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Old 10-17-2008, 04:01 PM
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I am considering purchasing a used CC catamaran and have been doing some research. I am looking for the most economical used catamaran on the market for around $25K. I am leaning towards a used sea cat, but from what I am reading the hull design changed in 1997. Which hull is more fuel efficient. Is the sport cat the same hull as the sea cat? If so, which hull is it (pre or post 97' sea cat). And where does Leader Cat fall into this mix?

I am considering a 2000 sport cat (with twin 150 optimax) because of the choppy 2-3' seas in the Gulf of Mexico. I would like to keep the fuel consumption between 3-4 mpg, if possible.
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What length?
Cabin or open fisherman?
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Caravel is the best small cat.
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Prowlers are the best larger cats.
Both are top of the line but not
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The WC is a semi-planing hull that is more fuel efficient.
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22-26' center console

I am going to have a hard time finding a used WC for arond $25K!
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The most efficient cat will be one full planing hull ,but it will not be as comfortable riding as a displacement hull WC is semi displacement hull ,not really the most economical ,nor is glacier bay GB is the softest riding hull but the most expensive to run. You are going to have to compromise between efficiency and ride comfort . Twin Vee might be more within your budget, or maybe a Sea Cat. The TV is lighter and should be more fuel efficient.
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Is the 25' sport cat (made by sport craft) the same hull as the sea cat? If so, which hull is it (pre or post 97' sea cat). Is Leader Cat a Sea Cat hull as well?

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You should look for an "original" SeaCat SL5. The 25' SportCat shares this same hull (SportCat bought the old SeaCat molds). I put in a lot of time on an SL5, and while it does have some handling quirks (like other cats), it is a solid hull. You should not have a problem finding one for under $25K in this market. Even though the SportCat is the same hull, I would stick with the SeaCat as the build quality is better. The original SeaCats were built by North American Fiberglass, the same people who built Sea Ox boats for years and years - those boats have a heavy lay-up, which is a good thing in terms of longevity.

The current SeaCat is a completely different animal. Their 22' hull is from the same mold as the 22' Leader. I think the Leader hull was based on the original 21' (SL1) SeaCat hull. I would steer clear of the Leaders; I've heard first-hand of some structural issues. The new SeaCats are better, but I doubt you will find one for under $25K (although there are some deals right now).
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There's a seacat 22 for sale in fort myers for 28500 with twin 140's with minimal hrs, and I think the engines have some ext warr left on them. No trailer incl. It's listed on the ablboats.com website. I've ridden in the prowler and the seacat..........both are planing hulls and will get the mpg you want, prowler is meticulously built, but costs alot more. For me to splatter fish guts all over, the seacat was nice enough. I'd like to see higher freeboard/gunnels on the prower 24'; For that used seacat vs a new prowler, you could buy 3 used seacats and have change left over. One guy in sebastian, Rick, a THT member has his 24 prowler for sale, but I do not know the asking price..........seacat is smaller than the prowler and will do 30 mph at 3700 rpm, 8.5 gal/hr with twin zuke 115's.........netting you over 3mpg. Prowler's extra 2' LOA will not be quite as peppy with 115's as the seacat, but will also get over 3mpg and is more than adequate IMHO.
You can't go wrong with either.........both nice, just depends on how much you want to spend. Good luck with your decison.
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The most efficient cat will be one full planing hull ,but it will not be as comfortable riding as a displacement hull WC is semi displacement hull ,not really the most economical ,nor is glacier bay GB is the softest riding hull but the most expensive to run. You are going to have to compromise between efficiency and ride comfort . Twin Vee might be more within your budget, or maybe a Sea Cat. The TV is lighter and should be more fuel efficient.
To add to that, different cat hull designs (planing, semi-displacement, displacement) will offer different handling characteristics in different seas.

I own a C-Dory Tomcat (planing hull) and it offers advantages over and disadvantages to the other hull types referenced as with all boats.

I've never come across a cat in my travels in the price range you are looking for but I have never researched some of the brands you mentioned.
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Will a 23' planing catamaran have as rough of a ride as a monohull with a 20 degree deadrise? WC has the 226SF which gets insane fuel economy (according to Yamaha performance reports http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/p...0155-WCC-Z.pdf), but I don't want to get beat to death either.

Thanks for your input...keep it coming.
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My first cat was a manta cat light weight hard cat you might be able to find a used one with newer power in your price range wood free
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jeremyj, be careful with that test data, 31.8 mph burning 10.8 gph does not equal 5.9 MPG, it would be closer to 3 mpg
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jeremyj, be careful with that test data, 31.8 mph burning 10.8 gph does not equal 5.9 MPG, it would be closer to 3 mpg
I overlooked that. I have been looking over a lot of performance data and missed that. That kind of falls in range of the typical Sea Cat, World Cat fuel economy.

Thanks for pointing that out.
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Any semi displacement hull such as WC will use more fuel than a comparable planing hull ,with a planing hull you have less friction , less area in direct contact with the water ,if you want economy ,look into a full planing hull . You are moving more water with a semi displacement hull , and do not belive those tests they do not reflect real every day conditions.
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Don builds and built the old seacat, the sportcat and the new sea cat, so I would go with the newest hull you can find that fits your budget.

The old seacats with wood are getting old. They went from planning to rounded bottoms in 95.
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Will a 23' planing catamaran have as rough of a ride as a monohull with a 20 degree deadrise? WC has the 226SF which gets insane fuel economy (according to Yamaha performance reports http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/p...0155-WCC-Z.pdf), but I don't want to get beat to death either.

Thanks for your input...keep it coming.
The monohull will pound more than the cat. When you are on plane with the benefit of the wind cushion through the tunnel you will be amazed at the ride. If the seas and or your driving (bow angle, speed, direction into seas, etc.) collapse the wind tunnel you will feel a slam.

With my cat you need to be on plane to get the wind tunnel. The ride is absolutely amazing and simply a pleasure in seas that would have you pounding in a monohull.

If at all possible, test drive your boat of interest in the seas you typically cruise. I know this is usually not possible.
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You can get a new caracal for 25K...suzi 140 and would run around just fine in the Gulf on most days....4 mpg...plenty of fishing room..well built...if I could move my 26ft TV...I'd get one in a second....Mick
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You can get a new caracal for 25K...suzi 140 and would run around just fine in the Gulf on most days....4 mpg...plenty of fishing room..well built...if I could move my 26ft TV...I'd get one in a second....Mick
If the 180 twin (21' LOA) was $25K, I would consider it. As far as the 18' model goes, I'm not that comfortable going off shore in a boat that size.
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The caracal 18 acts more like a 21-22ft boat out in the big water....plenty of fishing room, guys around here take them out 20-50 miles on a regular basis....hard to find a twin engine anything that gets more than 2.5 real mpg....you won't get 3-4mpg with twin 150 opti's....there is a charter guy here running an older seacat 21 with twin honda 50's...he runs out 30-50 miles alot....claims he gets 4-5 mpg....that's 8-10 mpg each....not sure I believe it....I run my 26 ft twin vee out 30-50 with twin suzi 115's..very easy cruise...2.5 real mpg....still..I'd check out the caracal....good luck..Mick
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