1990 Boston Whaler Outrage vs. water - The Hull Truth

swampu · 12-07-2007, 04:45 PM

Anybody have any suggestions about a 25' outrage, I had a 22' but didn't take it too far out, not much of a side between me and the water, not much of a transom didn't trust it, any good stories? I know they are unsinkable and all but I don't want to float around and loose all my gear and fish

Reelescape1 · 12-07-2007, 05:27 PM

I fished a '90 22' OR for 9 years. It's a young man's offshore boat but a very predictable, stable ride. It's not fast and rides hard and very dry. The 25 is a very nice boat that does not require the HP that a lot of 25' CC boats need.

Bamaskeetshooter · 12-07-2007, 05:41 PM

I fished a number of times at the canyon ( 100 miles off N.J. ) in a 25 Whaler. It's a great boat. Freeboard has no relationship to seaworthness. Sometimes freeboard can keep water in a boat instead of out of the boat.

swampu · 12-07-2007, 08:09 PM

I never thought of that bama, buddy of mine got dumped on in a 25 or so contender and just like you said the water stayed in, the tuna door fell off and one engine kept running and the water went out, shut em down though

homey · 12-07-2007, 09:21 PM

Lower gunnels make it easier to haul a big tuna over and into the boat.....Bluefin Tuna caught 30+miles off Maryland coast on a 25 Outrage.....

The 25 Outrage is very capable offshore and I go 60+miles out every year. The smirk bow makes it dry as a bone, and the 18 deg deadrise is a nice combination of ride and stability. Huge in deck fishbox - storage compartment. Checkout www.whalercentral.com

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high'n'dry · 12-07-2007, 09:22 PM

What is your question? Whalers like several other boats are specifically and purposely designed with lower freeboard. Their high bouyancy and flotation coupled with lower freeboard means there is simply no way to put enough water in them to put them down. It isn't just the foam core that Whaler touts, it is the design, the combination of features, foam core throughout including sides, lower freeboard, notched transom that allows the Whaler to shed water and stay on top. The Whaler haters and bashers can say what they wish but you don't find many Whalers with only the point of the bow sticking out of the water, one mile offshore or one hundred.

H&D

John_Madison CT · 12-08-2007, 05:17 AM

http://continuouswave.com/cgi-bin/Ul...i?action=intro

This will keep you reading for a few days, at least. The "search" function sucks on this Whaler website, but there is lots of content. For some reason the owner of ContinuousWave refuses to update things so you can post pics and stuff. It's really too bad.

Anyway, the 25' Outrage is a beast of a boat. I owned a 22' Outrage with a Whaler Drive, making it a very large 22' boat with a sizeable fishing area.

Whaler27 · 12-08-2007, 08:07 AM

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swampu - 12/7/2007 6:45 PM

Anybody have any suggestions about a 25' outrage, I had a 22' but didn't take it too far out, not much of a side between me and the water, not much of a transom didn't trust it, any good stories? I know they are unsinkable and all but I don't want to float around and loose all my gear and fish

Ever see a 25' Outrage do this? ==> http://www.thebigrock.com/PolePosition/default.asp. High gunnels and a full transom didn't save this boat.

The Whaler is purposely designed to shed water quickly and remain stable while doing so in the rare event the cockpit becomes flooded. For example, in addition to the low freeboard, notice that the transom on the 25 Outrage has no corners, it has a curved surface from the transom to the gunnel surface. As such that the water can't get easily piled up into the corner while running out the transom causing the boat to list severely to one side or another. That smooth shape allows the notch to be made wide to shed water quickly and keep the water flowing out down low and spread out wide. Also, the power head stays above water.

So yeah, you could lose your tackle or fish, but lot less likely to lose your life because the boat came out from under you. Obviously its up to you to decide which is more important.

homey · 12-09-2007, 09:45 AM

Whaler27,

Tried the link, "Page Cannot Be Found" pops up....

swampu · 12-09-2007, 03:25 PM

http://www.thebigrock.com/PolePosition
Try that Homey

Ironwoodtuna · 12-09-2007, 04:15 PM

I had and customized a 22' revenge with a full new aluminum cabin and hardtop, with a full transom splash plate, Armstrong outjack bracket with a new 1997 Yamaha 225 outboard and secondary 30-gallon fuel cell in the old bait tank area. The older boats (pre 1993 Dee Vee era) has many Pros and Cons and IMO, here thay are as I see them and experienced them:

THE PROs:
1. Stable and unsinkable for the safety factor.
2. THey kinda ride like a surfboard in big following seas. I got caught in two really bad really big storms with breaking seas on one trip int he 15' range in the -rips of Montauk, the second time we got caught off Block Island with 55-knot N.W. winds against an incoming tide, and there was already a 10' to 12' swell going on, in less than 15-minutes we had 20'+ breaking seas to deal with, it took us 2.5-hours to make a 20-minute run to safer waters, basically we were riding up these giant waves breaking waves at 6-7knots then surfing down the faces of the monsters. In both cases my custon built aluminum hardtop I beleive ment the difference from the breaking waves from crashing and swamping our boat and washing us out of the boat. IMO, the aluminum hardtop was a key difference in our survival.
3. Low free board makes reaching for the fish easy.
4. Lighter weiht than other boats their size for easier trilering with smaller SUVs.

