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Old 10-03-2008, 11:16 AM
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and it's not good news. Their recent year-end audit by an independant party disclosed a Going Concern notice for the company's ability to remain in business.

The link is here: http://www.b2i.us/View.asp?b=1196&ID=57836&I=221200They cite poor economic conditions in the marine industry as well as higher than expected expenses in bringing the Baja line up and running among other things. Youcan bash Reggie all you want (so easy a caveman could do it) but I think it's sad that an industry icon like Fountain has a hard time staying in business these days. If things don't improve, the next six months to a year could seesome big names in the marine industryeither being sold or shutting down for good. ButI also wouldn't be surprised if Reggie is able to pull a rabbit out of a hat and save the deal once it's all said and done--maybe take the company private, maybe get an influx of capital from an outside source, who knows.
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I mentioned this in Homesites thread and hope for the sake of the guys building boats there that they have jobs when all is said and done. I am not a big fan of Fountain managment but too many Americans are losing their jobs to wish ill on any domestic company.







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I think the outlook is pretty challenging right now....We have yet to see the bottom of the housing market, and we've certainly not seen the worst of our economic woes....Interestinly, larger vessel sales are evidently not terrible, but then again, someone that can afford a $1MM boat isn't impacted by gyrations in the economy...Small boat builders are likely in for an economic storm...
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I think the outlook is pretty challenging right now....We have yet to see the bottom of the housing market, and we've certainly not seen the worst of our economic woes....Interestinly, larger vessel sales are evidently not terrible, but then again, someone that can afford a $1MM boat isn't impacted by gyrations in the economy...Small boat builders are likely in for an economic storm...
Larger vessels are going over seas. The dollar value is low. Wealthy foreigners are looking at these boats like they are on sale due to the exhange rates.
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Not to mention the precarious state of disposable income (i.e boats) should the polls be correct about the incoming administration. Nevertheless, sad news about Fountain, guess I'll have to hang on to my 31. As for Baja, I could never figure, the overlap of powerboat models made little sense.
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I am not a big fan of Fountain managment





Trust me...everyone on this board knows you are not a big fountain fan. You have pestered every fountain thread in the past year on every forum I know of. Give it a rest dude. There are many happy fountain owners out there who wouldn't own anything else...just cause you aren't happy with yours doesn't mean you have to bad mouth them EVERY TIME fountain is mentioned
When I see a fountain thread and your name on it...I don't even have to read it anymore to know what is said
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In Demeanor's defense, I expected a bit more slamming from him on this--I respect his thoughts on Fountain being able to stay in business in some tough economic times. I also don't agree with a lot of the decisions made by the management at FPB, just as his minor problem could have been easily taken care of by the warranty department.

One thing to remember is that FPB is a publicly traded company, whose records of profit and losses are public information. It would be interesting if Yellowfin, Intrepid, Invincible et al were also forced to divulge their year-end numbers to an independant auditor...

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Bigtuna, I dont say anything that isnt true and I hope the things I have brought up about the issue helps the next guy out. I have recieved more than one PM from a members here thanking me for bringing the issue to their attention. Heres a copy of one of them. If helping this guy out means I have annoyed you, then so be it. I chose not to post my entire saga with Fountain after the World Cat thread. I see no point in hurting the guy on the assembly line because of the decisions made by guys like Sanborn.

"I want to thank you. I checked my scubbers this weekend and sure enough they were not sealed behind the the tube. Just bare wood that was damp. I was able to dry it out and seal it up properly before there was a problem. This is only the second season this boat has been in the water even though its a 2003 model so because of you I was able to fix before I had a real problem. Still wondering what prop you ended up with?"

I will not post the screen name unless he wishes to read this and do that himself.

These companies are going to learn the hard way that customer service may be the only thing that saves them in the end. Yellowfin has a waiting list for boats and ask any owner about the level of customer service they provide.

Best of luck to all who have a vested interest.
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...too many Americans are losing their jobs to wish ill on any domestic company.
I can't agree with this enough. No matter how painful it is sometimes to buy American (or expensive) I always do. I'm buying another vehicle tomorrow, American. There are tons of better foreign made cars but I want to keep what devalued dollars this country has, in this country!

