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Old 03-27-2004, 07:04 PM
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Default cosco gas or BJ's gas ???

Has anyone ever fueled their boat with these gases??? The way gas prices is going up I found some cheap rate at these guys pumps but I know nothing about them or who supplies them.. Here's the big question "are all gases created equal or is one brand better than the other?"
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Old 03-27-2004, 08:50 PM
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I have used Costco for a couple years and have never had any problems. I don't know if all gas is the same or not. When I had a two stroke Yamaha I used Ring-Free, the four stroke does not apear to care one way or another.
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We have BJ's here - in the year I belonged, I didn't use any of their gas - NOT because I didn't want to, just wasn't as convenient.

That said, I would think it is FINE - there aren't but so many refineries around, so you can probably bet its a "mix" that's compatible. Other than that, I like to buy from stations that stay BUSY (i.e. the gas gets "rotated" frequently!). There are only about 2-3 stations I use 95% of the time - for the car OR the boat - have never had any "bad gas" problems.

I assume you have OUTboards? Just use the octane recommended by the engine manufacturer - "debates" on this on THT before seem to conclude that THAT is the BEST thing to do. I seem to remember that using a HIGHER octane than recommended can actually HURT the motor, if you do it on a REGULAR basis?

I think at the BEGINNING of each season, some folks mix some HIGHER octane with the "recommended" octane that's in there to help with the "deterioration factor" over the winter. I do this myself - to make my motor "happy"!

Hope this helps a little?

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Old 03-28-2004, 07:46 AM
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LMist, these guys are what we call wh*res in the oil business. They buy from the cheapest source they can on a daily basis. They also enter into supply agreements. Hedge deals.

I still feel its important to buy from a name brand. I just feel the additive packages are worth something. Is there alot of marketing that goes into various brands. Pricing , location, service, appearance , promotion among others, certainly.

Remember one other thing as well alot of stations out there are small businessmen ( franchisees ) They pay rents and have to make a living. I am not saying all service stations are but a good portion. These franchisees have no control on the cost. The oil company sets a cost known as dtw. These franchisees mark the product up to what the market will bear or to a margin they need to survive.

I personally don't feel regular unleaded will reach 2.00 a gallon in most, and I say most parts of the country on the street. At the marinas, however, most don't have a full year of business and a limited clientele, ie. boats not cars. Hence the higher price, where 2.00 a gallon will be seen on a consistant basis.
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:22 AM
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make that 3.00 a gallon on the water..................
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:18 PM
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Good question,

I personally use BJ's gas almost exclusively both for my car and for my boat. I have no problem with wholesalers, there have been plenty of news articles showing that, yes, all gas is the same, comes through the same pipelines from the same refinery, and then some companies put in a few additives. Never could tell the difference between Amoco silver or gold and plain old Sunoco regular as far as performance went in my previous cars, so stopped wasting money on hype.

As for boating use, it's got to be better than marina gas .

Basically, the savings on the gas alone pays for my membership.
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:27 PM
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Agreed - nearly all gas comes through the same pipeline and gets mixed - you are paying for additives....
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Cooker is correct. I just saw an article that OPEC members are violating the restrictions and selling more than their allocation. It seems that some of them realize this price can't be maintained forever and they want to sell as much as they can at this inflated price. If the members keep selling over allocation the price should start to get lower. There was supposed to be a reduction in supply from OPEC effective April 1st. It seems several members are opposing the reduction and even hinting that they will vote to increase production. I think the members are meeting currently.
I agree you should use a major brand. All gas is the same until it gets to the rack (wholesale point). This is where each major brand injects their own formula of cleaners and such. This helps with carbon buildup and such.
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Old 03-29-2004, 09:09 AM
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""I assume you have OUTboards? Just use the octane recommended by the engine manufacturer - "debates" on this on THT before seem to conclude that THAT is the BEST thing to do. I seem to remember that using a HIGHER octane than recommended can actually HURT the motor, if you do it on a REGULAR basis? ""


Negative. You will never hurt your motor with a higher octane rating than the motor requires (you won't help it either). The only thing the octane rating measures is the gasoline's resistance to self detonation from heat and pressure. You will ONLY get an advantage from switching to a higher octane rating if your engine is pinging, dieseling or exhibiting some other sign of pre-detonation.

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Old 03-29-2004, 09:43 AM
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If they sell gas cheaper there, I'll buy it. I don't believe in that protectionist crap. Gasoline is a commodity and should be treated as such. They buy from each other on occasion and most differneces are regional rather than brand based.

I buy from whoever sells it the cheapest, so if you want my business, just sell gas cheaper than everyone else. If more people did that, Mobil couldn't get away with charging .12 more per gallon than some of the mom & pop places. As long as some people assume that paying more means it is better, someone will always be willing to charge you more.


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Jobowlker, you are correct there are exchanges put into place.However when you shop at a major, Mobil, Shell, Exxon, BP, etc. you get a ultra clean modern facility, generally located in the most conveinent and best spots. There are exceptions. The credit card is also a huge source of loyalty for the majors. Women take the cleanliness, convienance and safety aspects very seriously. Look at the speedpass, itgets you in and out or pay at the pump, people will literally not do business at your site in some cases without it. As supply gets tighter the unbranded lose there pricing advantage first.

I for one will tell you Mobil will never lose their market share in the northeast, they just dominate like no other company I have seen. I have seen market share projections for them in the northeast and they just do a phenominal job. People like yourself will always shop for price and that is okay, but when all you do with a business is price and offer nothing else then you will lose eventually, look at K-Mart. Bradleys, etc. Look at Americans losing their jobs, to overseas. Wal mart predominately makes everything overseas cheaper. Americans want good paying jobs but yet will shop at Walmart for alot of things. It seems we only care when it directly effects us. Lose your job and China, India and all other countries be damned. But to get back to the point gas is cheaper today than it was in the 70's and 80's when you take inflation into account. If you take that the yearly driving average of a American is 20, 000 miles a year 35.00 dollars a month it going to kill anyone. Do I like high gas prices, no but put the blame where blame goes to States mismanging their money and raising taxes on fuels, no refineries put on line since 1976, not allowing drilling to go on in a responsible way. Just my thoughts and I apologize for rambling on.
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Old 03-29-2004, 04:04 PM
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We had a station near us (I believe they were Exxon .... but won't swear to it), that when the Rep from the corporation stopped by, he was upset because he was selling gas too low. They told him that if he didn't raise his prices, they weren't going to sell him gas any more. WTF .... isn't that price fixing at it's best ?

He now sells another brand.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but since there is no manner of fixing liability for "bad" gas received at the pump, where does the extra .12 cents charged by the "Big Boys" go?????? Thier pockets should be full by now...... I CLEARLY understand the aspect of the nicer stations and thier appeal to the females that frequent them, and if it costs .12 cents for my wife to fill up at a well lit, clean, easily accessible station then I'll pay, for myself, NOT......... As for the Mom and Pop stores, I live in a smallish town and probably have some "small town attitudes" BUT I give every opportunity to my local merchants when a purchase is needed. Remember the small little hardware store that was 3 blocks from where you grew up as a kid that is now either a damned Wal Mart or Target or Kmart or some other mart and you don't know a soul there, and the employees only know where the time clock is located??????
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