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Old 08-23-2007, 02:57 PM
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Hi there anyone have any thoughts about the Fountain 38 SFC ???
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Old 08-23-2007, 03:33 PM
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My friend that rigs new boats with electronics (and that used to sell boats) rigged one just like you mention. did not have flattering things to say about the construction. He sees them all: donzi, grady, pursuit, cabo, riv, etc.

Although, she is a looker! Must admit I looked at it myself.
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Fishy Do you know anything about the ride???....Been in the 38 TE...Not to good, got to go to fast all the damn time to stay on top, heard this boat would stay up at slower speeds tho???
Oh and what about the construction?
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Fishy Do you know anything about the ride???....Been in the 38 TE...Not to good, got to go to fast all the damn time to stay on top, heard this boat would stay up at slower speeds tho???
Oh and what about the construction?
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:53 AM
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Can't tell you about the ride. He had complaints about the wiring, the alignment of the tower, the fit and finish in non-visible areas, etc.

I noticed that someone posted this morning about taking delivery of one of these.
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:18 PM
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Here's the real deal. I own the first of the 2008s and it has the Cummins 320 diesel sterndrives. When the boat is up and running, it is a true dream. It cruises forever at 45 mph and gets extraordinary fuel economy. The ride is awesome at those speeds. You knife through 2-3 footers without feeling anything. I rode out to Block Island in nasty 4-5 footers and had to slow to the mid 30s, with an occasional launch. Out in Nantucket Sound, running into tight steep 2-3 footers on our face, we again had a smooth ride at 40 mph. The boat is extremely comfortable to sleep in. My wife and I and our two little kids lived on the boat for 12 days, and I faced mutiny only in Martha's Vineyard, where they insisted on staying in an inn for two nights. The boat has all the amenities for a comfortable cruise. Storage space is tight, and I have to use my fishboxes to store the essentials like the electrical cords, ropes, swim ladder, and lubes. Construction quality is good. Now for the bad news. When running the boat, I noticed that the fuel sender on the port side kept dropping while the starboard side didn't. I figured one of the fuel senders or gauges was bad. Then the boat started listing. So I monitored the amounts of diesel going into each tank on refill. One took 107 gallons and the other took 14. I told the dealer something was screwed up, and on investigation we found out that someone at the factory had hooked up both engines to one fuel tank and the generator the other tank and the tanks don't share. So I was about to run out of gas for my engines even though I had a full tank. This, to me, was a serious quality control issue since I could have been 100 miles out in the ocean when this happened. The fix was simple. My next problem has been that the outdrives have been sucking up the gear lube like there' s no tomorrow. I have to fill each reservoir after running 100 miles or so, and the reservoirs have run dry before we discovered this problem. The dealer will be checking the seals. Now the worst problem I've had was running back from Nantucket home to Mamaroneck two days ago. I had run for two hours and was really proud that I was west of Block Island, heading for the Hamptons in great time and loving the great ride out in the ocean. Then the starboard engine alarm went off. I slowed and then stopped the engines and raised the engine compartment. I saw red fluid filling the bilge. I called the dealer who thought it was coolant or power steering fluid, but it looked very much like the diesel I had pumped in to the fuel tanks in Nantucket. I hailed Sea Tow who took us on a long tow into Mystic where the next morning an excellent mechanic found that one of the high pressure fuel lines had cracked and was spewing diesel. So my instinct to stop running the day before was sound. The mechanic had no replacement part so he had a welder seal the crack. This worked for another 80 miles when it cracked again off of Huntington, NY. Since I was now close to home, I continued at safe mode speed. When I docked, I again saw diesel in the bilge. So I called my Cummins mechanic who discovered that there are no replacement parts in the US. They have to be ordered from Italy. So much for boating on Labor Day weekend and for how long after. Who knows? I have been complaining bitterly to the dealer and he has contacted Fountain. How can you sell product where the Cummins mechanics haven't yet been trained on these engines and there are no spare parts in this country. I'm very upset. Meanwhile, the back of my canvas t-top has ripped, and the blue hull scratches if you look at it cross-eyed. Hopefully, these are just new boat problems that will work themselves out. But I am a pretty savvy and experienced boater and I'm pretty pissed off at Fountain at the moment, even though I think that when working this is one of the finest fishing/cruising crossovers ever designed. But is this boat a lemon?
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38 TE, One of the best riding boat on the market.
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Jilly thank you much for the feedback...I am seriously looking at one of these and now am a little concerned!!! The fuel line, and the gear lube, being the worst
Sorry to hear you are having problems...Please keep me posted!
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:09 AM
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A black Cummins is not a true Cummins.

