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I bought a pair of 300 suzukis at the boat show for 34,000 rigged they where left over 07 you can get one for 17,000 rigged still with the 6 year warranty it was a no brainer at that price!
so tell me tom... why would anyone by a dumbed down Y300 that weighs what a 350 does?... which is 200 lbs more than the Zuke or Verado or WAY more than your fav motor, the E300?...humor me...show me a situation that the Y300 fits....
so hows that corner you just backed into .... a little tight?
I'm glad you asked Glen. Let's talk my situation, 25 foot Whaler, 300 Maximum horsepower rating. The F300 would be a perfect fit for me and would weigh less than the twin Mercury 150s I have in there now. The question for you is why WOULDN't that be a great application for the F300?
Looks like a good fit to me. 25 foot Whaler was designed and really intended to have twin 150s 2-strokes which have combined weighed of about 800 lbs. So the F300 provides the same HP and same weight on the transom. Static water line wouldn't change and the balance of the boat would remain the same as the designers originally intended.
All of the 4-stroke 150s are heavier than the ideal transom weight of 800 lbs and a 600 lb single Suzuki 300 would likely cause the boat to ride a bit bow heavy. Even a Verado 300 would be on the light side and a pair of Verado 150s are way too heavy.
So the F300 seems to be the round peg for the round hole in this case or any other older boat setup where 300 hp was the maxum in the form of twin 2-stroke 150s.
The new f350/300s are high torque/power engines. Although the weight of one will be same or a bit less of twins, the thrust / torque of the engine will not be spread over a larger area of the transom as twins do. Having all that thrust- torque over a smaller area on an older transom maybe a consideration. I have "heard" that some of the newer boats that carry these motors have had stringer/knee work done to accomodate the power.
I may be wrong but I don't think that the target market of the f300/350 - "Designed primarily to satisfy the growing demand for light, compact, space-saving engines to power the larger breed of offshore boats"- is the twin to single on an older boat boater.
Everybody is trying to argue with Glen, but I agree with him. I would not buy a Yamaha F300. I think the f350 is a great idea and is probably an awesome motor. I think that a 300 suzuki would be a much better option than the F300. It has a much better power to weight ratio, their hole-shot is awesome, and their fuel economy is excellent. For the person that said this "Static water line wouldn't change and the balance of the boat would remain as the designers orginally intended." Imagine all the different ways to keep your waterline the same. Moving a few feet forward of the transom, you could put an extra 300+ pounds on the boat (two women, more beer, more fish.. etc.). I rarely see people complain that their engines aren't heavy enough. For those people the Y300 is a great idea. Why would Yamaha build a motor for these few people? The question originally was that a guy is getting rid of Twin 225's and what engine should he go with. Horsepower limitations are definitely not an issue!.. so why would you recommend a Y300 over a Verado, Suzuki, Etec? If you are in an area that has Yamaha service, you probably have service for some other brand as well. When Suzuki came out with a few of their engines, the engine lost weight every year by chaging manifolds to plastic and other similar changes. Hopefully they will find a way to produce a lighter F300.
Whaler27 - 2/17/2008 7:05 AM....................... So the F300 seems to be the round peg for the round hole in this case or any other older boat setup where 300 hp was the maxum in the form of twin 2-stroke 150s.
I hadn't thought about the 300hp rated boats, and I agree...I had a 24 Grady once with twin 150's (one blown) and put a 220 Yamaha I had on it.. A F300 (or Suzy or Vrat or Opti) would have worked real well on it...
I have a friend with a 25 Outrage, currently running a 225 Opti and loving it, had a3.4 Merc before it. When that 275 was new, that boat would fly... Any of the above 300's would breathe some serious life into it again.
And there is your answer right there on page one......great post. Oh yeah, by my count.....Tom=1 Glen=0
There are certain days when I would consider not stopping if Glen were to wander aimlessly into the street engrossed in his Blackberry going for post number 15k. But then there are those other days when he shines. The other days are getting fewer and fewer.
And there is your answer right there on page one......great post. Oh yeah, by my count.....Tom=1 Glen=0
There are certain days when I would consider not stopping if Glen were to wander aimlessly into the street engrossed in his Blackberry going for post number 15k. But then there are those other days when he shines. The other days are getting fewer and fewer.
rotordriver - 2/17/2008 11:15 AM ..........The argument was about the F300, not the F350.
