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RE: Engine Info Please - - - CUMMINS 450C Diamond Series
Bill D.-
I stumbled across this site about a year ago, lots of good info and members, especially where outboards are concerned, but there are a quite a few who get off jacking other people's brains out, apparently while posting under multiple screen names. Anonymity apparently helps balls grow where none existed before.
Re: Engine Info Please - - - CUMMINS 450C Diamond Series
Randy, thanks for the name, this forum....guys are scared to post their names for having their heads chopped off, Can't blame them. F08, no name or email for him/her..he/she is a phantom.
Me..up to my eyeballs on the 370 overheat. It is what it is. the 31 Combi is gutted...Good thing over the long haul,,,needed to be cleaned up reorganized etc.
Hopefully when winter breaks...March 1.. I'll get going on putting power back in.
That's where I'm at.
As far as Tony Athen's sbmar.com....honestly...we email....why would he jump in on this forum.....he's a business man and a straight shooter as you know.
But knowing Tony as you do.....I'm thinking he'll figure a way to help diesel folks out here...well...only Tony knows.
Keep an eye on boatdiesel forum.
I will post the repowering/rebuilding of the 31 Blackfin Combi. Folks on bd forum appreciate the info.
Folks on this forum....join bd forum to follow...simple as that.
Wow. Bill, you need to calm down. I don't know what Seaboard's website is, but I've looked at boatdiesel. It seems like a decent forum, and they have a few articles, but for someone looking to find out all the information he can about his diesel engine, an internet forum is just not the place to do it. Do you really think an internet forum is the best place to get information about anything? You need to get a manual and figure out what is going on with your engine in depth. Or you can get a good mechanic, or both. You may disagree with that, but if you do explain why. There is no need for the hysterics.
Why are you on THT??? It's an internet forum - by your reasoning it is a worthless place to get information. I suppose you never ask questions of people who have the same boat/engines that you do.
I purchased a boat with 450c engines last year. I joined Boatdiesel, where I found a wealth of information from owners of the same engines. Tony is an invaluable resource who freely shares his knowledge of engines. He has saved me thousands of dollars already - in less than a year!
So far, I love the engines, they start right up and run strong. Maintainance is fairly easy. I've done my own aftercoolers, changed all my filters and am in the process of changing water pumps and air filter system.
My opinion, Tony Athens Expert" moderator at Boatdiesel has a real looney tunes idea that could cause real problems. The one I refer to is his clear vinyl fuel lines used in his "primer bulb" fuel priming. Only a moron would permanently install them in an inboard engine compartment. I would call it a formula for disaster.
He also "invented" a "fuel filtration" set up that he sells that uses truck filters. Yeah, the kind that do not allow any "see through" filter bowl like a Racor does.
Boatdiesel seems to be heavily oriented towards the person who isn't diesel minded or educated and is willing to pony up $25 for a years subscription to solve his problem with "expert" advice.. Without the $25 fee the site is pretty useless since nothing other than recent posts can be seen. Often the "expert moderator" will suggest researching the past posts about your problem so pony up the $25 yearly fee. It claims to be "independent" but I would say there is a VERY VERY close relationship with Tony Athens, all the products he sells and the $25 fee.
My opinion, Tony Athens Expert" moderator at Boatdiesel has a real looney tunes idea that could cause real problems. The one I refer to is his clear vinyl fuel lines used in his "primer bulb" fuel priming. Only a moron would permanently install them in an inboard engine compartment. I would call it a formula for disaster.
He also "invented" a "fuel filtration" set up that he sells that uses truck filters. Yeah, the kind that do not allow any "see through" filter bowl like a Racor does.
Boatdiesel seems to be heavily oriented towards the person who isn't diesel minded or educated and is willing to pony up $25 for a years subscription to solve his problem with "expert" advice.. Without the $25 fee the site is pretty useless since nothing other than recent posts can be seen. Often the "expert moderator" will suggest researching the past posts about your problem so pony up the $25 yearly fee. It claims to be "independent" but I would say there is a VERY VERY close relationship with Tony Athens, all the products he sells and the $25 fee.
I guess I too will be seen as a SBM salesman, as I use their products and spread the word to those who want the info. I have both the fuel bulb priming system and the spin on filtration system on my current boat. I fitted them on my last boat and was impressed with the functionality, so it was the first thing I did on my new boat. The priming bulb and clear hose is fitted on an isolated line, worst case senario if it ruptures, is 1/2 a cup of diesel in the bilge. There is no simpler, more effective way to prime a fuel system.
If you don't agree with BD, fine don't go there, if you do it is probably the best $25 you can spend.
Not surprised Tony only visited briefly, why would he bother, he is kept busy enough helping people on BD....
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swj obviously does not know the difference between diesel fuel and gasoline.
I learned how to clean my aftercoolers thanks to Tony, it saved me thousands of dollars. I also ordered the AirSep system for about 1/2 the price everyone else was selling it for. I'd say it was the best $25 I have ever spent on boating.
I only wish Tony was on the East Coast so he could service my motors...
swj obviously does not know the difference between diesel fuel and gasoline.
I learned how to clean my aftercoolers thanks to Tony, it saved me thousands of dollars. I also ordered the AirSep system for about 1/2 the price everyone else was selling it for. I'd say it was the best $25 I have ever spent on boating.
I only wish Tony was on the East Coast so he could service my motors...
Please, please back up yout statements and find me ANY manufacturer of clear vinyl tubing that states it is suitable for use with diesel fuel. Then find me some clear vinyl tubing with labeling on it that states it meets any standards such as ABYC or NMMA for use with diesel fuel in a boat's engine compartment. Anyone using a line for diesel fuel without meeting these standards is nuts For an "expert" to say to ignore those standards tells me the guy is no expert, rather a know it all with a big ego willing to put others at risk.
