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Old 05-10-2007, 10:47 AM
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I read a lot about a mid-tier boat or a top-tier boat.
What does this mean??

Is it fact or opinion??
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Old 05-10-2007, 10:49 AM
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Slang for "level" or quality. Top tier is top quality. Mid tier is mid quality, etc
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It was a term made up on here years ago, to separate boats into classses.

It's as much an opinion as it is anything else.

Once, my family had a 15' boston whaler knock off, locally made boat that was severely undperpowered with a 25 hp Johnson. My father, my sister and me caught all kinds and sizes of fish on that boat, and for about 15 years used it every summer and during the winter duck hunting. When it finally went away it was rotted and had a hull full of water. It would have been a "lower tier" boat on here, but I don't think my father ever thought of it that way.
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It just means that some people with really expensive boats (like grady white) like to make others with less expensive boats (like sea hunt or trophy) feel like they are inferior, when both boats serve the same purpose. They would rather only rich people be allowed to boat, but that is not the case, so they come up with clever ways to seperate "them" from "us". Just my opinion though.
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Sorry to differ but the word 'tier' was not coined on THT yesterday or years ago, as some claim.

The formal definition is:

A division of things by quality, rank, or grade.

So a Rybovich might be considered a top tier and a lesser quality sport-fisherman a mid or bottom tier. And it doesn't always mean a top tier is more expensive. If you were speaking of fishing the flats, for instance, and trying to determine the best boat you might say a Shearwater is top tier and a Contender is bottom tier or rank... then again who gives a rats' #*@
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:27 AM
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It means grab the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the fun!
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I always thought it had something to do with the water that comes out of your eyes when you find out your new boat is a POS.........
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:34 AM
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It means Squat...Buckus....

There are three "tiers" alright...YOUR Boat, YOUR FRIENDS boat, and WOW, Nice boat.... All great levels of boating. Forget the primadonnas that "think" they have something better than you. Get out and enjpy the water & boating. S
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:37 AM
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Sorry to differ but the word 'tier' was not coined on THT yesterday or years ago, as some claim.

The formal definition is:

A division of things by quality, rank, or grade.

So a Rybovich might be considered a top tier and a lesser quality sport-fisherman a mid or bottom tier. And it doesn't always mean a top tier is more expensive. If you were speaking of fishing the flats, for instance, and trying to determine the best boat you might say a Shearwater is top tier and a Contender is bottom tier or rank... then again who gives a rats' #*@
I have never seen or heard it used in that context, ie describing a boat by brand name, until here.

Had you seen or heard it used like that before?

Now really, don't lie just to make your post look truthful.
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The term was redefined by the same fellers that think their BMW or Benz is better than a Honda.....
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Top Tier is just a Term that some guys use to make them self feel better for spending too much money on there boat. A lot of people use the term for cars too. Last I checked Land Rover and Jag are top tier but both are high maintenance and JD Powers says they are lowest in reliabilty. LOL
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TIER means nothing just a word someone uses to describe a boat they paid way too much for. Really the only thing that seperates one tier from the other is all the bling that goes on the "top Tier" boats other than that they are all fiberglass and float. I've not seen a boat yet you couldnt catch a fish out of my dad has a 16' aluminum jon boat that a tractor and trailer couldnt haul the fish thats been caught in that boat. Main thing buy it and enjoy it and if you do, it instantly becomes a top tier boat.
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It's the upper portion of a ladies swim suit
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tier has been around since mechanical things were for sale. its is used here, frequently by three types of boater.

type one--hates the word and claims its used only by snobs who are trying to prove their manhood.

type two--and actual snob who can 'prove' his worth.

and type three (the one i would like to think i am)--the term 'tier' is used in a polite and accurate way to desrcibe the finished quality of a manufactured product or product line. this has only 'some' relation to actual cost and only 'some' relation to the $$/smiles ratio. the relation to cost is from the old adage...you get what you pay for, and the $$/smiles ratio is a direct sum of just because its expensive doesnt mean i dont enjoy it as much. but in the same manner, if its 'cheap', it might just be cheap.

the comments about honda/bmw or benz...obviously not a mercedez owner. that arguement just makes folks look quite sad. one might not 'like' a 5 series, but that opinon does not mean the civic is 'just as good. i wont even comment further. anyone who would make that justification most likely could not actually debate--only argue.

in my opinion, the three tiers most widely accepted are represented thusly: low tier--about 10% of the new boat market. upper tier--about 20% of the market. that leaves middle tier with about 70% of the boats out there. within that great range there is certainly a sliding scale. but, the cut lines from low to mid, and then from mid to high are definitive and easily identifiable.

