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Old 10-07-2002, 06:42 PM
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This weekend while fishing in Lockwood Folly inlet this I saw something that I guess rubbed me the wrong way. There was a big King Mack fishing tourney out of Southport. I understand that it was big money and for sure all the big boys were fishing, 150 boats is what I understand.

This is also the beginning of Spot fishing season. Many people fish at this time of season if no other in this local area. You will see all sorts of boats, many overloaded or not as seaworthy as one would hope. Certainly not trying to justify this type behavior, just stating what I observe year after year. You also see many small Jon boats with people trying to catch these panfish. Many people less fortunate and not able to afford of the monster boats I saw and hopefully will own.

Here's what I observed. Many of these SKA fishermen came thru the inlet wide open. They can plainly see the tremendous crowd of people in and along the waterway and inlet. For sure, these are very capable boats, almost all with 2 and 3 outboard powerplants. I’m not talking about a boat or two. There had to be at least 15 to 20 boats that I saw do this. It seemed that they have absolutely no regard for any of the other smaller craft. Basically, the hell with them, let them drink my wake type attitude. I saw several people holding on for dear life from all the rocking going on. Not only did the ones coming in from the ocean go full bore, but also the crafts coming from Southport area toward Ocean Isle thru the waterway did the same thing. I saw one small boat, 15 to 17 foot get totally swamped from the wake these guys were throwing. I was able to help the guy out with a couple buckets so he could get the water out of his boat. Took a little while.

For sure, Testosterone was oozing out of the water around these fellers. To me, it was just an arrogant bunch of A-holes with money to burn who could care less about anyone else less. Let the big dog eat, and forget the rest. Not a good representation for the SKA in my opinion. I also heard conversations at the ramp while loading professing a similar opinion. Of course, I don’t know if these guys were SKA members or not, but these were some serious high dollar boats with graphics and sponsor emblems blazoned all over. To the crews that took the additional few moments to slow down and work thru this one crowded area, kudos’. To the rest, so sad. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]
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LOL! Sounds like every weekend along the ICW between Ft. Laud and Boca Raton

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Old 10-07-2002, 06:53 PM
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Yea, I suppose so. I guess that's just the way it is probably in many places. Also, I should have posted this in Dockside Chat.
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Money does outweigh courtesy, respect or brains. But this is all over. Glad you could help the guys out. Callin g or writing one or more of the sponsors with negative feedback might cause a small amount of respect to be generated, also CG might have a comment or two regards the boat wakes. Might also jump on some of the folks overloading or over reaching with too small of boats or safety gear, but thats not all bad either.
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And Here Is The Other Side
When there is a spot run in progress, the smaller boats almost block the Intercoastal Water Way at the Lockwood Folly Inlet. Boats are always tied off from the channel markers. This portion of the waterway is used by a lot of shrimp boats and the boats fishing in the waterway show no courtesy at all. When we run this channel, we always slow down because you have to in order to safely travel. I think the arrogance is a two-way street in this case. Don't disobey the laws just because there is a good bite on.
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I do not think that you have the right to drown them no matter where they park. Large boats make large wakes, and multiple boats running/racing together make super wakes as one wave rides on another.
Next time write down the sponsors and post them.
It is just that simple. And if someone gets hurt, the info will help some trial lawyer buy a new house.
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Mr Saunders- "where they PARK"??? oh boy!!
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Legallly who would be respnsible, not if one boat hits the other but with the wakes, anyone know??

Sounds like a lot of issues at hand.

Are these Spot fisherman in the middle of the Channel???

Do the SKA fishermen come within a boatlength or a few boatlenghts of the Spot fishermen??
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:51 PM
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Sure, these King fishermen catch Kings, but a dopey cat like me in a little boat catches nearly as many as they do.

They sure look good hauling ass in their .ontenders, though.

Still, the number of Spot fishermen they can scuttle adds a small bonus to their score.