Fountain is a go-fast icon. I'd love to have one but even I can't rationalize (not afford) blowing close to a thousand of dollars of fuel an hour at a poker run. Would I love to, absolutely. Is it sensible at the current time in the economy, absolutely NOT. I don't care who you are, a 47 ft missile cruising at over 100 mph is not only cool but one of the awesome feats of man. Boats are pretty sexy too. It's like the muscle cars of the 60's & 70's - good for nothing but 100% American in not only construction but attitude & meaning.

I hope we can crawl ourselves out of this hole and back to that "in your face" American style we have stood for forever. If we can lay off the creative accounting for a decade or 2 we just might get back there - to not only a world super power but also an economic super power.

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Maybe Baja may save Reggie. The got from Brunswick all molds and designs for free. Well actually not free, the issued a $4 million note that will be canceled if they comply with certain terms of an engine purchase agreement. They need to purchase Mercury engines exclusively for probably 20 years and Reggie agreed to continue tinting his hair Mercury black. Neither requirement seems to difficult to meet.
Seriously, Fountain is a very important client for the the Mercury brand, even if the volume may not be that great. A Fountain add sell more Mercs than any Brunswick add. So, I hope that Brunswick (still cash plentiful) realizes that and give Reggie and other loyal brands a hand duriing these hard times.
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Maybe Baja may save Reggie. The got from Brunswick all molds and designs for free. Well actually not free, the issued a $4 million note that will be canceled if they comply with certain terms of an engine purchase agreement. They need to purchase Mercury engines exclusively for probably 20 years and Reggie agreed to continue tinting his hair Mercury black. Neither requirement seems to difficult to meet.
Seriously, Fountain is a very important client for the the Mercury brand, even if the volume may not be that great. A Fountain add sell more Mercs than any Brunswick add. So, I hope that Brunswick (still cash plentiful) realizes that and give Reggie and other loyal brands a hand duriing these hard times.
It was my understanding that Fountain had a purchase agreement when Brunswick was holding their debt but that is all gone now. Brunswick sold the debt so they "could" use any engine manufacturer.
There was a post the other day that appeared to be an ad by a Fountain dealer. Upon closer look. it appears that Fountain has set up factory direct sales. I am not sure but it sure looks that way and I will even plug them with a link: http://www.fdfss.com/contact.htm
The contact info there is for Wyatt Fountain in FPB's back yard. I woudlnt be too happy about that if I was a Fountain dealer sitting on inventory. Maybe Homesite can elaborate since he is in the process of dropping some big coin with Fountain and may have know if he cares to share. If they would cut out thier own dealers, I doubt if they would have a problem cutting out Brunswick and powering with another manufacturer if the money was right.

One last thing....I love my boat. The design, layout, ride, etc. exceed my expectations. My problem was really with one person who conducted business in a very unprofessional way. His "demeanor" was rude and condescending at best. He took what was business and appeared to make it a personal issue. It reflects poorly on the company as a whole.
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The Fountain Direct Superstore covers the territory basically vacated by Bluewater Yacht Sales a while back--from VA to SC and inland. The FDSS is supposed to operate just like another dealer, just that Wyatt F. is running the show out of little Washington.

I'm certain that Homesite is getting the baddest boat on the block, and in fact they should run that boat in the Kilo Run before it leaves NC just to see how fast it really is. Might be the fastest Fountain center console built yet? Guess y'all know the record's 85-something, in a Fountain.

That's what kills me...everyone keeps saying how fast their boat is. Do a Kilo Run with the APBA running the radar and call it good. You can say, yeah we're faster in the ocean, whatever. Run a timed radar course and see what happens.

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I always find it helpful to read a company's regulatory filings to determine it's financial health as opposed to relying on rumors and innuendos made on internet forums. It looks like Fountain has taken very significant measures to adjust it's expenses in the last fiscal year.

Here is a section of the 10k the company posted a few days ago.

