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Old 10-31-2008, 04:30 AM
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Default Panga Marine VS. Andros

Currently looking at a 18' Panga marine. But was wondering how Panga Marine & Andros compare. Quality, Finish, Construction.

18' Panga Marine 70HP Max
18' Andros. 115HP Max

Seems to me that the Andros is built better. Also Pros & Cons in the Panga style hulls. Thanks for the help
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Old 10-31-2008, 04:37 AM
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You need to look up a guy that used to be on this board named Gringo. He was running a blog @ 2gringosblogspot.com or something like that. He had a 22 andros that he used to get around TCI. His boat was destroyed in one of the hurricanes this year, but up until then I think they liked it.
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When looking at boats to replace my boat destroyed in a hurricane I researched a lot of boats. I visited both the Panga and Andros factories and took each boat for a ride. They both make a nice boat and I personally liked the way the Panga Marine 22' ran versus the Andros and I also thought the Panga was a better value. Build quality, IMO it seemed that Panga Marine was building a more no-frills boat and that Andros was trying to build a more up-scale boat but i had some definite concerns with each. At the time [18 months ago] I almost bought the Panga but decided not to and kept looking. I think both companies are making better boats today then they did when I looked at them. I do know that Panga Marine has built a boat or two for the Mote Marine Research facility in Sarasota. Going to the Ft Lauderdale show today and I will check each brand out and post my comments tomorrow, assuming they are there. I don't recall seeing Panga at Miami show last year although Andros was..Unfortunately in reference to the ride all i can say was the days I took each boat for a ride it was blowing like hell and so we stayed in protected waters. IMO the Panga Marine felt more solid while there was some definite vibration going on with the Andros...There are a couple of old posts that talk about the ride, have you tried searching....? Old Gringo i think had a Andros although i think he may now be off the site...


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Old 10-31-2008, 10:01 AM
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I currently own an 18' Panga Marine Skiff that I bought around 6 months ago. Rob McDainel, the owner of the company, sat down with my family and we laid out a custom version of the boat which he manufactured for me. Panga Marine and Andros are next door to each other, and I looked at both boats (not to mention 100 others). I could be mistaken, but I believe the Andros hull is made from a mold purchased from the now defunct Panga.com, who also manufactured Panga-style boats.

Due to a nasty travel schedule, I committed the gravest of boating sins by buying the Skiff without a sea trail. Rob McDaniel was so confident in the boat that he offered to take it back if it didn't fit my needs. He personally delivered the boat to my house, and needless to say, it hasn't left.

The Andros has a liner, whereas the Panga Marine Skiff does not. I was looking for a lightweight, fuel efficient hull that could handle rough water, and one that required little maintenance. With both boats spec'd the way I wanted them, the Andros was around $6K more than my Skiff, not including the difference in engine prices. Mine is powered with a 50HP Yamaha, and cruises in the high 20's with a top speed in the low 30's. I think a 70 would make the boat scary fast, and you can get Yamaha 70HP 2-Strokes now for really good discounts. I have a 15 gallon tank and can run for hours on end on half a tank. The difference in price between a 50HP/70HP and 115HP is substantial, and of course the fuel economy is much worse as well. You might not have the same requirements however.

I had trim tabs installed on the boat, and the rough water performance is incredible for such a light weight hull. Drop the sharp entry into the chop on rough days, or cruise on the running pad on calm days for fuel efficiency. I've already been in some heavy chop with the boat, and I have the utmost of confidence in its seakeeping abilities.

I was originally concerned about a boat without a liner, but the finish of the interior is wonderful. You also gain an incredible amount of open space. I have more workable space in my 18' Skiff than my relatives 21' Aquasport, and the boat is rock solid at rest, despite its somewhat narrow beam. As you can tell, I'm thrilled to death with the boat! If I could make one change, I would probably go with a 70HP instead of the 50HP, just for a little more top end, but with gas prices where they are the 50HP works out for us just fine.

Feel free to e-mail me if you need additional details.
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Default RE: Panga Marine VS. Andros

Just one point—there's a difference between liner tooling (finish) and build quality.