dont use the word 'better boat' this is subjective. better to you, may make a hill of beans to me. in the context of 'better ride', again, thats subjective. but 'better quality', could be definitive, but a 'better' word would be 'higher quality', ie, higher quality components such as high grade stainless pop up cleats in lieu of made in china thin and light plated zinc cleats. one is a higher quality. but maybe 'better' to you means 'more affordable'. so again, 'better' is a subjective term.

im a firm believer of the quality for the dollar theory. in this, there are certainly tiers--for most every product or service. in hotels, i can pay $29 a nite or $329 a nite. the $29 hotel will most likely give me 'my moneys worth' in that i might get to sleep for the nite. the $329 room might have 'better' service and more ameniites. but, perhaps i want more than just a dirty pillow to rest my head, but i have no need for chocolates on my pillow either. therein lies a middle area. clearly, in this anology there is a series of 'tiers'. if one would still argue that one 'is just as good as the other', then please read no further or make no comment on my post. you most likely could not extend a plausable debate, and once again would only argue. or justify your own belongings.

cars, the same thing--tiers. screwdrivers, tires, televisions, carpet, window cleaners, tomato sauces and boats all have tiers--or phases of tiers.

boats are no different. anyone that would argue that a Contender should be considered as an option for a Logic, is either just not that experienced, is desperatly in need of some acceptance counciling or has really never looked at top tier quality. (sorry Logic owners, im not saying a Logic is a 'bad' boat--on the contrary. but i think most would agree, the contender--without regard to price, might contain a higher level of inherent quality.

now, i mented price--but not in the definintion of 'tier'. again, expensive is not always better. 'costs more' or 'more expensive' is much like the term 'better' to me. many times the cost does reflect a higher level of quality. i dont blindly associate cost with a tier level. and on the contrary i think there are quite a few affordable boats that contain higher quality and greater features than some expensive craft. indeed, some boats are expensive just for the sake of price and exclusiveness. you prob'ly wont find one of those in my driveway. im not the chocolates on the pillow guy.

one example is Sailfish. this is solidly considered a 'mid tier' boat, by most. i agree. but secretly i think the sailfish has engineering and build quality that is far greater than their price tag. this is one case where i think you get way more than your moneys worth, and one reason sailfish is becoming so popular.

one phrase that i have read on this very forum MORE TIMES THAN I CAN STAND, is 'oh, it had a few things wrong with it from the dealer. i'll just fix them myself. no big deal, i like doing that sort of stuff and think of the money i saved from buying one of those overpriced boats'. if this is not a clear indicator of what is wrong with the boating industry, but also what is accepted, and then argued as 'just as good as' other higher tiers--wow! of course any boat of any brand of any price can have an issue or two, but if you cant see the difference in build quality--and tier, with a boat that has some sort of 'some assembly/repair/upgrade required', then you will never know how nice the ride is in an E class, and you are destined to think the back seat in a civic is roomy and comfortable.

there is another 'tier' or more correctly, another catagory of boat i consider valid. the handbuilt or semicustom built. yellowfin, contender, lake and bay, hells bay, cape horn and a few others. these boats are not production line boats. they are hand assembled, with a greater attention to detail in design, construction and complete product. when compared to production boats of the same ilk, the differences can be notable. not to bang one brand, or put another on a pedestal, but with an open mind, if you were asked if you wanted an assembly line product that was designed by a marketing team, or a hand assembled product that was designed by a small group of brainstormers, which would you really choose, with price being even? be honest with yourself.

am i a snob? ha ha ha. im the biggest redneck penny pincher out there. but i know good quality and value when i see it. put those together with some luxury, thought out engineering and design and a few amenities and you have yourself a top tier product. price is another matter altogether.

so, overall if one cannot see there is an obvious difference in one boat model and brand and another, then you most likely never well. i suggest you buy your screwdrivers from the guy at the flea market. they are 'just as good as' the craftsman.

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Hey Pug. I have a sea hunt. Don't put me in the same category as a trophy
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top tier...my boat
mid tier...your boat
low tier...birdman's boat

that should just about put this to bed
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Got Salt: Great post on a contentious subject. Well thought out with each point backed up by example!
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top tier...my boat
mid tier...your boat
low tier...birdman's boat

that should just about put this to bed

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edit #2:
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What Does "tier" mean??



"Tier" is that watery substance that drips down your cheek after buying a 1999 Nitro bassboat at BPS only to find out what a hunk of junk it really is. (knew a guy named Ludi-something that this happened to...)


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