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Old 04-02-2004, 02:49 PM   #1
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Recently purchased a 255CC Sea Pro with Suzuki DF140s. The dealer says you must run Suzuki Oil during the break in and should continue during the warranty period. What are other Suzuki owners out there using for oil.

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Thats interesting. Is the dealer going to give you the oil? The owners manual doesn't even tell you that. Do a search on 4 stroke motor oil, there are a few threads on this.

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I say BS. The 140 calls for 10W40. Valvoline is going in my two motors. When I get about
200hrs on them I will switch to Valvoline Synthetic 10W40.
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My dealer suggested any good quality 10w40 would be fine for break in and ongoing use.
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Most outboard companies who market their own brand of four stroke oil place additives in their oil that they want their engines to have, so in this case using Suzuki four stroke oil makes good sence. That was the answer Suzuki's National Service Manager gave me when I ask him the question at the Miami Boat Show 2 months ago. He also said any major brand four stroke oil would be acceptable.

I also asked about synthetic oil and his answer was that it was OK at the 200 hour change, but he qualified his answer by saying "while synthetic oil has been proven to be OK in auto engines and we assume it will be Ok in outboard engines, the four strokes are so new the only thing we know for sure is that there are no problems using dino oil."

DMC - why would the dealer give him the oil?

I don't know how much Suzuki oil costs vs Shell, Castrol, Valvoline, or whoevers, but I have learned a few things about four stroke outboard oil filters as I have a Yamaha 100hp four stroke and two Suzuki 250hp four strokes. The Yamaha filter costs $11 at my local Yamaha dealer, while the larger Suzuki filter is $8 at the local Suzuki dealer. When at the Miami Boat Show I also asked the Suzuki guy the oil filter cost question and he said "we choose to price our filters at cost as we don't consider oil filters a profit center."
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The Suzuki oil would do a fine job, if you don't have any problem with price or availability go for it.
Now if you want to run something else. Mobil 1 Super Synthetic in the proper weight, 10w-40 or 10w-30. Now if you are into dinosaur oil, I think Pennsoil has some of the best product going right now. Also some of the other oils you could think about are, Rotella T Full Synthetic 5w-40, Castrol Syntec, and I can hear the laughter, Walmart Super Tech Synthetic.
I think that within certain limits what type of oil you use is not as important as how often it is changed and the engine is serviced. If you plan on changing the oil every fifty or seventyfive hours a cheaper dino oil would work very well. If you are going to go for an extended oil change interval maybe a premium synthetic oil is called for.
Me, I use Mobil 1 SS 10w-30, no additives just oil, change filter and oil at fifty hours. I looked at the Yamaha 4str oil and found that it was something like a SH rated oil. That rating is way old. Also there was an article in Bass and Walleye Boats magazine where they tested 4str oil. Yamaha didn't do to good.
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My dealer doesn't mind making a buck on Johnzuki filters. Last time I was there, picked up 2 at $12 a pop.

Any opinions on this - I thought I might take one of the new filters down to Autozone and start opening similar sized boxes to see if I could find a match. Actually the Johnson part number is on the box, wonder if it crosses to automotive filter?
This is probably a bad idea, would hate to give them a reason to disallow a warranty claim.

Well, thoughts welcome anyway
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If you go the cross-referencing route, make sure you take the original filter with you. I found out the hard way after having somone at Napa cross the Suzuki part number with one of their filters (made by Wix?). It went on but was too tall by about 1/2" an inch or so and the cowling would not go back on. Ended up having locate a suzuki filter in a hurry.
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Any dealer or manufacturer of engines can only secify the grade and chemical components in a lubricant. If they tell you that you have to use lubricants made by them in order for them to honor the warranty then they have to furnish the oil for free.Magnusen Moss Act.




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If you go the cross-referencing route, make sure you take the original filter with you. I found out the hard way after having somone at Napa cross the Suzuki part number with one of their filters (made by Wix?). It went on but was too tall by about 1/2" an inch or so and the cowling would not go back on. Ended up having locate a suzuki filter in a hurry.
The filter that cross references with the 140 DF filter part number is actually the one for the 115. The 140 takes a Fram PH 6607. Use that number when cross referencing.

If I remember correctly;

NAPA- FIL 1365

WIX- 51365
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Thanks TraderVic I'll keep those #'s for future referance.
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Hey Guys
Just got back from my weekly visit to Wally World.

Super Tech Full Synthetic motor oil, $9.50 5qt jug. They had 10w and 5w-30.

I thought it was an excelent value at $2.75 a quart at the new price it is getting down right good. Gonna pick me up a couple a jugs just to say I did.
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I have heard that the Super Tech motor oil is packaged by Penzoil for Walmart. Any body know whether or not this is true.

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Not going to ID the dealer, but when my Suzuki 115 was first serviced, the Service Manager admitted to me that the oil that would go back in was Shell 10w-40. In another service, I saw the empth containers.

My dealer is a Suzuki sales & service.
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Imagine that,..... Shell oil. Hmmm

Thanks for the heads up

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Will be looking at 5 Suz engines 90 to 140 some with over 700 hours, using Penn oil, changed around 200 hour point, Valves never adjusted or checked I think. Will post real hours and details later, boats comming out of water late this month. All 5 engines running great. I did 5 hour ride in one of the boats with 140s Sat.
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Thanx. Good info and a great help. Just got word from the dealer that the rigging starts today.


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I guess one thing to remember: Shell owns Texaco, Texaco owns Penzoil, so I would assume they are all using the same oil??
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