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Old 04-16-2008, 07:26 AM
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BY ANNE-MARGARET SOBOTA

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Ten gas stations in the Florida Keys will be switching fuel supplies to a blend of regular gasoline and ethanol later this month.

Dion's Oil Co. has been notified that its fuel supplier, Exxon Mobile out of Port Everglades, has switched to E10, a blend of regular gasoline and 10 percent ethanol. Ethanol is a clean-burning renewable fuel made from grains such as corn, wheat or barley, or other crops that contain sugars.

All Dion's locations will begin carrying the new fuel as soon as their current reserves of regular gasoline are depleted. The gas stations represent the first in the Keys with the alternative fuel.

"It's going to be sometime in the next week that each one of them will receive ethanol," Dion's CEO Suzanne Banks said.

The switch is part of a federal mandate to increase the supply of renewable fuels to 9 billion gallons this year and 36 billion gallons by 2022. All oil companies must comply.

"We have no choice here, the oil companies have no choice here," Banks said. "Until the government changes its position, it's here to stay."

Banks said all oil companies are in the process of converting, and expects ethanol-blend fuels to be the norm everywhere by the end of this year.

"Citgo will be converting the end of the summer. That means the rest of our locations will be E10 by the end of the summer," Banks said. "I just wanted the public to know it's coming and be prepared, because it will be all over the Keys by the end of the year."

Ethanol is approved for all nondiesel engines, and no engine modifications are necessary. The E10 blend is covered under warranty by every automobile manufacturer that sells vehicles in the United States for every make and model, according to the American Coalition for Ethanol.

"We are told that modern vehicles should have no problem," Banks said. "But if there's any doubt whatsoever, they should consult with their mechanic or their manufacturer."

Ethanol may not be compatible with the fuel storage tanks or engines used in marine vessels. There have been published reports that it causes damage to boat fuel tanks made of fiberglass. Vessel owners should check with their engine and boat manufacturer.

"I really encourage people that trailer their boats into stations to already check that out," Banks said. "We cannot be responsible for their fuel tanks or their boat engines."

There is some evidence that E10 decreases fuel efficiency, but it varies by make and model.

"I'll be honest with you, I've heard both," Banks said. "I've heard people say there's no problems. I've heard others say there is."

A study by the American Coalition for Ethanol showed that cars running on E10 averaged 1.5 percent lower mileage, although many vehicles showed no variance.

Banks said consumers should not expect to see a price break, even with the ethanol blend.

"Not until everybody is on the band wagon do I think it will happen," she said.

Ethanol has come under scrutiny lately, with some critics claiming that ethanol production has contributed to record food prices and food shortages in some countries. The price of wheat has more than tripled during the past 10 months, and soybean prices have gone up as farmers switched more of their acreage to corn. The United States is wrestling with the worst food inflation in 17 years, and a food crisis led to rioting in Haiti, Egypt, Cameroon, Senegal, Ethiopia, and the Ivory Coast, among others.

International critics believe crops should not be diverted for U.S. ethanol production when people in other countries are starving.

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Just wonderful...Ill be there in June...
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Hess already sells it in the Keys and S Florida.
Go buy some extra filters before the first internal scrubbing of the E10 in the fuel system.
Any thing with aluminum ,ie tank,filters,VST tank may shed some particles.

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Hess is selling it all over the State of Florida.... Its here in St. Augustine at Hess...
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According to the article, its only at the Dion's stations...thats probably 25% (probably less) of the stations in the lower keys. None of the Dion's in Key West are good to take a boat trailer into anyways... Maybe the E-10 thing won't have spread any further by June...

Moving away from the Keys and heading into E-10 terrority even made my F-150 act up...maybe it was just as pissed as I was to be heading North.
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The Yamaha dealers willl be raking in the money down there soon.....
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One of the worst places in the US to blend ethanol in gasoline.
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The WAL-MART at the end of the turnpike had E-10 last year as well. We were headin down for bug season and thank god we brought extra filters with us. Day 1 ended up leaving us 12 miles out of KEY WEST with a plugged filter.
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I have been lucky I work for an airport and I regularly use 100LL octane aviation gas in my boat with no problems. we have to drain our truck sumps and our ground tank sumps everyday. It is a requirement but the fuel is always perfectly good, and it would go into slop tanks if I didn't use it. So I put it in my boat and my Ultra-Classic. I wonder how it will run on that E-10 when I go down to the Keys next month.
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The Yamaha dealers willl be raking in the money down there soon.....
Uh, I'm almost afraid to ask, but what exactly are you talking about? I'm going down in June with the boat. We have an F200 Yammie and the owners manual clearly states that as long as the octane requirement is the same it can run up to 10% "ethanol". No "methanol', what ever the heck that is. I always carry a spare fuel filter anyway, but sure don't want to create problems.
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my tech told me the 'F" series will suffer as they have plastic internal diaphrams that the e-10 slowly disintegrate.

