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Old 01-12-2008, 11:18 PM
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Default Best seaworthy fishing Boat for the new" green "(and expensive fuel) age

Gas is going nowhere but up over the medium term. Waves and wind are just as big as they were when fuel was cheap, and houses were still ATM's. Some say bigger /stronger with global warming.
If fishing and boating and fun are still in your blood...and they are if you are looking at this....you might want to consider the best long term future boat.
My guess is twin 4 cylinder 4 strokes drive the choice. Safety and economy and fishability.
Maybe diesel , but it is a p.i.t.A.
Probably Zuke 175's or Yam 150's. Maybe Zuke 140's or Yam 115's if you go small.
Pangas only if gas gets to $6.00 - $ 7.00
a gallon in today's dollars.
30 ++ mph cruise and at least 18 to 20 degrees deadrise a big plus. 25 to 28 feet and probably centre console or walkaround will win.
The best designers are probably thinking of this now.
Maybe someone will build a really good riding 22 or 23 with a 200 single.
Who will get this game ,and what would you pick ?

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Canyon Bay makes a 24ft boat that has a 18 degree deadrise and it gets 3.1 mpg at 44 mph with an evinrude 250 e-tec. It gets even better gas mileage with a Mercury Pro XS Optimax 250 and less with the Yamaha F250. I have run all these motors on this boat. I have had it in 4-6' on the east coast of Florida and I have also run it in water that is just above my ankles on plane. It does everything I need it to do and more. My cruise is around 36 mph at 3.7 mpg right now. Somedays I can get better than that. I also have a range of about 375 miles.
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:43 AM
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It's not so much the boat...........as the engine too.
For example, on my 94' D Vee Mako cc, I swapped out the old 94' Johnson carb'd 150hp for a big block 3.3liter 05' Evinrude 200hp DFI.
I actually get BETTER fuel economy with the bigger engine at higher cruising speeds, and MUCH better fuel economy.

So, for best reasonable economy, go with a one engine rig, with new technology engine - Yam HPDI, Rude DFI, Merc Opti...........all good fuel economy.
If you want to go all the way - then get a boat with a small diesel, but consider the cost and speed.
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I meant much better fuel economy plus much better performance with the DFI.

So, in summary, a good used boat, with a newer, fuel economical engine is the ticket.
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If you want economy, range, and seaworthy (for offshore), then you have the wrong package.

Think a downeast style boat, displacement or semi-displacement hull, with a single inboard diesel. What you give up is speed. But you have to give up something to get to 4 mpg.
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You can go fast or you can go far. I'm thinking my next boat might be a small (21' or 22') downeast with zero degrees of deadrise, a sharp entry, and can be pushed easiyl with 75hp. I'm ok with 16 knots.
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If you want economy, range, and seaworthy (for offshore), then you have the wrong package.

Think a downeast style boat, displacement or semi-displacement hull, with a single inboard diesel. What you give up is speed. But you have to give up something to get to 4 mpg.
Speed and economy depend upon a number of variables. Working, downeast-design, semi-displacement hulls with a single inboard have hit speeds of 62 mph (gasoline) and 55 mph (diesel) at sanctioned events and were back lobstering the next day.

One gives up a great deal for a full displacement hull - top speed is roughly the square root of the waterline length. 25' WTL = 5 kts.
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Everything old is new again.
The old style semi displacement hulls if not over driven can give you the ride and economy. On the other hand of you want to fly around at 30 MPH your going to be dropping some $$$ in the fuel tank.
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It's not so much the boat...........as the engine too.
For example, on my 94' D Vee Mako cc, I swapped out the old 94' Johnson carb'd 150hp for a big block 3.3liter 05' Evinrude 200hp DFI.
I actually get BETTER fuel economy with the bigger engine at higher cruising speeds, and MUCH better fuel economy.

So, for best reasonable economy, go with a one engine rig, with new technology engine - Yam HPDI, Rude DFI, Merc Opti...........all good fuel economy.
If you want to go all the way - then get a boat with a small diesel, but consider the cost and speed.
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Is there a power to weight ratio that can be applied on deep-V's for getting optium performance and economy?
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Just can not have it all. Speed, Ride, Economy, Fit n Finish, Initial Capital Acquistion.

How about a YF w/ Quad? 70mph easily over 10' wave with 5+ mpg. Not to mention you can almost drink from the bilage and only cost a mere third of 7 figures.
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Sometimes you just need more than one boat,or two,or three.
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+1 on displacement hulls. I have a 28' sailboat which can motor (w/out sails up) in the ICW from Key Largo to Fort Lauderdale @ 6 knots on less than 20 gallons of diesel. Of course with the sails up it uses no fuel. a good downeast power boat w/ similar motor would do even better. Plus displacement hulls are very seaworthy & diesel motors last much longer w/ less maintenance. The only problem w/ displacement hulls is if your over power them they don't go any faster just throw a huge wake. There's also semi-displacement hulls, which can get on a plane but handle squirrely.
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For an offshore ride with economy there are two directions. First is a 26-30' narrow beam deep vee that can be pushed with a single like a 26 Seavee, Rabco, Superboat ect.. They will ride great and get 2-3mpg.

The second is a Diesel IO which extends economy to more different kinds of boats. The most extreme being a Panga. The diesel will allow great economy with a heavy great riding boat like a Carolina Classic or go bigger and have speed with three mpg in a 32 Mirage. Lots of options.

IMO any time you add a second engine, even a four cylinder, it cuts economy. I would rather have a single 250 or 300 than twin 150s on most boats.
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Man Made Global warming is a man made lie to raise your taxes. It should not even be a consideration when determining what type of boat to buy.
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