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Old 03-28-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Yamaha vs. Suzuki outboards

I have been doing some reading and I was wondering what the general opinion here is on Yamahas vs. Suzuki? Which is better? Which one would you buy? I am focusing on the 225hp motors between the two. Thanks for the input.
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Having had 2 of each including a 225 Yam and currently a 250 Suz, I don't think you can go wrong with either.
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both are great motors.we just dont have any one to work on the zukes around here.so dealer support would be what my decision was based on
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Both good motors...had good service for both so the Suzuki was my choice....more power...longer warranty....cheaper. The choice has worked out good.
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Base it on dealer support. Both engines are excellent choices. If the Yamaha dealer is closer ... then focus on those. If the Zuke is the same distance and offers better customer service... then check that one out.
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I have owned the Yamaha F225 & DF250 Suzuki. My next boat is getting a DF250 Suzuki it was better, but the Yamaha is still a good motor.
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Base it on dealer support. Both engines are excellent choices. If the Yamaha dealer is closer ... then focus on those. If the Zuke is the same distance and offers better customer service... then check that one out.
exactly - I love watching guys get the "best deal", saving a few hun and then finding out the better dealer is closer and better trained...and then bithcing about it here....think long term relationship, not saving short term.....
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Suzuki. This should not even be a question. Timing chains, better performance and economy.
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Based on my own experience and what most others have reported, there seems to be a solid 25hp difference betwen the two motors. The Yamaha puts out about 212 and the Suzuki puts out about 238. If 212 is ok and the price is right, the Yamaha may be just fine. If the boat really requires more horsepower, the Suzuki may be the best choice. When you bought your last car or truck, did you opt for a larger engine?
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in the 225 hp category i would prefer the suzuki with one big if.....if the dealer support is near by & has good techs.good luck
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Based on my own experience and what most others have reported, there seems to be a solid 25hp difference betwen the two motors. The Yamaha puts out about 212 and the Suzuki puts out about 238. If 212 is ok and the price is right, the Yamaha may be just fine. If the boat really requires more horsepower, the Suzuki may be the best choice. When you bought your last car or truck, did you opt for a larger engine?
You know i've seen many claims on this website about this motor makes x amount of horsepower, yet I have yet to see a single verifiable, independant, and reliable source quoted. Please provide a source or or your own dyno results in chart form if you performed your own tests.
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I rode my boat with both twin Yams and Suzukis before I bought and the Suzukis have a lot more low end torque and a few mph faster speed. Both propped correctly.....that was plenty of proof for me. Better low end and top end on the same boat.....I have never seen anything in print but the Suzukis are real world stronger in the 225 class.
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Based on my own experience and what most others have reported, there seems to be a solid 25hp difference betwen the two motors. The Yamaha puts out about 212 and the Suzuki puts out about 238. If 212 is ok and the price is right, the Yamaha may be just fine. If the boat really requires more horsepower, the Suzuki may be the best choice. When you bought your last car or truck, did you opt for a larger engine?
You know i've seen many claims on this website about this motor makes x amount of horsepower, yet I have yet to see a single verifiable, independant, and reliable source quoted. Please provide a source or or your own dyno results in chart form if you performed your own tests.
Couldn't agree more.
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The EPA publishes the emissions test results for outboards (including HP output measured in kilowatts) and the link has been posted here before. The last time I saw it, I downloaded the 04-07 tables. They don't cover every possible engine, just the ones that were submitted to the EPA that year.

I don't have the link, but below is the line from the EPA engine certification test for the Yamaha 225 (Sorry for the messy post) The "155.37" is the output in Kilowatts (All engines are measured this way) Converted to HP it equals 208.3546HP. I could not find a Suzuki 225 in the 04, 05, 06, or 07 tables. For comparison, the 200 Suzuki is listed at 147.1KW which equates to 197.2643hp.

Perhaps somebody can respond with the link to these tables.

Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 7YMXM3.352G YMX-MSI-07-26 4 Stroke New Outboard EM 10.686 3.793 14.479 259.262 0 0 Additive 16.14 155.37 5500 Overhead Carburetor yes 4YMXM3.352GA yes F225TXRC 1000014 4 3352 Indolene 5-mode

Are these the definitive word on motor output? I doubt it. As has been said before, even the same engine tested on different days or at different locations can/will have a different output number. But I think its as independent and unbiased as you're going to get.

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BTT. Waiting for the link Kchase is referring too.
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Based on my own experience and what most others have reported, there seems to be a solid 25hp difference betwen the two motors. The Yamaha puts out about 212 and the Suzuki puts out about 238. If 212 is ok and the price is right, the Yamaha may be just fine. If the boat really requires more horsepower, the Suzuki may be the best choice. When you bought your last car or truck, did you opt for a larger engine?
You know i've seen many claims on this website about this motor makes x amount of horsepower, yet I have yet to see a single verifiable, independant, and reliable source quoted. Please provide a source or or your own dyno results in chart form if you performed your own tests.
I have tried both the 225 johnzuki and the 225 yammy I found the suki much stronger on a loaded 2301 seaswiirl I got the jonhsuki one of the reasons among others I got the seaswirl over x brand.A friend bought x brand with a yammi no problems or anything just wish he had a choice between that or a suzuki he also would prefer the suki.However we both have suki and yammi service close by so that didnt matter.
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Based on my own experience and what most others have reported, there seems to be a solid 25hp difference betwen the two motors. The Yamaha puts out about 212 and the Suzuki puts out about 238. If 212 is ok and the price is right, the Yamaha may be just fine. If the boat really requires more horsepower, the Suzuki may be the best choice. When you bought your last car or truck, did you opt for a larger engine?
You know i've seen many claims on this website about this motor makes x amount of horsepower, yet I have yet to see a single verifiable, independant, and reliable source quoted. Please provide a source or or your own dyno results in chart form if you performed your own tests.
I have tried both the 225 johnzuki and the 225 yammy I found the suki much stronger on a loaded 2301 seaswiirl I got the jonhsuki one of the reasons among others I got the seaswirl over x brand.A friend bought x brand with a yammi no problems or anything just wish he had a choice between that or a suzuki he also would prefer the suki.However we both have suki and yammi service close by so that didnt matter.
This is still far from claims of that motor gets 212 hp or 208 or 238. I'm looking for the sources that people who have provided these numbers use.
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I did some digging based on kchace's post. I'm guessing this is what he's referring to...