Ive also read about the negative effects on yamahas vst tanks.....ALL vst tanks or only some ???
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I saw the same article in the paper and it didn't make me feel good. Dion's has a station on summerland where I live and I do buy a lot of gas there. Won't do it anymore if I can get gas without the ethanol at other stations.

By the way when I went by this morning they were changing their sign raising the price 5 cents a gallon. $3.64/ gallon for regular. $3.79 for regular at the Chevron on Summerland a 100 yards away. $4.00 will be with us soon. Amazing what an oil man for President and VP can do.

Kind of wondering if the cost of gasoline will have any effect on the annual invasion for crawfish season. Hate to see the local dive shops and other business get hit if things slow down in a time when they make alot of their income but boy is the invasion a pain for us locals. People in boats everywhere going totally insane over a few crawfish.
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The Yamaha dealers willl be raking in the money down there soon.....
Uh, I'm almost afraid to ask, but what exactly are you talking about? I'm going down in June with the boat. We have an F200 Yammie and the owners manual clearly states that as long as the octane requirement is the same it can run up to 10% "ethanol". No "methanol', what ever the heck that is. I always carry a spare fuel filter anyway, but sure don't want to create problems.
The problems that arise from the use of E10 gas is in the fuel tank and delivery system which leads to motor problems. I have been lucky and have not experienced any major problems with using E10 gas. The only issues I had was with the E10 cleaning out water that was in my tank and I had to drain my separator often with my first two tanks of gas. Now everything is just fine and I find little to no water in my separator.
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I saw the same article in the paper and it didn't make me feel good. Dion's has a station on summerland where I live and I do buy a lot of gas there. Won't do it anymore if I can get gas without the ethanol at other stations.

By the way when I went by this morning they were changing their sign raising the price 5 cents a gallon. $3.64/ gallon for regular. $3.79 for regular at the Chevron on Summerland a 100 yards away. $4.00 will be with us soon. Amazing what an oil man for President and VP can do.

Kind of wondering if the cost of gasoline will have any effect on the annual invasion for crawfish season. Hate to see the local dive shops and other business get hit if things slow down in a time when they make alot of their income but boy is the invasion a pain for us locals. People in boats everywhere going totally insane over a few crawfish.
So if its the presidents and VP fault why don't Hillary and Obama make that a campaign issue as when they are elected then gas prices will drop. I'm sure that would bring them a ton of votes and it would be easy for them to explain why gas is so expensive how to start with.
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There was such a huge uproar in Hawaii's boating/fishing community as marine engines were getting ruined costing millions of $ to boaters that the State published this flier. The State eventually caved in and allowed non-e10 fuel at some of the boat harbors. Here's some need to know info if you plan on running e-10. Many boaters I know still empty their tanks and burn all the fuel in their lines after every trip because of the water problem that ethanol creates.

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I read a Yamaha service bulliten on E-10 when I was left alone in the Key's Yamaha shop office (great mechanic BTW)...I don't remember it exactly, but it basically said the motor is fine with it if E-10 doesn't screw up your tank...

It would be worth getting SIM to summarize it here...maybe my memory is fading.
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What makes it a real slap in the face is that they are still charging the same price. So if you are getting less MPG then you are being double phuked.
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Ethanol is the biggest boondoggle to come along in a while. It takes 1.5 gallons of conventional fuel to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. It burns 30%+/- less efficient than gasoline, which burns less efficient than diesel. Also, it costs the same as other fuels at the pump. It has diverted food production resources, is subsidized by the government and we still are dependent on importing fuel from out of the country due to the insane environmental restrictions put forth by those that want to see this country turn into another European country. Even if we were able to drill in this country, build new refineries in this country and begin pumping fuel tomorrow, the price of fuel is what it is and will continue to go up until the oil companies break the ceiling. When that happens, all hell is gonna break loose. I don't begrudge ANY industry or profession in this country to make as much profit as they can. It is the system we live under and it is a good system. However, when one sector holds the rest of the country, and now parts of the world hostage, something is upside down and backwards. Three years ago it cost $36.00 to fill my truck up when near empty. Yesterday it was over $100.00. Has anybody's income gone up accordingly? The oil companies stated last week that they perceived demand being down, so to insure the same profit margin the prices at the pump have increased nearly .30 per gallon in the last week. It comes down to a monopoly in the fuel industry along with price rigging and government turning a blind eye to what, in any other sector, would be considered criminal. How many times has the government broken up other monopolies in the history of the country? Clinton did it with Bill Gates, the government has done it with the phone companies and other industries in the past. I have never been a "conspiracy theorist", however............
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E10 is slowly spreading all over Broward County. We'll just have to learn to deal with it.
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Hess in Central Florida has been selling E-10 for quite a while, and over the last 4 - 6 weeks, virtually ALL gas stations around here are selling nothing but E-10. And, yes... the prices just keep going higher and higher.
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