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Hey guys. New to site and wanted to see what kind of feedback I might get. Getting ready to order a Beavertail B2 and wondered about anyone's experience with above motors as I am trying to decide what to go with. Ive always been a Yamaha man, but I'm being steered towars ETEC. Any thoughts?
50HP range is not usually great for 4 strokes. A bit anemic and bulky. Maybe a tossup at 3 lbs though. Just stick with the Yamaha if that is your comfort zone.
Depends...if you plan to do alot of idle and trolling, 4 stroke for sure, I don't believe any 2 stroke, even the new ones, can out perform a 4 stroke when it comes to low speed trolling. I know they are far, far, better for not smoking and fouling plugs, but, still, I have been on other forums and the 2 strokes do still lean toward fouling plugs and smokey times after long trolling trips...I can troll with my F115 Yamaha 10 hours a day, usually in 2 intervals, 6 hours, then, later, 2 to 4 more...dosen't smoke or skip a beat...ever.
Now, hole shot, torque, 2 stroers got it hands down over the 4 bangers, naturally...but, I'm beyond that point of youth where thats what matters most...I love my F115, quite, dependable, always ready.
Another thing, all that electronic stuff they cram under the hood on those e-tecs...scares me, and it seems they often need to be updated, reprogramed like a home computer...I don't like that. Last thing I need is to be hundreds of miles from any dealer while up on the lake in Maine, and some computer glitch cause my trip to be compromised...no way...too little time, too many trout and salmon waiting to join the kids & I onboard!!
hhmm you guys must be going soft, hardly a cross word yet, but I guess it is still early days, shouldn't be too long before an Etec hater or a 4 stroke hater pops in.
don't believe the smoke and mirrors... the industry is 75% four stroke for a reason.
where do you get that info?
thats on new builds not the industry. a few years back it was the opti and the hpdi before that it was the ox66 before that it was the looper how many are still running on boats?
If your boat is heavy, go 2 stroke( 3500 rpm torque... 50 hp is not that much. I know, I had a Honda 45 with a 16.5 aluminum, would take 1 mile to plane with 4 guys, whereas the 35 yam carb 2 stroke would bolt from the water. Top speed about the same. Mileage to the Honda. ) if not, go 4 stroke for resale if nothing else.
Depends...if you plan to do alot of idle and trolling, 4 stroke for sure, I don't believe any 2 stroke, even the new ones, can out perform a 4 stroke when it comes to low speed trolling.
That is precisely where a 2 stroke DI (such as the ETEC or the Opti) shines the brightest. They will outperform a 4 stroke all day long at idle/low speed trolling.
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Really, they are both good engines and a big part of it comes down to your local dealer network. That being said, if performance is important, E-Tec hands down over the yammy. Also, I wouldn't pay much heed to the comment on E-Tec electronic reliability - 4 strokes have electronics too. As far as trolling goes, if you do it A LOT, the yammy may be a little better since it is a tad quieter and has a lower inclination to foul plugs at that usage frequency. It's hard to beat the lower and cheaper maintenance of the E-Tec over any 4-stroke, however. Not too mention E-Tec emissions are as low as they come.
thats on new builds not the industry. a few years back it was the opti and the hpdi before that it was the ox66 before that it was the looper how many are still running on boats?
************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************ WARNING...I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE, I JUST FINISHED READING WHAT I AM ABOUT TO POST...I THINK I HAVE DISTORTED YOUR ORIGINAL POST...BUT, I DID ALREADY OFFER A HIGHLY VALUABLE PIECE OF INFORMATION TO YOUR ORIGINAL POST, I SIMPLY COULD NOT HELP MYSELF...I SAW WHERE SOMEONE MENTIONED LOOPERS, AND WAS OVERCOME WITH A WAVE OF NOSTALGIA...FORGIVE ME. [img]../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-innocent.gif[/img]
LOOPERS...Man, the OLD loopers were some tough bastards! My personal favorites, were the 1969 thu early "70's 3 cylinder 55 and 60 H.P. Johnrudes. Now, the electric shift models were bitchy if the lower unit develpoed issues, but, believe they did away with the electric shift around 1972.
I bought a 1969 55 H.P. Johnson, didn't have a lower unit, whole motor, minus the lower unit, cowl was faded, and internal wiring harness shot, rubber deteriorated. But, the powerhead, pure freshwater only. NEVER RUN HOT, the paint on the powerhead looked like it just came off the show room floor, even the headbolts had all the paint on them...none flaked off, never had a wrench on them. 125 PSI even in every cylinder. 21 years ago, I saw it, leaning up against the side of a house. Everyday I drove by, and there it was. After a few weeks, I knocked on the door, long story short, fellow told me the lowerunit blew from a bad seal, he didn't have the money to repair it. (The wiring harness wasn't near as bad as it is now...but, the motor is almost 40 years old)...) So, for $150.00 I bought it, and, another one he had out back with a siezed powerhead.