Several dealers around the country have said that they can't get the basic filters/belts/consumables for those engines.
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:27 AM
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So maybe we should call that one a Fonzi
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Old 09-08-2007, 11:21 PM
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I have found out the reason for my inability to get spare parts on these Cummins sterndrives is that the new Cummins QSD 4.2 sterndrives are actually manufactured by VM Motori, a 60 year old Italian manufacturer of Diesels. Having woken some people up at Cummins about the servicing problems with my efforts to get the parts to repair my engine, I think the supply channels should open up pretty quickly. At least I know the right people to contact at Cummins to get parts shipped over from Italy. Still, it is absurd that Cummins started selling these engines in the U.S. this summer without having any infrastructure set up to handle repairs.
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:32 AM
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They've been selling those engines here for 3 or 4 years now.

The real surprise is that Fountain would use those engines in their boats. Why not a Volvo or Yanmar, both offer sterndrive packages.

The black Cummins are a lot less expensive than the white ones, which would be a QSB in that power range.
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A black Cummins is not a true Cummins.

Several dealers around the country have said that they can't get the basic filters/belts/consumables for those engines.
BS Cummins new color is black!
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Old 09-09-2007, 11:15 AM
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They've been selling those engines here for 3 or 4 years now.
Those motors are SHITBOXES! As someone else mentioned they are not built by cummins but are sourced from VM and coupled to the bravo drive and branded as a Cummins/Mercruiser package. Problem is that the smallest B series that would work with a sterndrive application has too much torque for any of the bravo series and cannot be economically packaged with a larger drive that can handle the torque. These motors have been problematic since day one, I actually heard a factory rep at the Miami Intl. boat show tell someone that he would never sell one to a customer, this is evidenced by the number of two three year old D-series motors that Cummins has in stock.

As far as the fountain goes I have heard the exact same criticisms from an electronics guy as the ones mentioned above, construction is HORRIBLE, rigging is laughable but they have a nice cabin interior. What I thought was funniest was that he installed all the electronics only to find out once his trick flush mounted installation was completed, the sliding door to the cabin would no longer open! Everything had to be taken apart and reinstalled with ugly plastic wedges/spacers to make the door work!
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reggie is financed by merc.

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By the way, the Cummins QDS 4.2 sterndrive diesels are white. They just have a black plastic removal cover. So I don't understand what some of you guys are calling the black Cummins versus the white Cummins.
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As far as the fountain goes I have heard the exact same criticisms from an electronics guy as the ones mentioned above, construction is HORRIBLE, rigging is laughable but they have a nice cabin interior. What I thought was funniest was that he installed all the electronics only to find out once his trick flush mounted installation was completed, the sliding door to the cabin would no longer open! Everything had to be taken apart and reinstalled with ugly plastic wedges/spacers to make the door work!
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I love the part about Fountain construction being HORRIBLE.., thats a first, sounds like your electronics guy screwed up and is trying to take it out on Fountain, it couldn't possibly have been his fault

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Hi there anyone have any thoughts about the Fountain 38 SFC ???

Don't listen to the haters that just wish they could buy one of these boats.

Unfortunately you have some issues. Merc and Cummins are some big companies. They will get it worked out for you. Call Mercruiser and get them helping you out.


That is one bad ass boat. I wish I could get one.
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Bender, I want your boat....................no the one w/ the trips !!!
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By the way, the Cummins QDS 4.2 sterndrive diesels are white. They just have a black plastic removal cover. So I don't understand what some of you guys are calling the black Cummins versus the white Cummins.
When the Italian engines were first introduced, they were black. I remember seeing a review of them on one of the tv fishing shows.

Boating is generally a conservative enterprise. Customers like continuity and tradition. Look at the reluctant acceptance of multihulls, for example. One reason for the tremendous proliferation of outboards is the flexibility in choosing repair facilities.

Steyr makes an outstanding marine diesel IMHO, but the dealer network is almost non-existent. I owned one, and it never gave me any problems, but there was always the nagging thought in the back of my mind that something might go wrong, and then what could be done? Continuity and tradition matter in these instances. Yanmar has managed to avoid some of these problems, and now are an industry standard in many areas.

It seems unfortunate that Fountain picked these particular engines to put in an otherwise fine boat. The specs of the engines are very attractive, especially for high speed, lightweight boats. But if you can't buy an oil filter from your local distributer never mind the local dealer, somethings a bit fishy. Kind of like the low bid government contract.

Btw, I bought a QSB six months ago from a dealer who didn't know the QSD even existed. I hope CMD fixes things for you.
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