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Old 09-10-2007, 02:32 AM
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I have been looking at both the QSB and the QSD 350's. First of all, the QSD's are not significantly cheaper. The QSD's are, however, about 400lbs lighter and smaller in bulk and I think this is the attraction to the engines. I am going with the QSD in the hopes CM gets the supply issue sorted out. BTW, the QSD's are wait-listed in Europe and I think this says something positive about them in a very soft market.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:50 PM
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The QSD situation is unforgiveable. When the Cummins mechanic fixed my fuel lines on my starboard engine on Tuesday, I asked him to check the port engine. Lo and behold, he found that the turbo waste gate had broken. That directs excess turbo power out of the engine so that the turbo doesn't overspin. Replacement parts -- guess what? There are no replacement parts in the U.S. yet. So we've got to get the Italians at VM Motori to express ship the parts to the U.S. once again. Bottom line, I can't run my engines over 2600 rpm until the turbo waste gate is repaired. I can't even get up on a plane at 2600 rpm. Reggie, you sold me a real lemon buddy.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:23 AM
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Man Jilly sorry to hear you are having all these problems.
PS: I've worked a lot with the 5.9 Cummins in Dodge trucks, and am not sure about those motors, but I dont think that with the stock comp. program in there you can have an over boost prob. ??? If so they must really have those things jacked way up!....Just a thought.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:00 AM
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My fuel line has been repaired and my turbo waste gate has also been repaired so I am up and running again for the time being. I was out in some nasty little 3 foot rollers from the Northeast this morning, and I've got to say it was fun blasting through them at 35 mph, and then catching a mess of big bluefish. Hopefully, I won't have any more major problems for the rest of the Northeast boating season.
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:38 AM
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sounds like to me someone has been sensative to your problems.....that was pretty quick service for the marine industry.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:53 PM
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That's the real problem with the marine industry. There is so little quality control compared to the automobile industry, and very little regard for customer service. With these high fuel prices and the sorry state of sales for boat builders, they should be jumping through hoops to keep their customers happy, and extremely attentive to quality control. I got relatively quick service because, as a lawyer, I know how to get to the right people and push the right buttons to make things happy. If I was Joe Boater, I'd still be stuck in Mystic, and Cummins still wouldn't have figured out how to get the parts.
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:02 PM
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Another engine failure -- When going out fishing with my daughter this afternoon, I throttled up right past the no wake zone. Even before I got on a plane, my starboard engine alarm sounded. I slowed down, put the engines in neutral and then stopped the engines. I opened my engine compartment and saw a clear liquid shooting out near the turbo in the aft of the engine. When I got back to the dock, we determined it was seawater, probably from the seawater cooling system for the turbo. Who knows what the problem is? Again, these Cummins Mercruiser engines are actually made in Italy by VM Motori and there are no spare parts in the US. Another big black eye for Cummins Mercruiser and a big mistake by Fountain to put these lemons as the diesel option in the 38 Sportfish Cruiser and Express Cruiser. In under 60 hours, I've had three major engine failures. This sucks.
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:38 PM
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Those motors have always sucked (the italian VM) no matter what color or what name.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:10 PM
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So Jilly what are you gona do?
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:13 PM
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Turns out this problem was a leaking raw water plug. VM Motori used a stainless steel pipe plug for the raw water cooling system and it corroded after 60 hours of use, spewing seawater into the bilge. The Cummins mechanic replaced it with a bronze plug. Apparently, these engines are used in Europe in trucks and buses. I don't think they've marinized the components. Now I've got Cummins management's attention, and they are sending over a senior engineer to inspect the engines and do a test run with me. Given the number and magnitude of my engine problems, theywill be tracking me closely. I hope I'm done with the problems but I think they really didn't marinize the engine design properly, and I expect further problems which would be bad for me and bad for Cummins and Fountain since I am an unhappy lawyer who spent a mint on this vessel.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:16 AM
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jilly - glad to hear you're back on the water, hopefully this time with no further problems. I don't know if I could have been as patient as you have been under the circumstances.

Good luck and please continue to keep us posted.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:45 AM
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M.E.K. - 9/23/2007 8:38 PM Those motors have always sucked (the italian VM) no matter what color or what name.


It's an interesting phenomenon, the VM has had an Excellent reputation in Land based diesels for years. They pioneered the common rail technologies, they supply all kinds of motors. The marine environment will certainlt expose any weeknesses. A poster to this thread had mentioned Yanmar. They have had their share of problems as well. I think they are still in the middle of that class action lawsuit on their 6-cylinder diesels.

Whomever makes a lightweight, powerfull diesel for these types of applications the DOESNT break will be in the money.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:37 AM
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Jilly any thing new???, hope things are going well with your boat.
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:55 PM
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Well, things are slowing down here in the Northeast, with a lot of recent rainy and windy weekends so I haven't been able to get out much the past few weeks. My last venture two weeks ago proved fine as no engine alarms went off and I spent an enjoyable few hours fishing. I still am awaiting fuel line sensors from Cummins as well as anodes for the heat exchangers. I've been waiting for parts now for about a month so the parts supply issue is still problematic. Finally, my Cummins dealer was able to get the diagnostic tool and software so we can now determine what the problem is when an alarm sounds. With my earlier problems like broken fuel lines or corroded raw water piping it was pretty damn obvious to see what the problem was. Cummins seems to be on top of the multitude of issues I raised with these new QSD engines and I am hopeful that they will get their act together next season. Fountain is in the process of addressing my other warranty issues. All in all it was a very painful breakin period for this vessel and I was very disappointed with how the season went. I am optimistic that things will work out better next season and hopefully I won't have to put my legal training to use. Thanks for asking Captain.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:42 PM
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Sounds like a long, tough summer, hope all continues to improve, especially the customer service support you receive.

Good luck, keep us all posted.
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When this boat came out , I tagged it as my all time "Perfect Boat" speed , eco and cruiser too ... Hope they ffix the bugs !!!
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:41 PM
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Well the Jillybird III is done for the season. On my last ride, I was out with the Cummins mechanic to see if replacing the fuel pressure sensor would do the trick. It didn't. We kept sounding the alarm every time the starboard engine hit 3600 rpm. So it wasn't the sensor. As we tested the boat, we fished for some nice schoolie stripers amidst the diving birds. Classic fall fishing. The mechanic determined the following day that the Engine Control Module for the starboard engine was screwy. He swapped out the ECM from the port engine and didn't activate any fault codes. So in the Spring we will see if this finally ends my streak of bad engine luck. Happy Holidays. The engines have been pickled for the winter.
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