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Outlook

The fiberglass recreational boat market decline has continued through the retail buying season of 2008. Generally, marine dealer inventories remain high and retail sales are low, thus dealers may be cautious about increasing their inventories during the off season months. Market analysts are forecasting that the industry may not see a significant improvement through 2009.

The Company's Sales and Marketing staffs will continue a targeted boat show, advertising and promotion campaign and increase its internet marketing program for the Fountain and Baja product lines.



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The Company is developing production processes for the Baja boat models to be compatible with the Fountain production processes, and it expects to have most of the models in full production in the second quarter of Fiscal 2009. Baja dealer inventories are being depleted and they are ready to receive the Baja by Fountain products.
The Company's retail subsidiary, Fountain Dealers' Factory Superstore, Inc., had a very successful first year of operation in Fiscal 2008 with approximately $9 million in sales, and is expected to be a positive contributor of revenue in 2009.

International sales grew in Fiscal 2008 by 28% and was 17% of total sales for the Company. The international market has continued to grow while the domestic market has been in a decline. The Company expects international sales to be a positive source of revenue in 2009.

The Company's fiscal plan for 2009 is based on revenue of $62 million to $65 million. Cost and expense reduction programs have been implemented to produce positive results at that level of revenue.

Results of Operations.

Net sales for Fiscal 2008 were $68,202,620, approximately the same revenue as compared to net sales of $68,829,987 for Fiscal 2007. Maintaining the same revenue level during a declining market was primarily the result of focused sales activities and promotions guided by specific goals and objectives.

Net Sales by product line for the Fiscal years of 2008, 2007 and 2006 are:


Fiscal 2008 % of Fiscal 2007 % of Fiscal 2006 % of
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Sport boats $ 25,086,667 37 % $ 28,055,276 40 % $ 31,799,204 40 %
Express cruisers 11,457,756 17 % 9,399,064 14 % 15,760,240 20 %
Sport fishing boats 28,169,615 41 % 29,629,864 43 % 29,194,785 37 %
Other 3,488,582 5 % 1,745,783 3 % 2,471,995 3 %

Net sales total $ 68,202,620 $ 68,829,987 $ 79,226,224




Gross profit on sales for Fiscal 2008 was $9,402,572, 13.8 % of net sales, as compared to $9,108,088, 13.2 % of net sales, for Fiscal 2007. Gross profit for Fiscal 2006 was $13,073,800, 16.5 % of net sales. Production efficiency improvements in Fiscal 2008 were partially offset by increased material costs and low fixed cost absorption. The decrease of 3.3 percentage points from 2006 to 2007 was primarily attributable to production inefficiencies due to lower production volumes, reduced fixed cost absorption from production cuts and promotional program pricing in the first half of the year.

Operating loss was ($1,101,310) for Fiscal 2008, as compared to a loss of ($2,745,878) in Fiscal 2007 and a profit of $2,275,355 in Fiscal 2006. The operating loss for Fiscal 2008 was an improvement of ($1,644,568), or 60 percent, as compared to Fiscal 2007, and the improvement was primarily the result of reduced selling expense. Operating loss for Fiscal 2007 was affected by the circumstances outlined above in the gross margin discussion of this report and increased selling expenses, detailed below.

Net loss in Fiscal 2008 for the Company was ($2,199,828), or ($.48) per share as compared to a net loss of ($5,046,286) or ($1.05) per share for Fiscal 2007, of which ($1,283,728) or ($.27) per share was a tax adjustment. This compares to a net income of $2,404,912 or $.49 per diluted share for Fiscal 2006. The tax adjustment for Fiscal 2007 arose from the establishment of a valuation allowance to completely offset the Company's Deferred Tax Assets which was established in Fiscal 2006 (see Note 7 to the consolidated financial statements).

Depreciation expense was $2,406,502 for Fiscal 2008, $2,313,807 for Fiscal 2007, and $2,020,860 for Fiscal 2006.

Overall selling and general and administrative expense for Fiscal 2008 was $10,503,882, a $1,350,084 reduction when compared to $11,853,966 for Fiscal 2007. Fiscal 2007 was a $1,055,520 increase from $10,798,445 in Fiscal 2006.