At least the Spot guys get something good to eat for their efforts.

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Like Les said...There is always two sides to a story. Think of it this way. Taking a boat too small or unstable to handle a boat wake into a high speed high traffic area is the boating equivelent of taking a moped on the interstate. I don't know the area and I wasn't there so I can't say who was right or wrong or if there was even a wrong in this incident, but I just wanted to point out the other side.

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Weaver,

I agree with you on a practical level, but on a personal level I think we need to give others a break sometimes.

I used to see people in their kayaks on the Santa Rosa sound, a completely legitimate activity, and they co-mingled with other craft. Just because they are in a small boat does not mean that they should bear the brunt of brazen fools.

Still, you are right in the fact that you must manage the risk. If you paddle your kayak into the channel on a misty morning and a barge runs you down, bad on ya.

Still, if the smaller vessel is in full view, it might take, what, two or three minutes to throttle back and give way around?

Tons of people jig for bait in the East Pass at Destin, and many drift into the channel while they're at it. Sure, you could make the case that you blasted through the channel and these people were in your way, but I bet the CG would see it differently.

I think it's more of a question of people thinking only of themselves, and not yielding just a hair to their fellow mariners.

The reason the King guys don't go blasting throught the East Pass is because they are the ones floating in the channel jigging for bait.

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This situation sounds very similar to a local waterway in my area. Indeed there is another side to the coin. There are a number of smaller craft fishing a popular local inlet. The inlet can be trecherous at times for navigation because of the current and swells. Larger boats running the inlet must maintain cruising speed to safely navigate but the small craft clog the inlet with their activities. Bottom line is that those small craft should not be there impeding the way of vessels trying to safely navigate the channel. Doing so these small boats know quite well that they are taking their chances in a navigable channel. When possible I agree that we should all be a little more courteous to other boaters but when those smaller boats create a hazzard to navigation then that is on them!
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Capt tangles,

Yessir, but...

If a small boat is able to drift of anchor in an inlet,

then where is the "danger" for the larger craft.

I think it is something more.

If I had a nickel for everytime some person rode a jet ski in front of me while I navigated the inlet, or a penny for when some crazy numbnutts in a 54 foot Hatteras tried to plow me down, my anchor would be copper plated.

If a small craft is in the inlet, you could change course a few degrees, even though I know that might cost a couple of hundred yards of precious fuel.

If I was to lay down my cap on the side of right, I would say that most .ssholes go way overboard as they "persecute" their safe navigation. Sure, you'd rather not see small craft anywhere in front of your bow, but guess what...

There they are.

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Without a doubt, that inlet does get overcrowded during a heavy spot run. People do anchor in the strangest and wrong places. That for sure is wrong and I see where it is a nightmare for large boats this time of season. It's not the right thing to do. Some of the vessels shouldn't be out there. No, it's not right. I have seen the CG have a field day in that inlet. Probably filled the yearly quota in a couple hours, and rightly so. I frequently observe vessels within CG requirements with children in a small boat. Great time to take a kid fishing when the fish are biting like crazy. I sure wouldn't want to think I caused an injury or even just scared some kids just so I could impress with my bad-to-the-bone boat. But, I don't feel these operators think along these lines.

It is a small area, so these SKA rockets almost can't help but come within 3 boat lengths (or closer) of the anchored boats. It's also not the right thing to do to come blasting through either. Good analogy about the interstate and mopeds, slow older cars, or elderly people. When I see this on the interstate, I don't buzz them with my Tundra to see if the air blast can teach them a lesson and show them where they belong. I actually give extra leeway attempting to avoid a situation or accident in which nobody wins.

