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Old 04-02-2007, 11:22 AM
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I have not seen any info on this and was wondering.. If I come to a drawbridge which I can clear but there are boats in line that cannot, is it proper etiquette to pass them and proceed if safe ? Do I need to contact the bridge ?

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I have not seen any info on this and was wondering.. If I come to a drawbridge which I can clear but there are boats in line that cannot, is it proper etiquette to pass them and proceed if safe ? Do I need to contact the bridge ?

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Yes, you can pass them if they are just milling around waiting for the bridge to open. If it's already begun to open you should wait in line.

No, you don't have to contact the bridge tender.
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go ahead and pass as long as there's room to do it safely. Just follow normal rules about which side has the right of way. I've never heard anyone contact the bridge - probably unnecissary.
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You are absolutely fine (and expected by the others waiting) to proceed past those waiting and go through the bridge.

Sometimes the waiting boats will be jockeying to hold their position to go through so, depending on how many are waiting you should let themn know you are not line jumping and go on 16 and say something like "boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, this is Motor Yacht Minnow coming from your north. I have enough clearance for the bridge so I will pass to your east and proceed. Minnow over."
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Yes, you can pass them if they are just milling around waiting for the bridge to open. If it's already begun to open you should wait in line.

No, you don't have to contact the bridge tender.






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You are absolutely fine (and expected by the others waiting) to proceed past those waiting and go through the bridge.

Sometimes the waiting boats will be jockeying to hold their position to go through so, depending on how many are waiting you should let themn know you are not line jumping and go on 16 and say something like "boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, this is Motor Yacht Minnow coming from your north. I have enough clearance for the bridge so I will pass to your east and proceed. Minnow over."
Good advise. Only thing I would change is: do it on channel 13. That is the channel the bridge tender monitors and the boats waiting will also be on that channel.
(I don't want to hear the Coast Guard kid spealing out "Channel 16 is a hailing and distress channel only, shift your traffic to a working channel, Coast Guard, OUT!) Daymn, thaat gets annoying. (BTW, I spent 4 years in the CG and was one of them kids spealing that way back when...
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Good advise. Only thing I would change is: do it on channel 13. That is the channel the bridge tender monitors and the boats waiting will also be on that channel. .............
Except in areas where the bridges monitor channel 9. SC is one and I believe FL is another.

Now there's a good idea - have different standards in different states.
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Yes, you can pass them if they are just milling around waiting for the bridge to open. If it's already begun to open you should wait in line.

No, you don't have to contact the bridge tender.

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You are absolutely fine (and expected by the others waiting) to proceed past those waiting and go through the bridge.

Sometimes the waiting boats will be jockeying to hold their position to go through so, depending on how many are waiting you should let themn know you are not line jumping and go on 16 and say something like "boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, this is Motor Yacht Minnow coming from your north. I have enough clearance for the bridge so I will pass to your east and proceed. Minnow over."
Good advise. Only thing I would change is: do it on channel 13. That is the channel the bridge tender monitors and the boats waiting will also be on that channel.
(I don't want to hear the Coast Guard kid spealing out "Channel 16 is a hailing and distress channel only, shift your traffic to a working channel, Coast Guard, OUT!) Daymn, thaat gets annoying. (BTW, I spent 4 years in the CG and was one of them kids spealing that way back when...
Sidebar: Would this not be a legit Channel 16 hailing, of short duration & therefore OK? Don't disagree the designated channel might be better and do think any additional conversation should be moved to another channel.
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................. Sidebar: Would this not be a legit Channel 16 hailing, of short duration & therefore OK? Don't disagree the designated channel might be better and do think any additional conversation should be moved to another channel.
While it might be legit, the other boats are probably monitoring the drawbridge frequency, not channel 16 while waiting instructions from the bridge tender.
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Forget the radio just pass at a fair distance and be on your way. I have to deal with several bridges on the IC and its never been any issues.
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I believe regulations prohibit radio hails to "all stations" on channel 16 except for securite, pan pan, or mayday broadcasts - or if you're the coast guard. However, this type of broadcast is appropriate as a securite broadcast - so if phrased as such I doubt there would be a problem.

keep that in mind for radio checks, however. Innapropriate on channel 16 unless you're hailing a speciifc boater...every once in a while the coast guard gets up on the wrong side of the bed and yells at people for that.

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You are absolutely fine (and expected by the others waiting) to proceed past those waiting and go through the bridge.

