, two stroke oil is very expensive and have go thru the logistics to buy it (just something else to remember). I think you'll have less powerhead replacements with the four stroke since it does not mix oil with the gas providing a way for water to get into the piston area. This plus resale considerations kinda makes the four stroke a better choice. But, I do like my HPDI a lot and will probably not go back to a four stroke.
I would have to say that the oil consumption of a 2stroke motor is far more expensive than a 4 stroke. Changing the oil on a 4stroke is pretty straightforward, (it wouldn't stop you from getting on the water) with the most oil you'd be changing would be 6-7 quarts at a time ( a little more than a car ) along with a filter, and that comes on average, twice a year, maybe more with heavy use. It's very nice not having to worry about buying and mixing TCW-3 every time I gas up. If you're not mixing, you're relying on an oil injecition system that I would never trust considering the consequences of that system failing. I would say, if there is a clear advantage to having a 4stroke over a 2stroke, a 4stroke wins in oil consumption, which comes off your $ bottom line. Not to mention all the other advantages to owning a 4 stroke ...
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I just ordered a boat and could have put anything on the transom and went with twin 200 HPDI for reasons mentioned by previous posts.
I see allot about resale being better with a four stroke but I wont even consider one on my transom and there must be other guys out there like this as well.
Twin 200 HPDIS here and love them. Had a four stroke on the last boat but wouldn't trade these fast and pretty economical. The 2stroke oil I can live with. I haven't seen many boats with the 200hpdis take a hit on the market. Almost 800hours....Mark
If you carry a lot of weight and fish in flat waters buy the HPDI. If you normally fish with less than 4 guys and you fish the bay and gulf, you will be happier with the F150.
The 200 HPDI is a great motor and you will see a cruise in the 40 mph range, but the water has to be smooth, the F150 will give you a cruise of 30 mph.
I am looking at buying a Nautic Star 2110. The three local dealers only offer it with a F150. When I tell them that's not enough hp and I want a 200 on it, all three price it with 200 hpdi.
Never having owned a Yam, and still not sure I want to, I asked one of the salesmen why a hpdi and not a F200. He said I wouldn't have that much performance difference between a F150 and F200, but with a 200 hpdi, there would be a more discernable improvement.
Allright, is this BS, or does he just want to get rid of the hpdi's? Will the performance be that much better? I guess the main question is: is the trade-off for 4-stroke bene's outweighed by the improved performance of hpdi?
Lookin for any/all legit input. If nobody sells me eitherway, I'll drive the 250 damn miles and buy it with a Merc.
Thanks!
Because a 200HPDI will run circles around an F200 and F225. Both of those Yam 4 strokes are barely at the NMMA minimum. The F200 is about 180hp at the prop. The F225, just 205 at the prop. The 200HPDI's are in the 215hp range at the props. They won't run with the Etecs or Optimax's, but the 150-200HPDI is the best engines Yam ever built..
Anyone who thinks a 4 stroke will live longer than a 2 stroke is living too much on the internet. Not to mention 4 strokes are throw away engines. Don't believe me?? Get a dealer to price out all the parts you'd need to rebuild a 4 stroke then get back to me... 7k to completely rebuild an F100 with 2700hrs dealer cost and that did not include the gearcase..
not familiar with your boat, but a consideration that may be of importance is the thuough hull fittings such as those for deck drains, transom openings for engine well, etc. the additional weight may put some of these openings below water. i have a 23' center console with twin 200 hp 2 strokes, and this is a problem when replacing engines on this boat.
Marsh Mallowe - 12/14/2008 5:30 PM
...................I would say, if there is a clear advantage to having a 4stroke over a 2stroke, a 4stroke wins in oil consumption, which comes off your $ bottom line. Not to mention all the other advantages to owning a 4 stroke ...
Yam 200 hpdi over F200-why? 
