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Old 07-13-2008, 03:45 PM
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Default John Allmand 23

This is my first post here although I have been reading all the helpful info on this forum for a while. I have recently aquired a free 1975 John Allmand 23 Citation express. I believe it is a citation express from different pics I have found online. It has a Ford 351 inboard and I was wondering if anyone knew where I might be able to find parts or info on this boat. Also the motor was a brand new crate motor that the owner only put about 4 hours on but then due to financial problems and then losing interest in the restoration the boat sat for about 8 years. The entire boat had been repainted 8 years ago also which buffed out like brand new. What steps should I take with the motor before attempting to fire it up. The motor is not siezed and fluid in it are clean. I was thinking belts hoses fuel pump cap rotor coil plugs wires water pump etc. I was wondering though if it would be a good idea to try to attempt to fire it up and make sure its good before spending all that money on parts. I apologize for the long post but any help or info on this boat or motor would be greatly appreciated. I don't have a lot of money to spend so I'm trying to find the most cost effective way to do this. Thanks in advance.


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Old 07-13-2008, 06:17 PM
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Pull the spark plugs out and squirt some oil in the cylinders. Let it sit for a little while. While it's sitting go through and check for any nests or damage that animals may have caused. Check your oil level, and look for any signs of moisture. If it looks all right, hook up a battery and turn it over to blow the oil out of the cylinders. Get you a remote tank to try and start it on. Check it over and look for anything that may be an immediate danger, then try and start it. If it doesn't start right up or pops, then you'll probably need to go through the carb and clean it. Belts and espescially hoses would be a good idea. A good tune-up would be a must before attemting to put it back into service as well.
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my father had a 1970 23 Citation that he only sold a year and a half ago. Boat was in the family since new. It served us well even at over 35 years old and she caught a lot of fish. His had a chevy block in it with a mercruiser outdrive (repowered 3x). Good luck with the boat. they are great. Only odd thing about them is that the floor is below the water line.

check out http://boats1.com/history.htm for old brochures

Here is my dad's old girl (date on photo is wrong)

Here was a nice striper landed in her too (notice the deep gunwales)
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Thanks for the info.* B one of the things I love about the boat is the deep gunwhales. I have a 6 year old son that loves fishing and definitely feel more secure with the higher sides. Mine looks very similar to your dads. when I get some pics I will post them for you.

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Old 07-14-2008, 07:37 AM
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I always thought all the Allmands were i/o's?
If the boat has sat that long, you may want to pull the disrtibutor and spin the oil pump with a cordless drill to circulate the oil and avoid dry start wear on the bearings.
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They were straight inboard or i/o..

Here are a couple other pictures of my dads 1970

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Old 07-14-2008, 09:08 AM
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As an Allmand 23 owner, I'll put in my 2 cents.
For a look at Allmand boats go to http://allmandboats.com/history.htm and you'll get links to old brochures and some company background.

The hulls are built like the proverbial brick outhouse, which is one reason for Allmand's demise...they built them TOO good. Compare them with Bertram and other top of the line boats in terms of build quality. Below the bonded hull liner is a egg crate like framework of stiffeners, stringers and cross braces all made of hat channel fiberglass. The bonded hull liner creates floatation so don't poke a lot of holes in the deck if you can avoid it. No wood on the boat except for the transom. Any boat of this age should have the transom checked for rot or wetness. I had to have mine repaired.

I have the Ticonderoga, a flybridge version of your boat. I have completely gutted it and rebuilt everything with all new. Engine, drive, wiring, electric potty, holding tank, instruments, hydraulic steering, windlass etc. I think it's worthwhile to redo the boat as it is as nice a hull as you can find.

Good luck with the old Ford. Hope you can get it going. As to replacing parts, generally speaking if it's made of rubber replace it. If it has the old OMC Stringer drive, you may consider updating it with a newer drive at some point in the future. Go2marine.com has a good online parts catalog with pictures of parts.
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Thanks for the info. Overall the boat seems solid no soft spots anywhere. I attempted to start the boat today but the starter is dead so it looks like I will have to purchase a new one before i go any further. In the mean time I'll keep continuing with the cosmetic stuff

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Good luck with her... they are worth rebuilding. I have a 79 26' Freedom Express that is pretty much 100% original. Ugly as all get out, but built like a sherman tank. They share a bunch of parts with Bertram, windows, rails, rubrails... & much of the stuff will last forever.

Unlike yottyboys Allmand, mine is full of wood. 2x10 oak stringers, plywood cores under most of the decking... all is well.

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Alot of Allmands were inboards. They made a ton of boats over 25' that came with 351's. They sold a 26' Freedom sport fish that lookes like a Bertram Moppie (not nearly as classy as the bert) that came with twin 351's & would run in the high 50's.
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Default 1972 John Allmand 25' hardtop For Sale

Hi, i'm selling my 25' John Allmand Hardtop Cruiser because i recently changed my job and don't have time to maintain her. i'm selling her for $8,000.00 and i'm attaching the link to view pics. If anyone interested email me at cagonzalez720@yahoo.com Boat is located in Miami, Fl. and is in great shape.

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