I'm not trying to bash anyone, but a small bit of understanding sure can go a long way.
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Hi Mark,
The problem I refer to is this way. The inlet gets good swells where you have to time the sets and run on the crest to enter the inlet. Falling in the trough can cause you to bottom out at certain tidal conditions. Once between the rock piles you could throttle down to give the small drifting boats some courtesy but then you would have the slew of other vessels running that inlet coming through your transom. Ya gotta think of whats behind you as well as whats in front of you. Granted this doesn't account for all situations but it is all too commonplace in the nasty Indian River Inlet off of Delaware.
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OK, Capttangles, I'll cede you that, then.. it is probably consistent behavior to mantain steady speed and course through the inlet.

I personally haven't seen the "spot" run, so I don't speak from experience, but the way some describe it, people are out there in bathtubs and Tom Sawyer rafts.

I guess there's room for improvement on both sides.

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it seems to be the new attitude,THE GUY WITH THE
FASTER OR BIGGER BOAT HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT SUCKS !!!!!!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif[/img]
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I have seen and been on both sides of this issue many times. In my opinion, anchoring in an inlet is much like parking on a freeway. Although you should proceed with caution, it is the responsibility of the anchored vessel to watch out for the traffic moving through the inlet.

We have a jetty system in Galveston with a "cut" about 20 ft wide on the North side. Some guys choose to anchor right in the middle of the cut where traffic needs to safely move through the inlet. They raise all kinds of hell when you rock their boat while passing. In fact, if the would anchor off to the side, everyone would be happy. If their is not a "No Wake Zone" in the inlet, then the King Mac boats are not doing anything wrong. Although some may lack the common courtesy that we were brought up with, they still have the right of way. Little boats should anchor of drift with caution in those situations.

Common sense should prevail on the water at all times. Some of us just have more than others.

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I don't disagree with your point that throwing a wake that swamps another boat is a bad idea.


BUT GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT!!!!

The SKA HAS REFUSED TO sanction the tournament you are talking about --- the US Open. The SKA takes a lot of abuse on this board, but it is not deserved in this case. The SKA has disassociated itself from this tournament for reasons related to fish take.

How about going back and editing your post to reflect what those boats really were "KINGFISH TOURNAMENT BOATS" or "US OPEN BOATS" or "US ANGLERS ASSOCATION BOATS" but not SKA boats.

Thanks.
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Heck,
I've had problems navigating the intercoastal waterway this time of year in my 17 ft-er. I agree they shouldn't anchor up in the channel. It can be like running those slow obstacle courses we did as kids on our bikes. I've also been swamped with a wave in the Shallotte inlet as well as having had my wife hit her head on the windsheild in Morehead (in front of the port where there is now a No Wake zone). I've never seen the spot boats anchored in the treacherous part of any inlet (yet?) and believe we can all slow down for them. "Them" because I prefer king fishing over spot fishing.
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Good topic Round2it, sure to stir some emotions ups!! First off the US Open is the tournament that was held the weekend of 10-5. It is not SKA sanctioned so the SKA has nothing to do with it. No biggy, just setting the record straight. Second, there were over 500 boats, 506 I believe so there was a lot of opportunity for poor behavior. This is a big problem this time of year and I have been one of the boats zipping through the little boats in the past (not this weekend). I have a few thoughts. One, the spot fisherman need to realize that blocking the channel is illegal. I have seen the Coast Guard have to clear the channel at Island Harbor near Swansboro several times a day so larger boats can go through. I am always amazed that they will anchor up right in the middle of the ICW. Not very smart, that,s for sure. I also think the larger boats need to excercise good judgement and not run the spot boats over just because they are anchored in the middle of the channel. I do know one of the reasons we often stay on plane when passing these boats is that our wake is considerably smaller when we are on plane unless we go to a true no-wake speed. Of course, tournament fisherman are always in a hurry and that makes the problem worse. I doubt that would help us if someone were hurt as we are responsible for our wake. Bottom line is two wrongs don't make a right and I believe the boat anchored in the middle of the channel would win, in court that is, if my wake sinks his boat. I just wish we could get the d&*^&*^% spot fisherman to leave the channel open.

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