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Old 10-30-2008, 06:38 PM
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Was wondering, a lot of people like wood, some don't. BUT... considering the money.. Price is the main point here, what is the bang for the buck?
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It's the worst riding one!
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sounds to me like , none ride worth a! sh#t ! If they all are rough riding, thinking about going with best built!
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That's a great question - I'd like to know what 'Joe the Plumber' thinks!

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Whalers, seem to have a high resale value.






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What is the question?
Bang for buck in what way?
Lowest initial cost?
Lowest maintenance cost?
Longest usable life?
Highest resale value?
All boats and all building materials are a compromise. Boats have been built from everything you can think of, wood, steel, aluminum, animal skins, bark, plastic, fiberglass. I even had a ride in a boat made of concrete once. All materials have advantages and disadvantages. No material is perfect for every use and every owner. You must decide what is important to you and choose accordingly.
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It's the worst riding one!

well mike,as usual,you're wrong again...the gradys are built pretty poorly...perhaps you would like to see some pictures to prove my point ???
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What is the question?
Bang for buck in what way?
Lowest initial cost?
Lowest maintenance cost?
Longest usable life?
Highest resale value?
All boats and all building materials are a compromise. Boats have been built from everything you can think of, wood, steel, aluminum, animal skins, bark, plastic, fiberglass. I even had a ride in a boat made of concrete once. All materials have advantages and disadvantages. No material is perfect for every use and every owner. You must decide what is important to you and choose accordingly.
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What I mean is what do I spend my money on , And look, I am aware of boat prices these days, anyone can get a great price on a boat, but I guess what I really mean, is with all the great deals out there, what would you buy, I'm serious here . Not trying to start a sh!t storm her, really!

I'm thinking is from 26 to 30'ish walk, wife likes the walk that we have, and, just not big enough. The reason I ask this question is me and my wife just retired, and she's pretty much sure this will be the last boat I buy! just sold my 242 sportcraft with twin zukes 140"s, And I'm telling you that boat is a tank, just small.
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I would spend my money on the best quality, best built boat that does what I need it to do. Screw everyone else and their opinions. It's whatever floats YOUR boat that counts... pun intended. If all you can afford is a lower tier boat, then buy a lower tier boat and be happy you have one. Spend more money having fun on a low cost boat rather than straining yourself with a high priced boat that just sits in the driveway because you can't afford gas due to the high cost of the boat itself. If you can afford to buy an upper tier boat AND enjoy using it, then by all means, buy an upper tier boat. Doesn't really matter anyway, you will be upgrading in a few years anyway... I promise.

If you really don't know which boats are well built, start by looking at prices. The higher priced ones are USUALLY the better products. At the very least, a price comparison will help you shorten the list considerably. Once you do that, identify what style fits your needs, and then you can begin to ask intelligent questions.

Looking at resale values of used boats on this site's sale forum or a site like boattrader is a very good way to start.
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Bayliner for sure
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Bayliner for sure
bayliner with the reliability of that 120 force. let me tell u it doesnt get much better than that.
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It's the worst riding one!

well mike,as usual,you're wrong again...the gradys are built pretty poorly...perhaps you would like to see some pictures to prove my point ???
See now... right away the so-called "professional" has to start sh!t. No one mentioned GW, but he just HAS to bad-mouth them and antagonize people. Then, when someone replies back at him, he'll cry the blues. "I didn't say that"... go back and re-read what I posted... "for the record"... bla-bla-bla.

Same sh!t, different thread.

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Best bang for the buck is the boat with the best resale. No matter how much it costs you up front if you have lost nothing or even gained on the resale it truly would be the best bang for the buck. I tend to think this happens more with boats from small builders where the used market isnt flooded with boats from a particular builder. the fewer amount of boats on the market that a used boat competes with, the better.

For example, when I was looking to have my boat built I spoke to an owner of boat like I had built who just recently sold his 2001 model for more than he paid for when it was new. There were no other comps for him to compete with and the brand is fairly highly desired around here.
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If you want a 30 ish Walk around for fishing 31 Contender Fish Around. Family= Grady White.

Two very different but great boats.

