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Old 07-15-2008, 07:27 PM
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Default Best small, stable boats

I want something I can stand up in, side to side, fish, cast my net, not feel like I'm about to tip the boat over. Maybe 17-18 ft max.

Don't care if I get pounded in big seas vs a deep V hull, I know what I am asking for. My goal is a boat where I can stand up and use the boat vs have a hull that will take me thru larger waves and keep me dry. Most of my boating in this one would be ICW, near shore on nice days, anchoring up and rafting with the crowd.

Whaler, Carolina Skiff, maybe Key West? Want higher gunwales, not a flats boat; self bailing, less than 1 ft draft.

Had a GW 180, totally loved the boat, but if I stood up and walked to one side I nearly turned the boat over. Literally could not stand next to the gunwale and toss a net as I felt totally unsafe. On the other hand, in larger water, the boat was a tank, drove like a sports car and kept us dry. All about trade offs....

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Had a GW 180, totally loved the boat, but if I stood up and walked to one side I nearly turned the boat over. Literally could not stand next to the gunwale and toss a net as I felt totally unsafe.
Loose some weight?

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http://www.m2motoryachts.com/m221motoryacht.html
http://www.twinvee.com/Boats/CenterC...3/Default.aspx
any kinda cat will be good
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Pontoon?
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DLX or DLV Carolina Skiff.
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Check out the DLV Carolina Skiff, high sides, high capacity, and lots of room.
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Can't beat the SeaCraft 20 Classic or any of the smaller Cape Horns.
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Had a GW 180, totally loved the boat, but if I stood up and walked to one side I nearly turned the boat over. Literally could not stand next to the gunwale and toss a net as I felt totally unsafe.
Loose some weight?

Check out the 17' Cape Horn
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Yes Carolina skiff are a very big stable well built best bang for the buck but they ride like crap and pound in any kind of seas, but a great boat if used in a bay or mostly calm water.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:25 PM
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I'd suggest a 17 or 19 foot Boston Whaler Montauk. Whaler's famous for safety, durability & their early success the premier small boat builder. The new 19ftr is a great lookinbg boat & is a LARGE 19ftr - next to a 17' - it seems much larger than the extra 2'. If you do alot of work around the sides of a boat - you can get the Montauk with high side & bow rails.

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Old 07-15-2008, 09:46 PM
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You can stand two people on the side of our Outrage 190 in scuba gear and it does not roll or become unstable. Perhaps there are other issues as most 18 plus foot boats are not particularly unstable.
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:52 PM
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Your post just amazed me. I have two boats, one a small (15.5 foot) monohull and the other an 18 foot Caracal catamaran. The smaller boat is tippy but boy does it run nice in calm water. The caracal is a catamaran so it has a wierd turn,

but I weight 240 and I walk ANYWHERE in that Caracal and I have NEVER thought it was going to go anywhere!!! Come to think of it, I actually measured the list once when I just about stood on the gunwhale: 6 degrees. That's all.

It is the DEFINITION of stable, as far as roll (list) is concerned at rest.

The only problem I see is your additional reqeust for draft. My (liner) caracal I think would not meet your requirement. My boat weighs about 1700 lbs without the motor. And in order to get "clean water" for the 115HP Suzuki, they mount the engine so that the prop is even farther down.

However, I have a suggestion: find an older Caracal that was the non-liner, "rolled gunnel" design (pre-2006 I think) and a smaller engine, say 90 hp, and I think you will have just about exactly what you want. My somewhat heavier cat will plane just fine with a 115 HP, and the lighter one should do fine with a 90. Maybe even a 2-stroke, which would be even lighter.

If absolute skinny draft is really important to you, I can also report that I have a 6 HP kicker whose prop is actually above the keel of the boat, and it moves the boat at 4 knots. Couple that kicker to the hydraulically driven main engine so you can steer from the console and you would have an extremely stable boat that can go into the waters you want with no problem.

OK, my 2 cents worth. Your post about being unable to go to the side of your boat just took me by suprise. My little 15 foot mono is like that, but the caracal is the exact opposite.

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Old 07-15-2008, 10:56 PM
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Buy a 14-16 Xwide Mod vee John Boat. Forget the fiberglass crap and get a simple aluminum boat. Take a look at Sea Arks. Also make sure you get an all weld, rivets are nothing but trouble.
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:58 AM
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Maycraft. Good value.
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Dauntless models from Boston Whaler. I have the 18 ft and it is very stable drifting or underway. Capable of knocking your fillings out if you do not adjust speed and trim - tabs are a must imo.

Excellent all around boat for the family, fishing, cruising, and lounging on the beach. And tough as nails as well as a simple layout.

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Arima, but not self bailing.
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:01 AM
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Bay Rider by KenCraft.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:06 AM
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Here is a simple answer to your question. You are looking for good "Initial" stability.

A flat bottom will have better initial stability than and mod v or v hull. Thats just the way it is. On a side note someone already mentioned a Catamaran. That may be the best choice all together. A keel line under each gunnel is about as stable as you will get intially. In a cat three guys can quickly move from one side to the other and the boat will barely move. One will cost a little more then a CS though

Your best bets with cats are Twin Vee 17 or 19 or Caracal 18 in the rolled edge for a better price

If you chose to go by way of flat bottom Carolina skiff will be just fine. Well built and have been arounfd for a long time. Prices are very reasonable and will do what you are asking about as well as a cat will.

No need to complicate things.

I do know of a guy in NC that has a 2003 Twin Vee Baycat with a 115 Zuke and trailer for 15K and change. Low hours too. Email me if you want his phone number

Good luck in your choice. It's really a pretty easy one.

Tight lines, Bob

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The main thing to stability is the width of the boat. Boats are like women's hips, wider the better,,,
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:23 AM
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Other than the cats, I just don't see what any of the above mentioned boats will give him that the Grady didn't. Seems unusual that the boat felt "tippy" when he was at the gunnel. Heck, I have an 18' cheap boat, and never feel that way -- Iím usually at the gunnels when fighting fish and weigh 240. I recently had a few other guys in the boat, and two of us stood aft, near the transom, at a combined bodyweight of 500. Add in the weight of the motor and battery, and it was over a thousand pounds back there -- just a little water at the bottom of the motor well coming through the scups.
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What about a newer Wellcraft 180 fisherman with 8' beam. Draft is 15"....three inches more than you wanted but who's counting.
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