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Old 05-11-2007, 07:33 PM
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Default 2007 Seaswirl 2601 WA- Would you buy one?

I'm looking at the 2601 Seaswirl Walkaround as a new boat. Also Century, Mako, Robalo. Opinions? Century and Seaswirl are priced about the same.

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Also looked at that boat a couple years ago. Nice boat. Small anchor locker and I needed a larger one. That was the big reason I did not buy one.

Some may criticise fittings and materials but the hull has a tough reputation.
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It depends on your purpose? How are you going to use the boat? Where are you going to use it? Does it have the features your looking for? Seaswirl is a decent mid tier boat, to answer your question yes I would buy one if it fit my needs. Give a little more info and you will have plenty of responses.

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Sorry, a little more info about usage. It will be a family boat, some fishing, and probably no offshore long trips. Wife wants an enclosed head-go figure! I live on the West coast of Florida so we'll make a few trips to the Keys but mostly cruise around.
Probably go with 150 Yamahas and decent electronics. (Raymarine). Found a fairly loaded 2007 Seaswirl, new for $69K.

On the other hand, I'll probably trade up in 2-3 years.
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I was all over those boats and mostly the 23 footer, which is basically the same boat, at a local boat show a few weeks ago. I am trying to pick out my next boat, should I trade down in a few years.

I loved the boat and so did the wife, a lot of great features. But I would not buy one simply because you cannot access the bilge, where the pump and seacock are, from inside the boat. Picture being out on the water and be taking on water for a problem with the seacock and having to hang upside down outside the boat to close it while wakes are drowning you and you would be able to close it if your arms were as long as an orangatang, all while the bilge was also filling up with more mwater now from the inspection hatch. For any problem with the bilge while out on the water...screwed. Unbelieveable design.

For 10 years down the road when all the other thru-hull fittings need to be rebed....also screwed with no access.

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Local -what are you talking about?
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was all ready to buy one but the factory is being moved from oregon to gemar's larson plant in the middle of the country. I wanted a pacific northwest boat, not something being built by a guy who was building a 16' ski boat.
fit and finish were o.k. not great.
The boat does NOT have basic flotation- there is foam in the grid, but for structural purposes not flotation. The factory told me the boat would sink. There is wood used in the construction.
For all these reasons, I bought a Sailfish 2660.
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was all ready to buy one but the factory is being moved from oregon to gemar's larson plant in the middle of the country. I wanted a pacific northwest boat, not something being built by a guy who was building a 16' ski boat.
fit and finish were o.k. not great.
The boat does NOT have basic flotation- there is foam in the grid, but for structural purposes not flotation. The factory told me the boat would sink. There is wood used in the construction.
For all these reasons, I bought a Sailfish 2660.
If those were all the reasons you bought the Sailfish instead of the Seaswirl. You did yourself a huge disservice.

First moving a boat building facility doesn't change the boat. Also, I THINK they moved the production of just certain models, and the move was to Florida.

The Striper is NMEA certified which states that it must have basic floatation

The Seaswirl is all fiberglass hull and stringer system is fiberglass too.

However, I do agree the finish is OK.

You should be equally happy with the Sailfish. They are nice boats.

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Old 05-12-2007, 06:23 AM
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jwb - 5/11/2007 8:38 PM was all ready to buy one but the factory is being moved from oregon to gemar's larson plant in the middle of the country. I wanted a pacific northwest boat, not something being built by a guy who was building a 16' ski boat. fit and finish were o.k. not great. The boat does NOT have basic flotation- there is foam in the grid, but for structural purposes not flotation. The factory told me the boat would sink. There is wood used in the construction. For all these reasons, I bought a Sailfish 2660.
I wonder if that applies to all Seaswirl boat models?

I recently heard that Seaswirl is going to discontinue the production of their non-saltwater fishing boats. Don't know how true that is, but if it is true, I wonder if what is happening is that the production of the models they are discontinuing is moving to the Larson plant (perhaps to be madewiththe Larson name on it), while the saltwater fishing boat line is going to still be made in the plant they're made in today. I dunno. Just guessing. But I think Genmar likes to consolidate where it makes sense to. Why shouldn't they.
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jwb - 5/11/2007 8:38 PM was all ready to buy one but the factory is being moved from oregon to gemar's larson plant in the middle of the country. I wanted a pacific northwest boat, not something being built by a guy who was building a 16' ski boat. fit and finish were o.k. not great. The boat does NOT have basic flotation- there is foam in the grid, but for structural purposes not flotation. The factory told me the boat would sink. There is wood used in the construction. For all these reasons, I bought a Sailfish 2660.
I wonder if that applies to all Seaswirl boat models?

I recently heard that Seaswirl is going to discontinue the production of their non-saltwater fishing boats. Don't know how true that is, but if it is true, I wonder if what is happening is that the production of the models they are discontinuing is moving to the Larson plant (perhaps to be made*with*the Larson name on it), while the saltwater fishing boat line is going to still be made in the plant they're made in today. I dunno. Just guessing. But I think Genmar likes to consolidate where it makes sense to. Why shouldn't they.
I have heard this as well, as there boats were not selling
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Default Re: 2007 Seaswirl 2601 WA- Would you buy one?