Selling expenses were $6,704,422 for Fiscal 2008, $8,040,083 for Fiscal 2007 and $6,765,871 for Fiscal 2006. The reduction of $1,335,661 in selling expense for Fiscal 2008, as compared to Fiscal 2007, resulted from reductions in all selling expense categories, except boat shows, with reduction in offshore racing expenses being the most significant. The increase in selling expense in Fiscal 2007, as compared to Fiscal 2006, was primarily from an increase in advertising expenses, including an expanded international advertising program, increased salaries and commissions and increased expenses for the Company's support of offshore racing and fishing tournament programs.



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Major selling expenses for the past three fiscal years were as follows:

2008 2007 2006
Fishing $ 479,233 $ 548,693 $ 444,328
Racing 1,007,269 1,776,198 1,474,270
Advertising 1,854,660 2,013,740 1,412,435
Salaries & commissions 1,168,435 1,345,709 1,098,662
Boat shows 888,511 691,633 526,381
Dealer support 166,950 456,802 550,138
Other selling expenses 1,139,364 1,207,308 1,259,657

Total $ 6,704,422 $ 8,040,083 $ 6,765,871




General and administrative expenses include the executive, finance, human resources, information technology, legal and administrative operating expenses of the Company. These expenses were $3,799,460 for Fiscal 2008, $3,813,883 for Fiscal 2007, and $4,032,574 for Fiscal 2006. The decrease in administrative expenses for 2007 was primarily attributable to reduced legal expenses.

Interest expense net of amounts capitalized was $976,853 for Fiscal 2008, $966,784 for Fiscal 2007, and $1,132,584 for Fiscal 2006. Interest expense decreased in Fiscal 2007 due to Fiscal 2006 having an expense of $229,801 of capitalized loan costs from the previous Bank of America loan when it was refinanced by the new $16,500,000 loan from Regions Bank.

Current tax provision is $0 for the year ending June 30, 2008, 1,283,728 for the year ending June 30, 2007, and ($1,283,746) for the year ending June 30, 2006. The current tax provision of $0 for Fiscal 2008 is the natural consequence of the net loss incurred by the Company. Deferred tax (benefit)/provision is ($790,589) for the year ended June 30, 2008, ($1,417,122) for the year ended June 30, 2007 and $460,258 for the year ended June 30, 2006. Deferred taxes arise from temporary differences between financial and income tax reporting regarding the recognition of certain items.

As of June 30, 2008 the Company had net deferred tax assets of $3,491,439 that were fully offset by a valuation allowance because, as of that date, it was management's conclusion that there continued to be doubt as to whether those deferred tax assets were more likely than not to be realized in the future. The deferred tax assets principally relate to the potential future benefits of tax net operating loss carryforwards, most of which had been generated during the years ended June 30, 2002, 2007 and 2008 when the Company generated substantial net losses. During the year ended June 30, 2008 the Company performed an evaluation, in accordance with Statement of Financial Accounting Standard No. 109, Accounting for Income Taxes, of the likelihood of realization of its deferred tax assets. The evaluation resulted in the continued application of a valuation allowance.

The Company has available federal and state operating loss carry forwards at June 30, 2008 and June 30, 2007 of approximately $9,616,438 and $9,085,379, respectively, which expire at various dates through 2028. The ultimate realization of the benefits from the deferred tax assets is dependent upon the Company's future earnings, the future tax laws in effect, and other unknown factors; all of which are uncertain. In recent years the Company elected to provide for a tax asset valuation allowance of $3,491,439 at June 30, 2008, $2,700,850 at June 30, 2007, and $0 at June 30, 2006.

Liquidity and Financial Resources.

As disclosed in the Condensed Consolidated Statement of Cash Flows, the cash balance decreased by $934,113 during the Fiscal Year ended June 30, 2008. By comparison, during the previous Fiscal Year the cash balance decreased $2,095,169.

Cash used by operations was $1,158,962 in Fiscal 2008 and resulted primarily from:

? The net loss of $2,199,828 incurred is the most significant use of cash and is discussed elsewhere in this document.

