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Old 02-28-2008, 10:21 AM
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My boat stays in the water year round in Wilmington North Carolina, I am going to have her bottom painted for the first time and I am concerned about two things, First is performance, this has been addressed here and I am aware of what to expect, the second thing is build Up, I have heard of paints that ware down over time, but I am uncertain on what to use.I would like to know what product has been found to be the best. Cost is not an issue.
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Old 02-28-2008, 10:55 AM
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look for Interlux brand..ablative paints. they make several different types for different applications, southern, tropical, northern...I use the interlux act and am happy with the results but I probably foul less in NY than down south and only have the boat in from may-nov. Google interlux boat paint and you will get plenty of links for info. You will probably need to prome the bottom if it is pure gelcoat but they will give directions
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Is no bottom paint .........



I've had great results with Micron Extra in both the Chesapeake Bay and Ocean City, MD


Like most projects, the prep work means everything when doing a bottom job

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I am going to have the Grady dealer do it for me, I know they use the same Pettit on most of there boats, what I am not sure of is, whether it is the best I can get.
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there are more opinions than products out there. take a look at the westmarine catologe there is a good article there outlining the various types of paint products to see which best suits your specific application. most mfgs make the various types of product. the key is to make sure what you are applying is compatible with the paint/primer that is already on the boat. if you can identify what is already there, call the mfg of the product you want to buy and get their reccomendation on compatibility. the last thing you want is the bond between the two products to fail. proper preporation is equally important to compatibility. good luck.
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there are more opinions than products out there. take a look at the westmarine catologe there is a good article there outlining the various types of paint products to see which best suits your specific application. most mfgs make the various types of product. the key is to make sure what you are applying is compatible with the paint/primer that is already on the boat. if you can identify what is already there, call the mfg of the product you want to buy and get their reccomendation on compatibility. the last thing you want is the bond between the two products to fail. proper preporation is equally important to compatibility. good luck.
The hull is bare, this will be the first application of bottom paint, and like you pointed out in your reply, mixing products could be bad, I don't want to wish I did something different after the fact
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I've been using Micron CSC for several years and am pleased with it. No build - up like you get with non ablative paints. Actually, I don't think it's as strong as hard paints like Trinidad, etc., but the fact that it wears down vs. building layers is enough for me. Is Crocker going to do it?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Use what people around you are having success with. PBR used to run a yearly test in both the North AND South. The results for the same paint in different areas were usually different.
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I've been using Micron CSC for several years and am pleased with it. No build - up like you get with non ablative paints. Actually, I don't think it's as strong as hard paints like Trinidad, etc., but the fact that it wears down vs. building layers is enough for me. Is Crocker going to do it?
Yes, Crocker's is going to do it, they use the Trinidad, what they could not tell me was, which Trinidad, and if the one they do use, wears down during use, reducing build up.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Use what people around you are having success with. PBR used to run a yearly test in both the North AND South. The results for the same paint in different areas were usually different.
I understand what you are saying, the problem is everyones perception is different, they could very well have a product that they think is great, but in fact is garbage.
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Try mixing some arsenic and mercury into your paint.
try buying Chiltons Mettalic Bottom Paint ,red or blue.
If you don't want try any of the above use Interlux Micron 66.
#1 choice of the FL Keys Charter Fleet. It is expensive but works sitting at the dock or motoring.Self Polishing.
Pretty stinky when applied. Most boat yards will NOT let you apply it.
The litigation experts are wind of it.So the yard does not want you taking them to court.