Really??? This is the opriginal post in this thread:
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rharris - 2/15/2008 11:04 PM What do y'all think about replacing twin 225's with a single 300 zuke or 350 yamaha on a wahoo 2600cc boat? .........................
From the original Post
So there...
Please gentlemen, dispense with childish sh!t... We are talking outboard motors for boats, not about family members!
I think Tom effectively made his point on both accounts.......lot to be said for displacement and 2 extra soup cans. Weight is important but not everything. However, attitude aside, I think Glen will ultimately be right in that the y300 will fade away in favor of the y350.
The argument that there is no need for the F300 because it is nothing more than a de-tuned F350 does not hold water.
Come on, it is not news to anybody that outboards are made in broad range of horsepowers but are made on a limited number of platforms. If it is stupid to buy an F300 because you could get an F350 then you must argue that it is stupid to buy an F225 when you can buy an F250...or a V275 (or V200, V225, V250) when you can buy a V300...or an E-TEC250 when you can have an E-TEC 300.
The folly with that reasoning is that you will then be force to argue that about 75 percent of all outboards today would be a stupid purchase because they are built on platforms that also come in higher horsepowers.
The outboard industry has been doing this for longer than I have been alive. It is very old news.
I think the problem that Yamaha has to overcome is that they brought out the F350 first and then announced the F300 later. Just how many F225's do you think they would have sold had the F250 been out first. In the past for the most part it has gone up in HP not down.
I think the problem that Yamaha has to overcome is that they brought out the F350 first and then announced the F300 later. Just how many F225's do you think they would have sold had the F250 been out first. In the past for the most part it has gone up in HP not down.
Exactly....this thread has degenerated to people who want to disagree with my premise-or some newcomer that wants me to die in a car accident! Wow....3 years ago these same two etec guys were writing reams about how heavy the V was and now the f350 is "perfect" for repowers..... (check the $$ on a 100 hour check on these V8 motors vs a etec or Z 300) ....hypocrites......
Exactly....this thread has degenerated to people who want to disagree with my premise-or some newcomer that wants me to die in a car accident!
Not to worry....just a figure of speech.
I'm not "worried" jerkeed...I don't like it.......and I don't like being told becasue I have a lot of posts and a stainless anchor, I'm and nerd and giorly.......where do you get off?
and would never wish that to anyone on a website....stay off my posts and I'lll stay off yours....
Since the OP was asking what to replace twin 225's with, you really think the 300 would be enough? Doubt it. 350 might get the numbers you want, not the F300 for sure.....
seeing as the opti/etec 300's make great hp and weigh about 6 million lbs less than Yam offerings..that is the way to go...period...neither require rewiring , new batts or other fly by wire tehnicalities......the op asked about the zuke vs the Y350...the zuke is the better answer..MUCH CHEAPER and MUCH BETTER MPG......
Glen, I will post where ever, and say whatever to whom ever I please. My only promise is that I will refrain from talking up or down to other posters (regardless of how many posts) or use childish language. My earlier comment was evoked by a spontaneous "funny" visualization of you aimlessly wandering in and out of the street traffic engrossed in a Blackberry (THT) instead of paying attention to your surroundings.
As far as real life goes, I do not use the Internet to get my personal needs met. My personal needs are met by my family and friends, albeit much of the time fishing and cruising. What someone says to or about me on the Net is taken with a "grain of salt".
In this case, I think that one is fair game to poke "fun" of when they have and flaunt an awesome/impressive/expensive CC fishing boat as you do with all the bells and whistles but doesn't really fish or want to scratch their stainless steel anchor; and one who drives a very expensive BMW automobile and likely spends little time getting their "hands dirty" either with the automobile or the boat. To me that is just plain funny and a contradiction.
The number of posts is not relevant, but your reaction to other peoples points of view in spite of your number of posts is what draws attention to your negatively and sometimes humorous and childish responses. It's almost like if we don't play ball by your rules then you are going to take your ball and go home. That's unfortunate, but it's OK.
Re: single 300 zuke vs 350 yammie on 26cc?? 