A molded liner gives a nice finished look, and many times is indicative of quality construction underneath. A hand-built deck obviously does not look as finished, but can still done with quality composite materials and also allows for a custom layout. But, whether it's a finished liner or a hand-built deck, they both should be built on a hull and stringer system using quality materials and technique. And from what I've seen and heard, both Andros and Panga Marine build quality hulls.

When it comes to liners, IMO, it is not a question of quality, but more a question of what style you prefer. Kind of like a truck with leather seats and wood trim versus one with a vinyl interior. They both haul your boat just fine.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:25 AM
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When it comes to liners, IMO, it is not a question of quality, but more a question of what style you prefer. Kind of like a truck with leather seats and wood trim versus one with a vinyl interior. They both haul your boat just fine.
Well stated indeed....Boats without liners have had a stigma attached to them over the years, and poor quality seems to be attributed to that design....Of course it can, and I stress the word can, be less costly to manufacture a boat without a liner, which is why many entry level boats do not have them....

There are several design elements that are possible using a liner, such as storage and such, but when you get into smaller boats, space becomes a premium...Before I bought my Panga Marine Skiff, I looked at the Pioneer 186 Cape Islander, and while a beautiful boat, there was simply no room inside due to the liner...The additional space I have in my Skiff is incredible, and if you need additional storage, you can have it designed in to your custom build...

I think of my Skiff as more of a Porsche Cup car, with no A/C, no sunroof, etc...You know, built for a purpose!
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I want one.....how far out are you comfortable going in the 18ft?
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I have hull number 43 which was one of the first 22 marquesas pangas that pangamarine produced. we have been very pleased with the boat. As for the comparison with andros, i con not comment, but what i can say as stated in the post above is that Rob Mcdaniel sticks behind his boats 100%. we had some issues with teh deck up in va and he told us to either bring it down or find a reputable fiberglass guy to fixt the damages. he got in touch with the fiberglass repair guy here and sent photos of the boat in various stages and paid for repairs no questions asked. I do know that the boats are now 100% made here in the US and are now a much better product than 4+- years. ago. We have come across another issue with the boat and upon the first comment to Rob, he picked up the phone and called me first thing in the morning and is eager to make the situation right by whatever means necessary. I think that the manufacturer that stands behind his product as he does goes a long way. I will not go into the current issue, but will post the results that i think will amaze everybody. If i were in the market again for a ne boat i know where i would go without and hesitation.
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I want one.....how far out are you comfortable going in the 18ft?
I have to cross Tampa Bay where ever I go, and it is nasty out there more often than not...The last time we took it out, we had a 20KT breeze against an outgoing tide, which was ugly...Absolutely no problems whatsoever...Now, I wasn't running 30kts, but we were still on plane and not uncomfortable...Oh, and I forgot to mention, despite the low freeboard in the rear, the boat is as dry as can be due to the high, flared bow and reverse chine...

I pick my days offshore in my 30' boat, and I'm just as picky with the 18' Skiff...I'd take the Skiff 50 miles out in the Gulf on the right day...The high, flared bow really tackle rough water...I have to admit, I was a little concerned about the low freeboard initially, but after having running the boat is some nasty seas, my concerns were totally unfounded...Funny thing is, look at some of the new 60' convertibles...They have flared bows 20' from the water, the the cockpit freeboard is almost low enough to climb into from the water!

The key is to pick your days, and when you get caught in poor conditions, operate accordingly and responsibly...
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I currenly own an Andros Backwater 18. I have had the boat since early May 08 and have put almost 110 hrs on it and I love it!!

The boat is equiped with a 60hp yamaha 4-stoke...I get 32-33 mph at WOT and cruise around 27-28 at 5400rpm, buring about 2.1gph (avg). I live in Hernando Beach, Fl which is about 1hr norht of tampa on the Gulf. If you are not familar with the area it is very shallow. We get about 1foot depth per mile out you go. Needless to say a shallow drafting boat is a neccesity if you plan on inshore fishing. It runs super shallow (I frequent scare fishing buddies running in shallow water), handles rough water with ease, and has a dry ride.