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/certdata.htm#marinesi

Thanks kchace. Interesting info.
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In a nutshell, here's the data for '06 for the motors over 100 hp, sorted by HP (last column).

Manufacturer Engine Family Cycle MaxPwr RPM HP
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM3.342CB 2 Stroke 206.2 5150 276
Mercury Marine 6M9XM02.62G0 4 Stroke 205.15 6100 275
Mercury Marine 6M9XM02.62G0 4 Stroke 205.15 6100 275
BRP US INC 6BCXM0200223 2 Stroke 186.43 5150 250
Mercury Marine 6M9XM03.04CJ 2 Stroke 167.85 5375 225
Mercury Marine 6M9XM03.02C0 2 Stroke 165.54 5375 222
Mercury Marine 6M9XM03.42G0 4 Stroke 165.54 5500 222
Mercury Marine 6M9XM03.02C3 2 Stroke 165.47 5750 222
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM3.352GA 4 Stroke 155.37 5500 208
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM3.352GA 4 Stroke 153.6 5500 206
Mercury Marine 6M9XM02.54CJ 2 Stroke 149.20 5400 200
BRP US Inc. 6BCXM0158222 2 Stroke 149.14 5250 200
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. 6HNXM3.472G1 4 Stroke 149.1 5500 200
Mercury Marine 6M9XM02.52C0 2 Stroke 147.15 6250 197
SUZUKI MOTOR CORPORATION 6SKXM3.612K8 4 Stroke 147.10 5500 197
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM2.601CC 2 Stroke 141.91 5000 190
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM2.602CA 2 Stroke 141.9 5000 190
Mercury Marine 6M9XM01.73G0 4 Stroke 130.55 6100 175
Mercury Marine 6M9XM01.73G0 4 Stroke 130.55 6100 175
BRP US INC 6BCXM0158221 2 Stroke 130.50 5500 175
BRP US INC. 6BCXM0158211 2 Stroke 130.50 5000 175
Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. 6BCXM1.504GS 4 Stroke 127.40 7506 171
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. 6HNXM1.244G0 4 Stroke 121.4 6100 163
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM2.601CA 2 Stroke 119.48 5000 160
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM2.672GA 4 Stroke 119.4 5500 160
KAWASAKI HEAVY INDUSTRIES, LTD 6KAXM1.503CA 4 Stroke 118 7500 158
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM1.304DA 2 Stroke 115.34 6900 155
BRP US INC 6BCXM0158220 2 Stroke 111.86 5000 150
BRP US INC. 6BCXM0158210 2 Stroke 111.86 5000 150
Mercury Marine 6M9XM02.51C1 2 Stroke 110.36 5300 148
SUZUKI MOTOR CORPORATION 6SKXM2.872K8 4 Stroke 110.33 5,500 148
Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. 6BCXM1.504GN 4 Stroke 106 7300 142
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. 6HNXM2.352G0 4 Stroke 100.7 5500 135
Weber Motor AG 6WEBM.7506TG 4 Stroke 100 7300 134
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM1.054GA 4 Stroke 99.8 10000 134
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM1.054GA 4 Stroke 99.8 10000 134
Mercury Marine 6M9XM02.52C3 2 Stroke 99.33 5250 133
Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. 6BCXM1.505GN 4 Stroke 97 7300 130
Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. 6BCXM.9514CD 2 Stroke 93 6750 125
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM.9984GA 4 Stroke 92.89 10000 124
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. 6HNXM1.244G1 4 Stroke 91.9 7000 123
KAWASAKI HEAVY INDUSTRIES, LTD 6KAXM1.203CA 4 Stroke 91.9 7200 123
BRP US INC. 6BCXM0105211 2 Stroke 89.53 4996 120
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM1.731CA 2 Stroke 87.14 5000 117
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. 6HNXM2.252G0 4 Stroke 85.8 5500 115
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. 6HNXM2.252G0 85.80 5500 115
BRP US INC 6BCXM0105221 2 Stroke 84.90 5500 114
Mercury Marine 6M9XM01.52C0 2 Stroke 84.61 5375 113
Mercury Marine 6M9XM01.72G0 4 Stroke 84.61 5500 113
Yamaha Motor Company LTD. 6YMXM1.742GA 4 Stroke 79.87 5500 107
KAWASAKI HEAVY INDUSTRIES, LTD 6KAXM.8913CA 2 Stroke 73.6 6750 99
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Yup, that's the stuff I was referring to. I know of no other source for that kind of data.

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