You might also consider a Pursuit 3070 or 3100.
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lastchance3 - 10/31/2008 6:37 AM .....he just HAS to bad-mouth them and antagonize people. Then, when someone replies back at him, he'll cry the blues. .........
He took the bait, hook line and sinker

At one time JAWZ used to contribute to forums. This is all he has to look forward to in life... Pretty pathetic..

I'm done with this thread... From now on my goal is to say just enough in a thread to suck JAWZ in and watch him make a fool of himself............ again.....

So folks, here's JAWZ........................
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He took the bait, hook line and sinker

At one time JAWZ used to contribute to forums. This is all he has to look forward to in life... Pretty pathetic..

I'm done with this thread... From now on my goal is to say just enough in a thread to suck JAWZ in and watch him make a fool of himself............ again.....

So folks, here's JAWZ........................

well mike,i ran with it,didn't i ???
does this mean you would like to see some pictures of how poorly a grady is built ???
i see you visit another forum i frequent,i notice you read everything i post-i'd be willing to bet,more people have learned something from me than you...and this "last chance" guy,are you kidding me,in the red line thread,he claimed he was a woman ??? now here's someone with some serious problems...
here's a question for you guys,and that woman "last chance" too,if you claim a boat is the best built,you would expect that boat to be such,right ??? would you expect that boat to be built with cheap automotive wiring ??? i'll go ahead and answer that,NO...would you expect that boat to hold to ABYC codes ??? again,i'll answer that,YES...then tell me mike and "miss last chance" why is it a grady uses cheap automotive wiring ??? why is it their thru hulls,cockpit scuppers,are below the water line and have no shut offs ???
would you like to see some pictures of more failures to adhere to ABYC codes ???? i got plenty...

almost forgot...

mike you claim to rebuild cranes,right ?? does this mean you,as in you,actually turn a wrench on the cranes,do you weld and fabricate ?? or do you just have the cranes built by others and claim you've done the work ??? tell the truth mike,don't claim something that's not true....
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this backs up my point...
this is a typical 90's grady sailfish...






boat had a fuel leak-not uncommon on any older boat...


these are the fuel tanks...





note the 2x4"s on top of the tanks,the boards with the plywood screwed to them...this is what supports the removable deck hatches...
read ABYC codes,it states a fuel tank shall not support anything-this isn't a direct quote,you can look it up if you doubt me...look at the picturea again,this is what supports the deck hatch,the fuel tanks...clearly against ABYC codes-that's quality huh ??? these are still made the same way,doubt me,if you've got a late model grady,pull the deck and take a look for yourself...let me know what ya find...be sure to look at the scuppers and the water line too-the scuppers are below the water line-by alot too,there's no means to shut them off in the event a hose breaks-AGAINST ABYC CODES...

grady had a problem with the marlins,the hull sides are balsa cored,water intrusion around the thru hulls,this led to delamination and structual problems...again,there's some quality there...


this is what the fuel tanks sit on in that sailfish...pretty bad huh ??? see all the unprotected wood...take a close look at that wood-the plywood,it has voids in the end grain-see it ??/ marine grade plywood has no voids...nice huh ??? trust me,they're still made the same way...again,doubt me,take a look for yourself...


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Boatbuilders aren't required to follow ABYC codes, but there is a federal regulation that they *are* required to follow. I bet they pass it due to some technicality. Here's the regulation. Its pretty clear:

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Manufacturer Requirements

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183.550 - Fuel tanks: Installation

(c) Each fuel tank must not support a deck, bulkhead, or other structural component.

A fuel tank is not permitted to be a structural part of a boat to the extent that it provides support for a deck, bulkhead or other boat structure. To determine whether the intent of this regulation is met, the following question must be answered in the affirmative - Is the deck, bulkhead or other structural component properly supported to function as intended with the fuel tank removed? If the answer is no, the tank is providing support that is not acceptable.

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http://www.uscgboating.org/safety/bo.../183-550-c.htm

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Since you have just retired, it is obvious that you are much smarter than I am. Tell me how to do that, and I will tell you my boat pick!
OK, I will tell you anyway. I would buy Seanile's 31 Bertram if I had a few bucks to do so.

I am sure that you will find the right boat for you and the Mrs.
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