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Old 10-27-2008, 06:04 PM
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Just got a 2008 240 Bay Scout with a Yamaha 250 4stroke and I've got to say I love the boat. Its performance and smooth ride is what sold me on the sea trial. However one thing really catches my attention that I didn't notice on the trial. When fishing yesterday with my dad (we're both about 200lbs) the aft deck would fill with water. Now I'm not talking about a little puddle, I mean at times there were 5inches of standing water (release and starboard aft wells full of water and threadfins), the scupper drains were well below the water line, water simply pouring in. the scuppers have cheap rubber flaps on the outside but I imagine that they only slow flow of water that is going to come in. the dealer says to keep the plugs in but this seems bothersome and dangerous (at times) plus the fact that the release well spills over right there too. Now this isn't so bad in SWFL summers (could be nice) but what about when it gets rather nippy out there. Is the boat designed to have this occur? With the wells full, 3/4 gas, and nobody on board there is still about an inch of water on the deck. I think that the weight of the motor is the reason for this because of the weight of four strokes as compared to two. Supposedly the Scout rep. is meeting with the dealer to address the issue and look the boat over. Has anyone else experienced this with a 240 bay scout? Any comments or advice is welcomed.
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I experienced that on a 242 Scout Sportfish. It is just a really bad design.
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If you have 5" of water on the deck of the boat and it's not leaving, you have a serious safety issue there. 5" of water over 8' beam and 4' forward from transom is close to 800# of water that could decide to all move where you and your dad are. You need to correct this.

If you have that much water in the boat is there a ton of water in the bilge? Are you sure you have a boat that won't flood from a wave boarding aft? That killed 3 guys in my home waters this spring, cold water, steep chop, flooded from transom and flipped.
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I have the 2004, 240 Bay Scout, and my first time out, it did the same thing. I had the plugs in the box, but not in the drains. I had 4 people in the boat and it constantly had 3-4 inches of water in the boat. Since then, I have constantly used the plugs and absolutely no problem. I bought the boat last Sepetember, been out 15-16 times and love the boat. Smooth ride, handles well and fishes comfortable here in South La. For some reason, it did not have the auto bilge so we added the toggle float switch and have absolutely no problem. Let me know what the dealer says...interested.

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From Bay Boats web site they only recomend 200/225 hp. engine on these boats. Which when you put the 250 hp on it. You added another 17 pounds onto the transom. How does the boat sit in the water with no one on it ?
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If you have 5" of water on the deck of the boat and it's not leaving, you have a serious safety issue there. 5" of water over 8' beam and 4' forward from transom is close to 800# of water that could decide to all move where you and your dad are. You need to correct this.

If you have that much water in the boat is there a ton of water in the bilge? Are you sure you have a boat that won't flood from a wave boarding aft? That killed 3 guys in my home waters this spring, cold water, steep chop, flooded from transom and flipped.
I agree safety is my biggest concern. The water will drain (slightly) when changing positions on board (1 person on bow), but will never fully drain until on plane. When more people are on board I can't even imagine how low the scuppers will dip.

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I have the 2004, 240 Bay Scout, and my first time out, it did the same thing. I had the plugs in the box, but not in the drains. I had 4 people in the boat and it constantly had 3-4 inches of water in the boat. Since then, I have constantly used the plugs and absolutely no problem. I bought the boat last September, been out 15-16 times and love the boat. Smooth ride, handles well and fishes comfortable here in South La. For some reason, it did not have the auto bilge so we added the toggle float switch and have absolutely no problem. Let me know what the dealer says...interested.

Thanks and good luck.
I agree the boat is an amazing performer. I still haven't put tabs on it, but it tracks and handles the chop great. I guess I will just have to get used to using the plugs in those drains. But there has gotta be a way to keep the deck dry. Does your live well leak at all onto the deck (not much just when running mainly)? I've heard of some guys putting drains in themselves that go directly into the bilge (seems illogical to me - what if you anchor overnight with bait and a storm fills the boat full of water hull and all). I've been thinking of fitting it with a reservoir/pump in the bilge that would allow the water that spills from the release well onto the deck to fill a reservoir and then pump overboard (like in a bigger boat's shower) when it got full. This way I could keep the plugs in the scuppers and put drains in the deck that allow any water that does spill from the live well to drain off the deck safely.