Sometimes the waiting boats will be jockeying to hold their position to go through so, depending on how many are waiting you should let themn know you are not line jumping and go on 16 and say something like "boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, boats waiting north of Bridge ABC, this is Motor Yacht Minnow coming from your north. I have enough clearance for the bridge so I will pass to your east and proceed. Minnow over."
Good advise. Only thing I would change is: do it on channel 13. That is the channel the bridge tender monitors and the boats waiting will also be on that channel.
(I don't want to hear the Coast Guard kid spealing out "Channel 16 is a hailing and distress channel only, shift your traffic to a working channel, Coast Guard, OUT!) Daymn, thaat gets annoying. (BTW, I spent 4 years in the CG and was one of them kids spealing that way back when...
Sidebar: Would this not be a legit Channel 16 hailing, of short duration & therefore OK? Don't disagree the designated channel might be better and do think any additional conversation should be moved to another channel.
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I believe regulations prohibit radio hails to "all stations" on channel 16 except for securite, pan pan, or mayday broadcasts - or if you're the coast guard. However, this type of broadcast is appropriate as a securite broadcast - so if phrased as such I doubt there would be a problem.

keep that in mind for radio checks, however. Innapropriate on channel 16 unless you're hailing a speciifc boater...every once in a while the coast guard gets up on the wrong side of the bed and yells at people for that.
Unless that group waiting in line is REALLY crowded waiting for the drawbridge I don't think a "Securitay" call is appropriate. save that for a hazard to navigation such as the coordinates of a semi-submerged shipping container, floating piling or a waterspout sighting. And remember if you make the radio call - use your low power setting - boats 25 miles away don't need to hear it. and lastly, radio call or not, you are the overtaking vessel and remember to give a wide berth and give way to a boat that is "staion keeping" waiting for the bridge to open.
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Makosteve:

It's overkill perhaps - but if you're gonna make the call - it might sound a bit more proper as a saftey message. I agree with the above, though - channel 13 is the proper channel for such a call - or even good old sound signals (because I'm sure everyone in line would understand what they mean.....)

The main point I was trying to convey was that you are not supposed to "hail" all stations on channel 16 unless its a distress or saftey call- although acutally I havent' been able to find that regulation written down anywhere. Anyone here know if that is indeed true - or did I somehow make this regulation up on my own? I was pretty certian its a real one - and I'm positive that radio checks on 16 are frowned on.

all of your advice is good.
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Getting a little off topic, but I've wondered, if we're all supposed to monitor 16 when we're not actively talking to someone else, how am I supposed to get Joe Blow's attention w/out using 16? Twice I've been told to move to a working channel when all I did was attempt to raise a boat ahead of me.
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Getting a little off topic, but I've wondered, if we're all supposed to monitor 16 when we're not actively talking to someone else, how am I supposed to get Joe Blow's attention w/out using 16? Twice I've been told to move to a working channel when all I did was attempt to raise a boat ahead of me.
You were told wrong. Channel 16 is used to hail another boat. Then you agree on a working channel and move to it. The other boat may not have had the radio on or may not have been monitoring 16.
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This thread reminds me of the fun one always experienced passing through the Hillsboro Inlet Bridge near Pompano Beach, Florida on a Saturday or Sunday.

Etiquette? They don't need no steenking etiquette.
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I need to wait for a turnstile type bridge to get out of my harbor and never mind when a lower boat scoots under while I'm waiting. I'd rather have that then him get in line unneccessarily and make the line longer.
What's not cool is when a smaller boat darts in front of me while I am lined up and slowly approaching the draw. It's happened a couple times and it makes a nerve wracking time even worse!
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I need to wait for a turnstile type bridge to get out of my harbor and never mind when a lower boat scoots under while I'm waiting. I'd rather have that then him get in line unneccessarily and make the line longer.
What's not cool is when a smaller boat darts in front of me while I am lined up and slowly approaching the draw. It's happened a couple times and it makes a nerve wracking time even worse!
That's what your air horn is for.

Local newspaper story here the other day. Writer is visiting the drawbridge tender to write a story. He asks about this and that. He asks "What's this button for? Bridge tender answers "It's for the horn." Writer replies "Why, in case another drawbridge pulls in front of you?"

Well, I thought it was funny!
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Redneck:

a few things could be going on. Ideally you would attempt to hail another pleasure boater on channel 9 - the CG has been trying to get people to shift to that channel as a hailing channel unless calling either the CG or commercial vessels. Your local CG may be a bit overzealously pushing this (its still legit to hail on 16....9 is more of a highly suggested option - unless you're on the great lakes, and then it's mandated)

Other things that come to mind are trying to hail a vessel too rapidly - you are supposed to let 2 minutes elapse between hail attempts. Again, though - if you are trying to get attention of "white halfsunk bayliner about to ram me" I would think the coast guard would cut you some slack in getting thier attention...perhaps you're local CG just ordered undies one size to small....

my guess is they want you on 9 though
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