I still have it, and, have 2 fully functional lower units, one I had all new seals installed in, and actually used on another motor back in 2000. I plan to redo the wire harness, refinish the cowl, and, exterior, it's faded...but, NOT a spec of rust, zero, zilch. (BTW, back in '89, I installed a lower unit, & ran it...after rebuilding the carbs, ran STRONG, but, some of the bad wires were causing her to misfire every now & then)
I'll then put it on one of my original Johnson dealer motor stands, as a show piece, right next to my 1957 Evinrude FleetTwin 7.5 Hp, 100% original...MINT!! Bought it from an old man, in his late 80's(that was 4 yrs. ago...he's dead now, one of the good guys). His friend bought it back in 1957 to use on the family boat (In N.Y., as a summer rig, on one of those mountain lakes) Well, they used it one time, then never again. It has strong spark, great compression, carb probably needs rebuiding. His friend kept it inhis basement, then, when he gave it to the gentleman I bought it from, he kept it under a canvas tarp, in his barn)Heck, he sold me that mint motor, another old 7.5, not near as nice, but, running, a 1930's 1 or 2 HP Johnson..or Eldo...something like that, can't remember,all 3 motorsfor $350.00!! I asked him how much $$he wanted...didn't make an offer, but, for that FleetTwin, I was ready to shell out alot more $$. Then, he said ifI wanted all that stuff, I had to take...not buy, take, a rear tine 8 horsepower self propelled garden tiller.It's a name brand, just can't think of it at the moment, but, I looked it up, a new one is around $600.00!! It was a few years old, had a flat, but, very clean, just some surface rust on the metal shield that protects the operator from the revolvig tines, He said it ran good, but, had stopped running, andhe could no longer use it due to his health( He was a cool dude, had alot of great hunting and fishing stories from back in his earlier days...mentally, he was still sharp as a tack, he knew he was giving me a deal, he certainly didn't need the $$, and, besides just wanting the stuff out of his barn, he and I hit it off pretty well, yeah, somebody actually LIKED me) Anyway, I brought the tiller home, threw a tarp over it, and didn't even think about it...then, the old lady wanted to start a flower garden in the front yard, where some scrappy bushes were. I pulled the bushes, but, the root system they had developed were a problem. So I drag the tiller into the garage, drain the old fuel, add fresh fuel, oil is already really clean. I checked it over, found that the throttle cable had slipped because the little clamp that secures it had come loose, so, i fixed that. I pull 4 times...VVVRRROOOOMMM!!! She runs like new! I buy a new tire, fill the other with fix-a-flat, and that machine tore those roots to shreds! When I was finished, she had a nice, fluffy earthern garden patch...have to give her credit, it looks beautiful. Anyway...where was I... oh, yeah...so, the 7.5 FleetTwin is mounted on a 1950's Evinrude dealer stand, looks just like you stepped back in time to 1957, except.... it's in my LIVING ROOM. ( It's a great conversation piece...all MY friends like it....) And, once I restore the 55 looper, it'll also go in the living room, on one of my larger original Johnson dealer showroom motor stands...don't think I'll put it right next to the small 7.5, maybe in a corner, next to the fireplace....unless I build that den I want, but...which will come first...the 55 or the den??
Once I set the 55 up, the old lady may freak...maybe...even....run....away....Did I mention, I also have a 1958 Johnson 7.5, also MINT, and, another 50's Johnson dealer showroom motor stand to mount it on(Both are currently in storage)...it'll look GREAT! right next to the Evinrude FleetTwin...don't ya think?? I do....FREEDOM! FREEDOM AT LAST!! hmmmm, that has a familiar ring...but, I LIKE IT!!! [img]../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif[/img]
A final thought...If you have an outboard motor on a stand in your LIVING ROOM....You might be a redneck!
If you have more than one outboard motor mounted on a stand in your LIVING ROOM...You might be a redneck[img]../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif[/img]
FYI - I was at a boat show a few months ago and was admiring a Beavertail and struck up a conversation with one of the factory reps. He explained that they could do any engine but that the 50hp E-tech was really the best suited for the boat. I didn't press him on why. I loved the boat - enjoy.
Depends...if you plan to do alot of idle and trolling, 4 stroke for sure, I don't believe any 2 stroke, even the new ones, can out perform a 4 stroke when it comes to low speed trolling.
That is precisely where a 2 stroke DI (such as the ETEC or the Opti) shines the brightest. They will outperform a 4 stroke all day long at idle/low speed trolling.
Oh, really? How so?? I don't believe ANY 2 stroke will outperform a 4 stroke for hours of idle/trolling....I have read threads on other forums, the new 2 strokes do troll far, far, better than the old ones, but still will foul, smoke (albeit, not much) and, need a good high speed clearing out run every so often. I don't want to dispute you, but, I think you are wrong on this statement...unless your talking fuel consumption...I haven't any clue as to that, don't really care either. A 4 stroke outperforms a 2 stroke at low speed trolling, it's the way it is, law of oil in gas, wheteher it be injected into the crankcase , it still reaches the plugs, your still burning some oil, which leads to dirtier plugs. Maybe i'm wrong...but, it's what I believe.
50HP etec or Yamaha 4 stroke 