THE CONs:
1.The closed cell foam keeps soaking up water and gaining weight from water infiltration and sweating.
2. The low freeboards make it very easy to get thrown overboard wit fishing in a beam-to-sea while drift fishing.
3. The thin fiberglass skins require bunk trailers because roller trailers will pressure delaminate the foam to the thin glass.
4. The bunk trailers are a real nightmare and I USE TO HAVE TO SUBMERGE MY TRAILER AND TRUCK RIGHT UP TO THE BUMPER TO GET THE BOAT ON.
5. The older boats do not have large enough fuel capacity for true NE offshore canyon fishing. Fuel bladders are an absolute must which are a headache.
6. The older transoms seperated and the plywood rots out making the transom weak with the outboards.
7. The light weight, shallow draft makes the boat drift very, very fast which left us catching more but smaller stripers in the rips of Montauk.
8. The tri-hull design of the older Whaler hulls 19' to 27' makes them very, very very hard riding. Both myself and my partner got bone spurs and destroyed our knees and back due to the hard ride. They SMASH into a HEAD sea and as they fall off of waves, they seem to crash like bowling balls hitting concrete. And I am talking about everyday 3-4' choppy seas, gets bone crushing ride gets much worse in 4-5' seas.
9. I have not personally experienced the ride on the 27' offshores but from a business aquantence, he sold the boat after just two seasons because he couldn't take the discomfort in the ride.

In the below photos you will see the low freeboard/gunnels, the low broad bow flare that creates the pounding ride as well as the very user friendly aluminum hardtop. I also had a aluminum hardtop on a 19' Outrage which pounded just as bad. Good luck! IMO, I think there are alot beter riding boats for offshore in the same price range.
I think that Whalers new Deep Vee design is far superior, but I still don't like the foam for strength, give me more, well laid up fiberglass and stringers for strength.

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homey · 12-09-2007, 08:02 PM

Ironwoodtuna,

The original poster was requesting information on a 25 Outrage not a 22 Revenge? Clearly these 2 hulls have different riding and handling characteristics. Im not surprised your 22 Revenge with that huge superstructure rode hard...

Your Cons and my real world experience on a 25 Outrage.
1. The foam will soak up some water when its exposed or not properly sealed..-Never heard of Whaler foam getting heavy from sweating?
2. Low freeboard makes it easy to get thrown overboard in a beam sea while drift fishing....-Never had this problem on a 25 Outrage which I believe has a slightly higher freeboard then your modified 22 Revenge.
3. My 25 Outrage fits perfectly on its ROLLER trailer. (see photo below). You may not be aware but the larger Outrage hulls have thicker "skins" as you call it and roller trailers are fine as long as they are fitted properly and have KEEL rollers. Obviously your hull was not fitted properly. One thing you cannot over look is the trailer supporting your boat.
4. Once again trailer to boat set up will solve the problem of you having to back the rear bumper of your truck to the water? Could it be the ramp you use is crap?
5. Not enough range to reach the NE canyons...-I guess with 70 gallons on your 22 Revenge you will need additional fuel. My 25 Outrage holds 140gallons of fuel which gives enough range to reach and fish any of the NE canyons. I know this because I actually have a 25 Outrage and fish the canyons without fuel bladders.
6. Older transoms seperated causing the plywood to rot out....-Never heard of a transom failure on a Outrage of any size. Got the pictures?
7. The lightweight and shallow draft make the boat drift fast...-I suspect the modified Aluminum super-structure on your 22 Revenge acted more like a sail causing you to drift very fast not the shallow draft.
8. The tri-hull design on the earlier hulls makes them ride very hard...-I suspect the fact your 22 Revenge hull was modified with a huge super structure it negatively affected the ride. Looking at the stern photo on your 22 I see a vee design with reversed chimes. Where is the tri-hull?...-The steering position on a 25 Outrage is in a better position then a 22 Revenge and the ride is clearly much better.
9. 27 Offshore?...-The original poster is looking for information on a 25 Outrage....

Your experience on your 22 Revenge (modified) in no way is comparable to that of my experience on my 25 Outrage. Which is the information the origainal poster was looking for....

Notice the Roller trailer, which this hull has been sitting on since 1995 with no marks, dimples, or damage. The steering position on a 22 Revenge is clearly more foreward then that of a 25 Outrage which is what the original poster was inquiring about.
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