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Old 07-11-2008, 08:57 AM
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Default Verado Vs Optimax

Hi, I am new to THE HULL TRUTH. I am very impressed with the knowledge and willingness to help that you guys embody. I am planning to purchase either a BW 305 or GW 300 Marlin model year 2004-2005. I like both of the boats a lot. What I really need help in is the engines. I am looking at four boats, two GWs with yamaha 2254S, a BW with 250 Verados and a BW with 225 Optimaxs. I don't know much about Mercury engines and their reliability. Any advice or warnings about the Mercury motors orthe Yamahas forthatmatter? Which to go with? Thanks.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:51 AM
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Number of hours on motors, performance numbers(speed and gas consumption at cruise, topend) and the different prices of each boat would all be a consideration in making this decision. Each motor has it's advantages and disadvantages but all are good motors.
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most anything past 02 is good.not many problem motor's out right now
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:46 AM
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I am concerned about the Optimaxs since the newer generation two strokes are unfamiliar to me. I have only bad memories of older two strokes from the late eighties. Are these newer optimaxs reliable motors - as reliable as the 4s.
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yes,and better fuel milage than alot of the 4 strokes.
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:27 AM
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Go to the BW website and check the perf. reports. They have most models with opti and verado. Based on what I saw Opti has a lot more get up and go.
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I had a 115 opti on a 23'skiff and now I have a 150 verado on a bay boat. The opti had great hold shot and ran with no issues at all. The verado is a gem.Motor has alot of power and so quiet you don't know it is running at times. A good friend has a yamie that does'nt seem to have the power that the 115 opti had and is much louder than the verado. I don't think there is any bad motors out there today. Mercury is a great product with wonderfull customer service.
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Old 07-11-2008, 01:26 PM
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I fish a good bit on a BW 305 Conquest with 225 Optis. Not enough power for that boat in my opinion. If I recall correctly you've got to try real hard to hit 30 MPH in real world conditions.
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Old 07-11-2008, 01:53 PM
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what kind of boater are you?

1st of all all the motors are reliable....the Yam 225's are the gold standard fpr reliabiltiy but weak vs the others...the opti's are the best hole shot and the verados the most sophisticated...so what do you want?

If it's gonna be a family "brunch boat" go for the Y 225's
want some guts? - the opti's... but they are the loudest...ask mama
want high end stuff? - the verados

but all this is crap talk - go drive them all and see what you like and get the motors checked out by a certified tech...
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:14 PM
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I am a die hard 2 stroke fan and love the milage and power of my 250 opti ,
I have a yami kicker and have nothing against other brands , but if i had 2 bolt a 4 stroke on my boat it would be a verado ! but hey thats just me all the brands are all good moters and like glen
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:37 PM
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I run the 150 optis now and love them. One thing to consider is running back on one engine (god forbid). I don't want to scare you but lets face it that's why we run multiple engine set ups. Last weekend i ran 80 miles on just the port side engine. Averaged 26 mph at 4200 rpms on a counter rotation prop on a 26' CC in a 1 to 2' chop. With the heavier boats your considering I would want some "guts" that Glen E spoke of. Great fuel mileage too! Good luck with your decision.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:03 PM
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Check out the verado club. Glen E.and the guys do a great job with info. on the verados.
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I have a pair of 225 2001 optimaxes and I had the same missgiving from the 1980's outboards.An 1 1/2 year the problems I had with the optimaxes I have has been just a few.One alternator,seals in one lower unit(fishing string) and a oil tank that is mounted on the motor.In the 1 1/2 year I put close to 125 hours on them.Now,just wish I could spend more time on the water in one of the 4 boats I own.Work is a bit-h!
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Old 07-11-2008, 05:38 PM
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For a cruising boat the Verado's are quiet. New ones are pretty fuel efficient and reliability is good.

The Optimax is loud. Read LOUD. It flat out barks and is great for holeshots on flats boats. To listen to that noise at cruise would be bothersome to me. They do have good fuel economy. Friend just put a new 250 on his new Canyon Bay. Two weeks later it's still not running. Something about vacuum pressure in the fuel line with an external fuel filter. Mercury is supplying another air pump that's supposed to relieve the problem.

Complexity. That's what makes some of these high-tech. injected two-strokes problamatic.
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Faced with the same choice I went with the Opti on my boat and have never looked back. They are a lot louder than the 4 stroke motors are but I don't really need a quiet motor. I love the way it sounds but a conversation at cruise is a shouting match at best.

I don't question the reliability of it though and that's why I went with it in the first place. You need to have something back there that makes you feel good inside. The Opti does that for me and kicks the crap out of my boat to boot.

I would have no problems owning a Verado or any of the Yamaha motors either but that's where I would draw the line. Like I said, it has to make you feel good inside when you're on the water.
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Hi quinlaja,

I'm not very familiar with the 'technicals' of the different engines you've mentioned - but I have owned a BW 305 with twin Verado 250s - and was very happy with the boat & engines. No lack of power & extremely quiet. I doubt I would've chosen the boat with the Opti 225s.

Another thing to consider is resale value - I'm no expert, so please take with a grain of salt - but I've been told that 4 strokes might have greater resale appeal than 2 strokes. Once again,....a grain of salt.

Glenn E has a great site dedicated exclusively to Verados, hence the name, 'Verado Club' - check it out.

Finally - Wonderful boats you're considering! When you're short list consists of either a BW or a GW, that's a nice position to be in.

Best of luck, & report back when you've made a decision.

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Old 07-12-2008, 08:58 AM
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Try the Verados. You will like them!
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Old 07-12-2008, 10:05 AM
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The FishDancer team has run 225 Optis on our Donzi and we now run 300 Verados on our Contender. The optis are more fuel efficent. The verados are quieter and have power steering. Both are capable of digital throttle and shift (DTS). We put more than 600 hours on the optis without major issue and currently have 150 on the Verados without incident. Both are very reliable motors. I would say the Verados will have a better resale value. Either way you cannot go wrong.

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Old 07-13-2008, 07:14 PM
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate the unbiased information that you shared with me. I was out this weekend fishing with a pair of 2007 300 yamaha HPDI and came back one a single motor. It seems the oil pump failed. You never can tell - this is the first problem with those engines. Thanks again and it seems that finances will drive my decision as in the resale value.
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