I'm not sure if I'd go for the 2601.. Its a small 26' boat. Its 25'7" with the pulpit. Making is more like a 24 footer. The 2301 is a rather large 23 footer at 24'2". Quality is OK and on par with most boats in its class.
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Old 05-12-2007, 07:49 PM
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Give the Cobia 270WA a look. I own a 260WA bought out of Key Largo in 1998 and moved it to Aruba. And on that island there is no possibility for warranty coverage so I wanted a reliable boat. At that time Cobia was owned by Yamaha and I got a great package with the Yam engines. Only major repair on the boat was just a few months ago when I had to remove the fuel tank as the aluminum tank had erosion on it. Sandblasted, welded, prime coat and epoxy paint and its even better than new.

The seas around Aruba average 4-6 ft especially outside of the leeside of the island when we seek large wahoo and white marlin. The boat can handle it readily enough with trim tabs. I opted to overpower it a bit from the recommended 300HP max to 2 x 200HP Yamahas. Never had any malfunction on the engines.

Because it is still in great shape, I'll go another 5 yrs before looking at another boat.
But the 270WA would certainly be on my short list.
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But I would not buy one simply because you cannot access the bilge, where the pump and seacock are, from inside the boat. Picture being out on the water and be taking on water for a problem with the seacock and having to hang upside down outside the boat to close it while wakes are drowning you and you would be able to close it if your arms were as long as an orangatang, all while the bilge was also filling up with more mwater now from the inspection hatch. For any problem with the bilge while out on the water...screwed. Unbelieveable design.
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Easy modification that will allow the seacock to be closed without having to reach into the bilge area, from the main deck. No need to open the splashwell hatch.

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The boat does NOT have basic flotation- there is foam in the grid, but for structural purposes not flotation. The factory told me the boat would sink. There is wood used in the construction.
For all these reasons, I bought a Sailfish 2660.
jwb,

Yes, it's true that the Striper 2601 is not certified to have "Basic Flotation", same is true for your Sailfish 2660 (based on the Sailfish web site) and most boats in this size range.

Wood is not used in the hull construction of the Striper. It's used in areas like the balsa wood core for the decks and cabin layups. Many fine boats continue to use wood in the hull, like Grady White, Parker, etc.

Again, I don't see anything on the Sailfish web site that says your 2660 is totally "wood free", but maybe I missed it.

The price of a Sailfish is much higher than a Striper, I agree the Sailfish is a very nice boat.

Enjoy your Sailfish, no reason to put the Striper boats down.
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was all ready to buy one but the factory is being moved from oregon to gemar's larson plant in the middle of the country. I wanted a pacific northwest boat, not something being built by a guy who was building a 16' ski boat.
fit and finish were o.k. not great.
The boat does NOT have basic flotation- there is foam in the grid, but for structural purposes not flotation. The factory told me the boat would sink. There is wood used in the construction.
For all these reasons, I bought a Sailfish 2660.
If those were all the reasons you bought the Sailfish instead of the Seaswirl. You did yourself a huge disservice.

First moving a boat building facility doesn't change the boat. Also, I THINK they moved the production of just certain models, and the move was to Florida.

The Striper is NMEA certified which states that it must have basic floatation

The Seaswirl is all fiberglass hull and stringer system is fiberglass too.

However, I do agree the finish is OK.

You should be equally happy with the Sailfish. They are nice boats.

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I disagree.

It takes a lot of experience to produce from a mold- so the 1st few hulls at a new plant will always be suspicious.

Only boat that are 20' and under need foam to be certified.

And you will find some wood in the Sailfish. Its usually in the cap around the livewells, but not below the waterline. To me this would not be a deal breaker, but bad bilge access is.
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Robalo is an excellent boat, the others are mid tier at best.
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All of SeaSwirl's boats will now be produced in the same place Larsons are built, in the midwest. I also think that they are going to discontunue all of their non-salt water fishing boats.
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And you will find some wood in the SAILFISH. Its usually in the cap around the livewells, but not below the waterline. To me this would not be a deal breaker, but bad bilge access is.

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And you will find some wood in the SEAWIRL. Its usually in the cap around the livewells, but not below the waterline. To me this would not be a deal breaker, but bad bilge access is.

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I recenlty looked at them. They are an ok boat, They call it a 26' but it is olny 25'7 and minus the pulput and the motor bracket is is only a 22' boat.
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Looney tunes and white bear, I am not knocking Seaswirl boats. They are an excellant value. That being said there are some traits I was not pleased with. I spoke to the factory engineering and also to the gentleman in charge of moving production. Here are the facts (confirm them yourselves- I know you both have seen some of this on the seaswirl owners' website also): Seaswirl uses wood in their construction- The decks are a good example. The option bench seat on the 2601 has had a history of fittings that leaked putting moisture into the wood. I believe this has been addressed, but regardless of what other builder's are doing, I do not want any wood in my boat. I spoke to Paul jr. at Sailfish, the entire boat is wood free- transom, grid, etc.
The coast guard only requires flotation on boats below 20'. Seaswirl engineering told me when I asked that the boat has foam for structural piurposes only and would sink. This can still be stated as meeting Coast Guard requirements. Although the Sailfish does not require flotation by the coast guard, Paul jr, told me they calculate what would be required and install enough.
The largest Seaswirl boats are being produced in Fla. All the saltwater models 26' and less are being produced in Genmar's Larson plant in the midwest. When I looked over the existing 2601 at the dealers and researched it I felt the boats had a reputation of being very sturdy and seaworthy. My order would have been delayed and then one of the first from the new plant. I was not confident in what the finished product would be like (see older Seacraft vs. newer Seacraft)
The Sailfish was more but I felt it worth it. I hope the new Seaswirls are as good as the Pacic Northwest models were.
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