For 60k you think they would have figured this out by now. Makes that 24 Yellowfin look awfully tempting.http://www.thehulltruth.com/images/e...s/rolleyes.gif
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From Bay Boats web site they only recommend 200/225 hp. engine on these boats. Which when you put the 250 hp on it. You added another 17 pounds onto the transom. How does the boat sit in the water with no one on it ?
With the wells empty it sits pretty nice, but once you fill the well then it is definitely bow up. Should I move the batteries maybe?
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:44 PM
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I would suggest moving the batteries forward to prevent them getting immersed in water andnot so much for the weight eventhough that will help a little. Key West boats remedied a similar prob with their 18' cc with the fancier scupper drains that use a ping pong looking ball to prevent backflow through the scuppers. I know this has been a problem with other bay boats and smaller CCs with the advent of large four strokes so you're not alone.
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Man that would piss me off.... Safe or not, standing in water while in a boat is simply not acceptable. If all else fails go the ping pong ball scupper route, works for the Pathfinder guys.
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My 1994 17' Scout has the same problem. You would have thought Scout had solved this problem. I replaced the rubber flaps with the clear scuppers that have the ping pong ball in them and they work most of the time.

Good luck and let us know what happens.
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The deck drains through a hose correct? You can put inline scuppers that should cut down on alot of that.


otherwise forget the dealer and bring the boat to a good local glass shop or someone who is good at rigging boats, im sure they can come up with something better then what you have.

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Well Mrs Lincoln, other than that unfortunate gunshot that Mr. Booth hit your husband with, how did you enjoy the play?
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Most of the Scout models were designed for 2-strokes on the transom, and the 17 lb difference between a 250 4-stroke and 225 4-stroke is not a factor. What IS a factor is the +/- 100 weight difference between a 2 and 4 stroke on the transom.
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Most of the Scout models were designed for 2-strokes on the transom, and the 17 lb difference between a 250 4-stroke and 225 4-stroke is not a factor. What IS a factor is the +/- 100 weight difference between a 2 and 4 stroke on the transom.
That is what Scout is keeping quiet, they know that they were just too lazy to adjust the hull for the advent of 4-stroke outboards. It'll be interesting to see what the factory does to accommodate and remedy my situation. Is the 2009 the same hull?
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Default Re: 240 Bay Scout - scupper drains below water line...

If there are drain lines, try the in-line check valves, called GUZZLERS. That should keep the water out but let the deck drain if if it's going to at all. Good luck.
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if you have the room install these for now, simple as cutting the hose and installing this inline.
If you have the room and hose that is. They are cheap and will at least get your boat better then it is for now.

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The deck drains through a hose correct? You can put inline scuppers that should cut down on alot of that.


otherwise forget the dealer and bring the boat to a good local glass shop or someone who is good at rigging boats, im sure they can come up with something better then what you have.
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If there are drain lines, try the in-line check valves, called GUZZLERS. That should keep the water out but let the deck drain if if it's going to at all. Good luck.
The drains are on the sides and are only the length the of the hull's thickness. It looks to be about a 3" diameter, stainless all the way through. so they're probably about 4" long.




*The scupper where the yellow arrow is would be at least an inch under with the weight distribution pictured, 2-3" with full gas and live bait.

The weight of the motor just disproportionately changes the entire physics of the boat in the water. I'm not to accept having scuppers below the waterline. I read somewhere that "a scupper below the waterline is no scupper at all, it is simply a thruhullhole."

I will keep everyone posted.



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boats have been made for many years that have drains below waterline, even before 4 strokes were being used, its just one of those things you have to deal with when you have a deck that is below waterline.

the last 2 scouts I had here had drains out the back, there was a cockpit drain aft by the seats that went through a hose and out the transom with some fittings with rubber flaps on them.

moving the batteries would help, but with the drains being so far forward I dont think it will eliminate it. You might have to do a combination of things- maybe try putting some weight as far forward as possible to see if it helps.
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You need to take that boat back to Scout. It won't be the first one they had to take care of under warranty.
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I just don't get it.....Scout has had this problem for years and they don't fix the design? My 260 Abaco did this, along with just about every other Abaco made.
C'mon, Scout.....get with the program and fix this design flaw.
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