I had the boat out 20 miles offshore this past weekend. On Saturday morning we got into steady 3 foot seas with 4 and 5 footers mixed in occasionally and the boat handled it great. We decided to head back in afterfishing for a couple hours, which was about the time the waves were starting to be taller than the poling platform. I was very impressed with how well the boat ran on the ride in. We plowed our way in at about 13 or 14 mph and never took a single wave over the bow. It was not a completely dry ride but I never felt concerned for my safety (it was kinda of fun), there are not many other 18 ft flats boats that I would want to have been driving in that kind of conditions.

As for quality, finish, and constuction there are not shortcuts taken and the boat is top notch in all three areas. The liner is great it makes the boat more vesatile and offers more storage. The finish is great and I really like Andros's custom nonslip. All the hardware on the boat is top quality and one of the most impressive things to me is the attention to detail in the wiring. Under the cosole is so packed that there is not room to place anything else but the wiring is labled well and easy to work on. I think they have done a great job in the consturction of this boat, it has a very solid ride and hanldes waves great.

Again, I love the boat and the only thing I would do different is put the 90hp instead of the 60hp.

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What is the price range of these 18 footers?
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Old 11-06-2008, 07:09 AM
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Link below to Panga Marine's web site, they have pricing on the site on 3 different skiff layouts from $11,900.00 to $17,900.00
http://www.pangamarine.com/skiff_specs.html

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Backwater John that is one sharp looking boat. I called Andros a while back and got some info. One thing I was wondering is it ever hard to see over the bow? With the seat so low and bow so high I was wondering if in some conditions visibility was bad.
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Bikem, Thank you.

I sit on a throw cushion on top of the andros seat cushions so that gives me an extra inch or two. The fiirst several hours of running it took me a little while to get used to the high bow, but now I don't have any issue with the bow. I ran it in some really ruff seas a couple weekends ago and I was having to plow throught the waves, in this case I needed to stand up to see, but I would not have been sitting down in those kinda of condinitons anyway.

The trolling motor creates a bling spot, but I just sit a little toward the starboard side (were I would sit anyway if someone else was riding with me) and that takes care of it.
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What Backwater Jon says about having to sit on an extra cushion to see over the bow or the blind spot created by the trolling motor are the type of issues that should not get past the first prototype boat and exactly why i chose not to buy an Andros Panga. The two issues BJ describes would drive me nuts plus they create a safety issue, not being able to see properly. Maybe i am wrong but these are the type of annoying issues that a top-of-the-line builder would correct in their design immediately. Hell after paying $16K or whatever this boat costs I would think i would not have to bring an extra cushion just to see...
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To be fair to Andros, a high bow is inherent to all pangas. I think proponents would consider that a design feature (not a flaw) that provides a drier ride. There's always a trade-off to get the functionality that you want.

I wouldn't characterize it as a safety issue either. To throw out another car analogy, they make sports cars with small windshields and sedans with big open views. My wife used to have an Eclipse. I hated driving that thing; she loved it. You can bet your *** they wouldn't have put that car on the road if there was a safety issue.
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The blind spot created by the trolling motor is a not huge blind spot that would block another boat. It might be slightly larger than a T-Top pole on a CC. Just big enough to hide a crab trap bouy or something that size. As for the cushions, you are required to have a throw cushion on board by law, so why not sit on it, and I frequently run it with out the andros cushions and just sit on the throw cushion and it does not decrease my visiability. These are not design flaws, they are trade offs you have for increased versatility of the boat. Every boat is a little different. In my opnion I will deal with a little less visiabilty to have a boat that drafts about 6" and that I can run in 3-5 footers.
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Just as a side not....the new 20ft super skiff runs 38 wot and supposedly gets......over 11 mpg?.....even half that is impressive....
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Now I'm looking at Panga style boats - damn nice - thanks for the information - and the wife likes them too - damnit, another loan coming - LOL!
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I was originally sold on the Panga look until I drove one.

The Backwater 18 is really hard to see over the bow. I'm ~6' and sitting down at the helm I had difficulty seeing over the bow. The boat MUST have trim tabs. If you rode with no tabs it would be ridiculous. The bow rises so high.
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