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Old 12-19-2007, 05:44 PM
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Default Johnson Bombadier 2 strokes, The good, the bad and the ugly

Don't know much about these motors anyone have any experiences?
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Medic, I've got experiences, but to give you anything really useful I'd need to know a bit more, like which one in particular? In general though there's nothing ugly or bad I can think of, except maybe they all like gas and oil.
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It is a 2003 150 sitting on a 2003 sea pro 206 cc. Don't know much else yet as I haven't seen the boat in person. What is the average fuel burn for the 150 in this configuration? Are they dependable? It is still under warrenty however I am sure it is running out soon.
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It is a 2003 150 sitting on a 2003 sea pro 206 cc. Don't know much else yet as I haven't seen the boat in person. What is the average fuel burn for the 150 in this configuration? Are they dependable? It is still under warrenty however I am sure it is running out soon.
Classic or Ficht?

I think Js were 2 stroke classic or zuki 3 stroke. Should be bullet proof and hungry unless it's been sitting unused for more than 6 mos.

When well kept they last for more than 20 yrs. Look around and you'll see a lot of really old ones still chugging/humming along. The more use/hours the better. They do not like to sit around idle. They get really nasty and cranky when ignored.

I had a Rude classic 2 stroker for 11 yrs and it always ran right. I put about 500+ hrs a year on it. On a 20' boat I averaged 3.5 to 4 mpg at 4200 rpm steady. The new owner used it to dig canals in keys. I understand he's dug up quite a few in last couple o years.

PS. At 2ooo to 3000 rpms it got a lil over 1.6 mpg.. Trick is to maintain less than 1600 or more than 3000 rpms to get decent mileage.
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A 150 on a 20' is a good combination, and like Solarfly says, around 1.6 mpg. It's a good engine, dependable, and has the best bottom end acceleration of any engine I've ever run.
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I've got a 04 150HP Johnson on 210 Sea Boss {almost same hull as Sea Pro} I get 2.4 mpg at 4000 rpm 31 mph, 3 peaple, gear,50 gal fuel, calm water any faster or slower gas milage goes to pot.
I have about 550 hrs, runs great,
hard to start when its COLD.
I have a 20 year old 90 with3800 hrs on 18ft boat still runs great
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I have a 2003 Johnson 150. What do you want to know? It's a great engine, very quiet for a V6 2-stroke but a bit thirsty. Figure 9+ GPH at 4000 RPM. Probably about 16-17 GPH at WOT.

Like all used motors, get it checked out for the usual things, compression, etc.
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I think it is a classic. Thanks for all of the info that you guys have shared. I have also found an 04 sea pro 206 with a yamaha 150 fuel injected SX-66. I am tryiong to decide between these two rigs. The johnson also sits on a 2003 sea pro 206. I would prefer a 4 stroke for the fuel but these 2 are clean and ready to fish. I haven't found any local to me with 4 dtrokes. I don't know much about the yamaha either so any of youguys have info on this one? I REALLY like the boat that is listed in the for sale section. 2006 sea pro 206 with the 225 mercury 4 stroke. A litle far from me but at the price may be well worht the ride! Thanks
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You really can't go wrong with either the Johnson or the Yamaha Ox66. The Johnson is a bit simpler to maintain.
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they are a very good engine
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Anyone know about fuel burn with the yamaha? What makes the yamaha more difficult to maintain?
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The biggest difference you will see is the OX-66 will start instantly, every time (fuel injected).. Nothing with carbs does that... Both are very dependable motors, same maintenance. If anything, you might have to rebuild carbs at some point on the Johnson. I would prefer the Yam because of the fuel injection, but I wouldn't pay a whole lot extra for it... As for fuel burn they're going to be very close...
How much difference in the $ between the 2 boats, and is that the only other difference?
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The 2003 is being sold by an individual with only a basic hummingbird fish finder asking $17500. The 2004 is at a localk dealer on consignment with a Ray Marine DS-500-X Fish finder, Furuno GP-32 GPS, Icom VHF Radio W/ Digital Antenna & Full Instrumentation, and Trim tabs asking $21,995. Both come with dual axle trailers. T-tops with electronics boxes all cushions.
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The Yamaha has a VST which may need cleaning and an oxygen sensor which requires running RingFree all the time to keep it clean. The Johnson does not. If the O2 sensor gets dirty, the motor runs like CHIT. I had a 225 HP Ox66 for 4 years and the Johnson starts almost as easily as the Ox66 did.

For $4K less, I'd go with the Johnson 150. You can buy alot of electronics for $2500 and still have $2000 left for gas.
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Altho I totally disagree with Whaler27, I do agree on buying the 03.. That's why I asked how much $... The 04 is worth more, but not $4k more IMHO..
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You cannot go wrong with the Johnson 150.
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Altho I totally disagree with Whaler27, I do agree on buying the 03.. That's why I asked how much $... The 04 is worth more, but not $4k more IMHO..
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I have a pair of 0X-66's with 900+hours on my Grady, had another on my old Grady. Never had an issue with 02 sensors. We have had issues with the VST filters since ethanol.... There is no way a carbed motor starts like the EFI..... Period
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Good for you. Maybe I had a bad Ox66 but mine would get dirty and then cause the plugs to foul, RPMs would drop and running quality would become poor. I'd have to shock treat the fuel with RingFree to get running right. The Johnson doesn't have that problem, it just runs and no RingFree. Don't get me wrong, the Ox66 was a good motor keeping that O2 sensor clean was its only weakness.

Only difference between starting the Johnson and starting the Yamaha is I MIGHT have to push the key in once for a quick bump to the primer for a 1/2 second. Never, ever, ever touch the throttle.
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It is a 2003 150 sitting on a 2003 sea pro 206 cc. Don't know much else yet as I haven't seen the boat in person. What is the average fuel burn for the 150 in this configuration? Are they dependable? It is still under warrenty however I am sure it is running out soon.
Classic or Ficht?

I think Js were 2 stroke classic or zuki 3 stroke. Should be bullet proof and hungry unless it's been sitting unused for more than 6 mos.

When well kept they last for more than 20 yrs. Look around and you'll see a lot of really old ones still chugging/humming along. The more use/hours the better. They do not like to sit around idle. They get really nasty and cranky when ignored.

I had a Rude classic 2 stroker for 11 yrs and it always ran right. I put about 500+ hrs a year on it. On a 20' boat I averaged 3.5 to 4 mpg at 4200 rpm steady. The new owner used it to dig canals in keys. I understand he's dug up quite a few in last couple o years.

PS. At 2ooo to 3000 rpms it got a lil over 1.6 mpg.. Trick is to maintain less than 1600 or more than 3000 rpms to get decent mileage.
BTW: My Rude Classic always started on first touch of key. If you are having problems with startup your need to check Carb float, needle, choke and fuel line. After a couple o yrs fuel line gets lil pinholes that allow fuel to back down from carbs. Sometimes float needle wears out and lets gas evap out of bowl. I had to replace fuel lines every 6 yrs cause it was stored in sun and sun killed fuel line. After all those hours lower unit seals also had to be replaced at 10 yrs.

There are also two diff plug ranges for motor. One for full time high speed use (4500+ RPMS) and another if you do a lot of idling. Like trolling, manatee season, intracoastal or getting out to ocean I used the hotter plug and never had a problem with them.
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