Now are you saying diesel doesn't burn? Tony may have told you how to clean your aftercoolers, saved you thousands and now you worship at the altar of "expert" Tony. Actually you should pay attention to the engineers and organisations that have spent years developing safe fuel system standards and products for boats and comply with their standards. Heard the rednecks last words? They were, "Hey watch this!" Now please, please tell me the difference between gas and diesel that makes using unapproved fuel lines safe.
Part of a safe fuel system also brings into account human error. A very simple mistake can result in "expert" Tony's primer bulb system running the engine during regular operation. That is proof of why it is so very important that all parts of a fuel system are approved for their use.
I guess I too will be seen as a SBM salesman, as I use their products and spread the word to those who want the info. I have both the fuel bulb priming system and the spin on filtration system on my current boat. I fitted them on my last boat and was impressed with the functionality, so it was the first thing I did on my new boat. The priming bulb and clear hose is fitted on an isolated line, worst case senario if it ruptures, is 1/2 a cup of diesel in the bilge. There is no simpler, more effective way to prime a fuel system.
If you don't agree with BD, fine don't go there, if you do it is probably the best $25 you can spend.
Not surprised Tony only visited briefly, why would he bother, he is kept busy enough helping people on BD....
Is your boat insured? Might want to check your policy in reference to using unapproved fuel components. Any clauses there that refer to "negligence"?
Ever hear the term "human error"? Simple oversight can result in your engine operating with the primer bulb with clear vinyl lines supplying your engine fuel during normal operation. Worst case scenario is you forget to reset the valves properly, end up with an engine room fire, burn to the water line and die. Guess you never ever make an "error".
Maybe "expert" Tony can't stand a site where some of his "expert" advise is disputed and questioned? From what I see Boatdiesel depends very heavily on Tony being deemed an absolute expert. People pay their $25 to get his "expert" advice and search past posts.. Anyone debunking his advice could be very bad for the bottom line $$$s of the owners of Boatdiesel.com. The site says "independent" but I don't think so.
Is your boat insured? Might want to check your policy in reference to using unapproved fuel components. Any clauses there that refer to "negligence"?
Ever hear the term "human error"? Simple oversight can result in your engine operating with the primer bulb with clear vinyl lines supplying your engine fuel during normal operation. Worst case scenario is you forget to reset the valves properly, end up with an engine room fire, burn to the water line and die. Guess you never ever make an "error".
Maybe "expert" Tony can't stand a site where some of his "expert" advise is disputed and questioned? From what I see Boatdiesel depends very heavily on Tony being deemed an absolute expert. People pay their $25 to get his "expert" advice and search past posts.. Anyone debunking his advice could be very bad for the bottom line $$$s of the owners of Boatdiesel.com. The site says "independent" but I don't think so.
disclaimer: I am a fan of boatdiesel.com
My Volvos have a very simple and accessible priming pump built in, so I've not been intersted in the priming sytem, for some of the same reasons, more moving parts, more joints, more clamps, etc.
Racors are another story; not a hater, but the twin-head, spin on cartridge set-up, with vac guages on both, is very appealing, and and is bound to deliver a higher flow, with lower vacuum/restriction, under more different conditions, and broader range of fuel qualities, than the typical Racor installation.
you guys gonna keep on beating the horse on this one, actually arguing on one website about using another website?
why doesn't everyone just agree to disagree...that diesel pay site is very helpful, much better than THT when it comes to diesel engine questions...but like every internet site, it must be taken for face value....and if you do not like what Tony has to suggest then simply do not read it
I had problems with my crank case breathers on my cummins, and I fixed it myself and ran it for over 10 years without using a racor setup that tony swears by...who is right and who is wrong??....I also don't have his same views on fuel filtration...and in over 10+ years my factory 2 stage fuel filter set up has been more than fine...
move on and quit bragging about your book libraries
It is clear that swj has issues with Boat Diesel... It is just as clear that he knows everything there is to know about all things boating - after all, he thinks it is stupid to speak to others about problems they have.
you guys gonna keep on beating the horse on this one, actually arguing on one website about using another website?
why doesn't everyone just agree to disagree...that diesel pay site is very helpful, much better than THT when it comes to diesel engine questions...but like every internet site, it must be taken for face value....and if you do not like what Tony has to suggest then simply do not read it
I had problems with my crank case breathers on my cummins, and I fixed it myself and ran it for over 10 years without using a racor setup that tony swears by...who is right and who is wrong??....I also don't have his same views on fuel filtration...and in over 10+ years my factory 2 stage fuel filter set up has been more than fine...
move on and quit bragging about your book libraries
You verfied what I believed about Boatdiesel. It is useful but should also be taken with a kind of buyer beware when it comes to the "expert moderator" pushing products he sells. Some people can't figure out the basic mechanical and operational end of their engines but others such as yourself can and do.
Internet forums are for discussion and naturally there are different opinions. If everyone had the same views internet forums wouldn't exisit. You also wouldn't be expressing your opinion here complaining about me expressing my opinion here.
It is clear that swj has issues with Boat Diesel... It is just as clear that he knows everything there is to know about all things boating - after all, he thinks it is stupid to speak to others about problems they have.
Right you are deedlebops. I do have a problem with Boatdiesel when they give "expert" advice on how to install clear vinyl fuel lines in a boat's engine compartment.
Also you are wrong. I do not think it is stupid to speak to others about problems. That is why I posted about the fuel lines.
Do you have the clear vinyl fuel lines installed in your boat?
RE: Engine Info Please - - - CUMMINS 450C Diamond Series 