http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-pr...RIPLESS%20BLUE

You can also take your boat to Venezuela and get exotic bottom paint
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Use what people around you are having success with. PBR used to run a yearly test in both the North AND South. The results for the same paint in different areas were usually different.
I understand what you are saying, the problem is everyones perception is different, they could very well have a product that they think is great, but in fact is garbage.
All you gotta do is look at the bottom.
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Crockers uses a hard paint that works fine. The problem being is that after 4-5 years you have added 200-300 pounds of paint to the bottom of
your boat. The best way is to sand the bottom, prime it with an epoxy primer, then 2 coats of ablative. Now you can get fancy and make the first coat
a hard or ablative in a different color, say red, then put your other ablative on top say black. I use the Sea Hawk brand of bottom paint. Has the most copper
of any ablative paint on the market 47%. Alot of boats around the Wilm. & W.B. area have it on there boats and it works great.
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Crockers uses a hard paint that works fine. The problem being is that after 4-5 years you have added 200-300 pounds of paint to the bottom of
your boat. The best way is to sand the bottom, prime it with an epoxy primer, then 2 coats of ablative. Now you can get fancy and make the first coat
a hard or ablative in a different color, say red, then put your other ablative on top say black. I use the Sea Hawk brand of bottom paint. Has the most copper
of any ablative paint on the market 47%. Alot of boats around the Wilm. & W.B. area have it on there boats and it works great.
Shoot me an email if you have any more questions.
Agree 100%, even tho I prefer Micron CSC. Ref. the question about "which" Trinidad, I think there is only one, and it's not an ablative paint. Great anti-fouling properties but does build up.
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I use the Sea Hawk brand of bottom paint. Has the most copper
of any ablative paint on the market 47%.
Actually it's not even close to the most copper. The paint that holds that title is Super Ship Bottom @ a minimum of 62.5% pure copper. This paint has a near cult following, is an ablative that is harder than most making for a "fast" bottom, can be burnished for speed and will last better than anything sold. The only negative is it is an "ugly" paint so if you like some shine in your paint like a Petit Vivid this isn't for you.

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Old 02-28-2008, 05:31 PM
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Hi sleeper, Have you used that paint?

My thought was to use a paint that wears with use, Do the first coat with a contrasting color, say, black over blue, and follow with the additional
recommended coats, that way I can clearly see when it is time to repaint, and I can get the most out of the job. I am still not sure which paint would be best.
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i use micron 66 , my boat stays in a heavy fouling zone and that paint has held up great.
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Just be careful. Don't apply a soft ablative paint, then next year apply a harder paint. Won't work! My suggestion is much like you posted. Use two coats of ablative with different colors. Thats not Trinidad tho.
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Hi sleeper, Have you used that paint?
This will be my first season on the CC but I have found many smiling owners with this paint and my dad put it on his BW Dauntless parked right next to me, hardly moved the boat all summer and after 5 months it didn't have a speck on the entire boat, not even grass at the waterline or transom! It really has caught on with the cruising sailboat crowd and trawler types because they are getting 2-3 years out of a 2 coat job. I used Petit Vivid last year and can only say that it sucked. They have slightly changed their formula according to a recent print ad I just saw so maybe it is better now but Vivid was the first bottom paint that I ever used that had immediate barnicle problems and I use this boat 4-7 times a week all season. I have made up my mind that the prettiest bottom paint is not for me. If you spend some time reading the MSDS on all the big name, popular ablative paints you will find that there are not a real lot of ingredient differences between them. Regionally there are favorites and there is huge marketing and advertising costs spent on the big names. Jump on some of the cruising web sites and see what they say about Super Shipbottom or wait till next November and I will tell the Hull Truth.
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Hi sleeper, Have you used that paint?
This will be my first season on the CC but I have found many smiling owners with this paint and my dad put it on his BW Dauntless parked right next to me, hardly moved the boat all summer and after 5 months it didn't have a speck on the entire boat, not even grass at the waterline or transom! It really has caught on with the cruising sailboat crowd and trawler types because they are getting 2-3 years out of a 2 coat job. I used Petit Vivid last year and can only say that it sucked. They have slightly changed their formula according to a recent print ad I just saw so maybe it is better now but Vivid was the first bottom paint that I ever used that had immediate barnicle problems and I use this boat 4-7 times a week all season. I have made up my mind that the prettiest bottom paint is not for me. If you spend some time reading the MSDS on all the big name, popular ablative paints you will find that there are not a real lot of ingredient differences between them. Regionally there are favorites and there is huge marketing and advertising costs spent on the big names. Jump on some of the cruising web sites and see what they say about Super Shipbottom or wait till next November and I will tell the Hull Truth.
Obviously lots of differing opinions here. Probably should just go with Crockers. Those that post they aren't getting any growth at all must be smoking somthin very strong. Somehow I don't think all this has helped ya.
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