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For a couple years I've been getting crap about V's being thirsty and heavy. And I really don't disagree. They are still heavy (LOL). The club members, such as Anthem, Three V's and Freejumper, started over 18 months ago saying the MPG was unacceptable and this 93/87 octane thing has got to disappear. Along with the pros from SKA, they listened. YF just got their first 300's this week with the internal improvments and we should have something to post soon, straight from them. I have posted yesterday about the better mpg...
But how powerful are the new 300's?
no better way to tell than someone who repowered from 275's to 300's on the same boat. It obvious that the 300 hp rating is on the low side...I received this via email last night:
"For whatever its worth for your members and team..
Just swapped out triple Verado 275s with brand new Verado 300s. The team at TNT Marine in Miami is just about the most qualified mechanics I have ever seen in my 20 years of boating.
The boat is a Donzi 38 ZFX. Prior to the switch, the engines were running 6300 RPM on Bravo 24 Lap Props. Top speed was 64.7 MPH (GPS). After the swap to triple 300s, we had to change out the center prop to a Bravo 26 lap prop. The new engines are turning at 6200 top speed. However, the boat’s top end is now 71. 3 MPH (GPS)."
Glad to see a company responding to customers needs.
What about mid-range torque ? Cruising at say 4500 rpm in a following sea, when coming off a wave and climbing the next 5 foot wave, do they have the torque to push a heavy hull up and over the next wave without bogging down ?
Just asking because of the debate over displacement, Suzuki is 4.0 liter and Verado is 2.6 liter. So you know everyone says "no replacement for displacement " just wondering how they would stack up against a bigger block in that scenario.
No doubt they are like a race engine that'll make a go fast hull fly in flat water but what about real world canyon fishing ? Just curious.
What about mid-range torque ? Cruising at say 4500 rpm in a following sea, when coming off a wave and climbing the next 5 foot wave, do they have the torque to push a heavy hull up and over the next wave without bogging down ?
this will be my last post here as I feel the vultures circling....but I think you'll find most verado owners will tell you they have no problems with torque at ANY point in the operating band....the motor will yank your teeth out if propped right....
It's good to hear Mercury has responded to shortcomings in the Verado. Aside from the obvious advantages of 4-strokes and brand loyalty, I often have wondered why someone would choose the Mercs over their competition's 4-stroke product. It seemed that the pros did not outweigh the cons. Now it appears the opposite is true.
I would like to hear from someone who can offer a comparison between the latest high-HP offerings from Merc, Yamaha, and Suzuki.
hineser - 7/12/2007 7:43 PM
What about mid-range torque ? Cruising at say 4500 rpm in a following sea, when coming off a wave and climbing the next 5 foot wave, do they have the torque to push a heavy hull up and over the next wave without bogging down ?
Millon $ ?, eh?
I don't wanna guess at it. Boating is not always fun, don't add insult to injury. Just buy the Verado and sleep well knowing she'll take you anywere on enough fuel.
Mid-range on any Verado will flat dump you out theback if you're not hanging on, it is quite impressive. I can say that comparing a 250 Verado to a 250 Suzuki, the differences are night and day. The Verado has significantly more hole shot and mid-range punch with reduced vibration. Both of these engines are on similar, large, single-powered deep-vees. Can't wait to get my hands on some 300s!
Torque is absolutely not an issue with the Verado's. My rig runs 6000 lb dry, add engines, fuel, gear, people we are probably pushing close to 10K lbs. If I am running at 4500 RPMS and nail it, you will be thrown out of the boat if you are not holding on. This goes for just about anywhere in the power band. The boat accelerates like a raped ape! In a following sea you do not "bog down" I find there is power to spare, The DTS takes some getting used to, especially because at slow speed you can't hear the engines and they are so smooth and responsive.
I have '06s and yes they will suck fuel down at an alarming rate at anything over 5200 RPM, but honestly, I rarely run that fast. I find that between 3200 RPM and 5000 RPMs my fuel mileage remains practically the same. With full fuel, I can burn 22 gallons an hour and get an honest 28 knots. thats 32.22 MPH and 1.46 MPG. As I burn off fuel, the speed will increase to bring that average up to 1.6 at 1/2 fuel. Less than 1/2 a tank and the ride changes, and not to my liking. The hull likes the weight and the lower center of gravity. Not bad, but not great. However it is good for my hull which is big, wide and heavy. If I push it up some more, the speed goes up enough to neutralize the extra fuel burn, until 5200 RPM then the ratio changes quickly.
We tested the (new at the time) Sea Vee 32 with Verado 250's back at the Lauderdale Show last year. We made it to the inlet and slowly started to plane out from the no-wake zone. I looked over at the throttles and they were pegged. It seemed to take forever for that boat to plane out. I thought initially it was the Vrats, but my Merc dealer (not exactly unbiased) claimed it was the Sea Vee hull design that has alot of suction when planing off, that reduced the holeshot.
I keep hearing about the throtle responce of the Varts. Anyone care to comment/explain my experience? Is it a different experience on other hulls of the same size?
We tested the (new at the time) Sea Vee 32 with Verado 250's back at the Lauderdale Show last year. We made it to the inlet and slowly started to plane out from the no-wake zone. I looked over at the throttles and they were pegged. It seemed to take forever for that boat to plane out. I thought initially it was the Vrats, but my Merc dealer (not exactly unbiased) claimed it was the Sea Vee hull design that has alot of suction when planing off, that reduced the holeshot.
I keep hearing about the throtle responce of the Varts. Anyone care to comment/explain my experience? Is it a different experience on other hulls of the same size?
My comments are just guesses but I think either, engines were too high or too low and/or not propped right, just went to their site - my 28 is 500 lbs heavier and 6" wider, 4' 1" shorter and 21 degree deadrise vs 25 degree deadrise - something definitely does not sound like your test boat was rigged/propped correctly. It is possible that they were trimmed up. I trim mine in tight at start that ease them up while cruising. Without touching the throttle I have seen them go from 4600 to 5000 RPMs snd increase 3 knots in speed. However, If I slow down and forget to tuck them back in before accelerating, the boat will go nowhere fast That is more than enough power - that boat should get and go. I meant what I said, If I were at idle and pegged her, she leaps instantly on plane and evreything that is not nailed down will go flying
WaterDamage, your Merc Dealer is full of it. There must of been a different issue. I have been on a 29 SeaVee with twin 225 Verados (factory boat), a 32 SeaVee with twin 250 Verados (Alan from JL Audio) and a 32 SeaVee with twin 275 Verados (KAMINA). They plane fast!! You could ask one of our photographers that fell to the ground when I asked if they were ready and punched it, next thing I heard was a noise of someone falling down. I looked back and he was on the floor, he told me he was ready but I guess he did not know how fast the boat took off (this was on the 32 SeaVee with 250 Verados). You can also ask Gilbert from Tiger Direct, I took him on the 32 SeaVee with twin 275 Verados and he was very impressed, his smaller boat is a 31 Contender and he could not believe how fast the 32 SeaVee was.
I see you are in Florida. Tony's 32 SeaVee is going in the mold and is going to be powered with twin 300 Verados, when the boat is ready you can come down and I will take you out in it. You can experience the torque of these motors for yourself. It is not only taking off, while cruising if you push on the throttles it will sit anyone down that is not holding on. You will also see that the 32 SeaVee planes very fast and that there is something that does not appear right on the boat you were on.
new verado perf #'s 
Mine are '06's. The Hun 
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