? Non-cash provisions adjustments, including depreciation expense of $2,406,502, added back $1,971,132.

? Decreases in Prepaid Expenses and Other Assets provided $161,257. Increases in Accounts Payable and Accrued Expenses provided $2,116,721.

? Increases in the asset accounts of Accounts Receivable and Inventories used $1,910,440. Decreases in the liability accounts of Dealer Incentives and Customer Deposits used $1,297,804.



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Cash used for investing activities during Fiscal 2008 was $5,295,527 and resulted primarily from:
? As is typically the case, the largest investment made was in creation of plugs and molds. Plugs are wooden forms constructed for the purpose of creating molds. Molds are used to replicate hulls, decks and various other fiberglass parts for boats. $799,198 was invested in plugs and molds for Fountain boats during Fiscal 2008. The Company also acquired molds and tooling for certain models of Baja boats at a total value of $4,000,000.

? $501,309 was spent on property, plant and equipment.

Financing activities provided $5,295,527 during Fiscal 2008.

? Boats in inventory for the retail subsidiary were financed on the "Floor Plan" for $3,075,606. (See Note 5, in the Notes to Consolidated Financial Statements).

? The Company borrowed $4,000,000 from Brunswick Corporation under a promissory note to acquire certain assets of Baja Marine Corporation.

? The Company repaid $799,333 that had been borrowed under the "Credit Facility" (See Note 5, in the Notes to Consolidated Financial Statements).

? The Company borrowed $1,400,000 of the Cash Surrender Value of the Key Man Life Insurance Policies it owns on the life of the Company's founder, Chairman and CEO.

? The Company repaid $1,240,297 of the principal of the "Loan" as per the terms of that loan (see Note 5, in the Notes to Consolidated Financial Statements).

? The Company purchased 453,091 shares of its stock for $870,475 as Treasury Stock.

Management is of the opinion that cash flows will be sufficient to satisfy its current and future liquidity demands because Management has realigned operating costs and expenses for the reduced level of production and returned the Company to profitability in the fourth quarter of Fiscal 2008 and is expecting to continue to operate profitably through Fiscal 2009.
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So all you liberals out there please tell us how the Democrats are so good for the working man when their legislation puts people out of work. Yes I said liberal legislation. Look up community reinvestment act of 1977. The Democrats are so stupid they can't even get out of their own way.

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On a side note, I found out a couple days ago that the quad-engine 38s are built with composite stringers versus glass-encapsulated wood for everything else, so Homesite's boat should be ultra-fast. I think they should run the Kilo Run before they leave Little Washington with it because she's got a real shot at being the fastest CC.
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So all you liberals out there please tell us how the Democrats are so good for the working man when their legislation puts people out of work. Yes I said liberal legislation. Look up community reinvestment act of 1977. The Democrats are so stupid they can't even get out of their own way.

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On a side note, I found out a couple days ago that the quad-engine 38s are built with composite stringers versus glass-encapsulated wood for everything else, so Homesite's boat should be ultra-fast. I think they should run the Kilo Run before they leave Little Washington with it because she's got a real shot at being the fastest CC.
I was told that every boat that leaves the factory is dialed in to be as fast as it can go.

I will be getting a performance printout with all the numbers. It should be the fastest, but until it is tested, who knows
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I was told that every boat that leaves the factory is dialed in to be as fast as it can go.

There's a performance report that's done on each boat that will tell you a bunch of things including top speed--they do this at the factory before they shrink wrap 'em and do the final QC. Be sure to look at the drive trim angle when they hit the top speed on the report, normally with Verados its around 5 or 6. Sometimes you can do a little better on top end by labbing the wheels or messing with a few things but generally, you're right, they come ready to run once they're delivered. Good luck with the new boat!
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I have the performance report on my boat. It has never ran that fast but then again, I have never run it when it was 40 degrees outside like the day the tested it. I wonder about the break in procedure when I see these test? Even if you buy a used Fountain, they can pull and provide the water test.
As far as setup, I have raised my engine two holes over where Fountain had it set and found a couple mph in real work conditions.
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