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Old 02-27-2007, 10:35 AM
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I know if you own a boat you can count those days for a OUPV License, my question is..

Is their a minimum boat size? (in order for it to count)

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No size minimum....you could count the days spent adrift in a life raft if you like.
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Yes. Boat must be able to go to the international rules territory (Not inshore( do not confuse it with state waters ( federal waters). When you read the rules it will be explained. Near my place international rules water starts outside of the Pass. Less than one mile offshore.
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Would an 18 foot center consol be considered able to reach IW?
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Yes. I owned and operated an 18 footer for several years. I used it in my logs, and got my license.
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Here is a cut and past from the USCG website:
For Qualified Ratings, you must submit proof of required service based on days you worked at sea while underway. A day is defined as eight hours of watchstanding or day work, not to include overtime. On commercial vessels where a twelve-hour workday is authorized and practiced, such as on a six-on, six-off watch schedule, each workday may be considered for one and one-half days of service credit. Required sea service is specified in months or years, which are then converted to days, i.e., one year means 360 days and one month is 30 days. You may document required service in various forms, including original certificates of discharge and/or official documents from marine companies on original company letterhead signed by authorized officials. Your original proof of service MUST INCLUDE the following information about the amount and nature of your experience:

1. Name and documentation/official number of each vessel on which the service was obtained;

2. Vessel's gross tonnage, shaft horsepower and type of propulsion;

3. Number of days underway on each vessel including the dates the service was obtained;

4. Number of days spent in each type of route (Ocean, Near Coastal, Inland, specific river or lake, etc.);

5. Average number of hours worked per day; and

6. A brief description of duties or work performed.

NOTE: Title 18 U.S. Code (USC), Section 1001 states that intentionally making false or fraudulent statements or representations in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States is a Federal crime punishable by a maximum fine of $10,000, 5 years imprisonment, or both. When signing the application and forms to apply for an MMD, you acknowledge awareness of the meaning of the statute in 18 USC 1001. If there is evidence that an application was submitted fraudulently, the application may be denied and the case will be forwarded to the local U.S. Attorney for appropriate action.

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http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/ldcr-mmdinfo.htm

It does not make reference to the size of the vessel, so I would think that there is no minimum requirement.

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Yes. Boat must be able to go to the international rules territory (Not inshore( do not confuse it with state waters ( federal waters).
No minimum boat size and inland time most certainly counts.

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Near my place international rules water starts outside of the Pass. Less than one mile offshore.
State's waters extend 3 nautical miles from shore except Florida's West coast and Texas, whose state waters extend to 9 miles offshore. Federal waters begin where state waters end and extend to 200 miles offshore.
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Yes. Boat must be able to go to the international rules territory (Not inshore( do not confuse it with state waters ( federal waters).
No minimum boat size and inland time most certainly counts.

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Near my place international rules water starts outside of the Pass. Less than one mile offshore.
State's waters extend 3 nautical miles from shore except Florida's West coast and Texas, whose state waters extend to 9 miles offshore. Federal waters begin where state waters end and extend to 200 miles offshore.
I think he was talking COLREGS, not international waters.
And inshore time counts, but there must be a certain amount of days offshore if you wish to get a nearcoast OUPV. If you will be in lakes, you don't have to have offshore time.
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here is a link to the sea service form that you would need to fill out. there are no requirements for you to supply any logs/proof of your sea time. they take the form on the honor system. i believe they consider 4 hours on the water as a day afloat.
http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/download-do...-0040-719s.pdf
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I know if you own a boat you can count those days for a OUPV License, my question is..

Is their a minimum boat size? (in order for it to count)

Thanks in advance...
your own boat only counts for some days at sea you can't have them all on your own boat
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Yes. Boat must be able to go to the international rules territory (Not inshore( do not confuse it with state waters ( federal waters).
No minimum boat size and inland time most certainly counts.

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Near my place international rules water starts outside of the Pass. Less than one mile offshore.
State's waters extend 3 nautical miles from shore except Florida's West coast and Texas, whose state waters extend to 9 miles offshore. Federal waters begin where state waters end and extend to 200 miles offshore.
Yes, you are correct here. I really dont think that there is anything that says all your time can not be all on your own boat either for the person that asked.
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....you could count the days spent adrift in a life raft if you like.
Would that get you a Sail endorsement?
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:59 PM
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All of my time was on my own boat. they DO and WILL accept that. I got my license last year with time on my own boat only.
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:18 PM
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The system is set up so that the USCG can cover its A$$. You submitt an application for a license, you submitt documented sea time. The USCG doesn't investigate your sea time, they put the paper work in your file and go home at 4:30 PM like a good government employee should do. If there is ever an incident where your license is called into question, a good goverment employee will pad down the hall (only between 8 and 4:30 and never on Saturday and Sunday) they will pull your file and review your sea service time submitted with the application. If you have filed a false application with the United States Government you will be charged with fraud and whatever else the local U.S. Attorney can come up with. As long as the proper forms are filled out and processed by the USCG employee, the govt. did their part. The ball is in your court and your butt could end up in their courtroom!
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T Juan,
You are partially correct on the times (only between 8 and 4:30 and never on Saturday and Sunday). You forgot to include their lunch hour in there.
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Some tickets are issued with restrictions where the sea time was on inland waters or coastal waters specifically.
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I know if you own a boat you can count those days for a OUPV License, my question is..

Is their a minimum boat size? (in order for it to count)

Thanks in advance...
your own boat only counts for some days at sea you can't have them all on your own boat
That's incorrect. I've only ever used my own boat as proof and it was fine. You just have to prove ownership. How do you think guides and captains who are also owners keep their license current and renew it?

I used boats that were 16' 17' and 18' to prove my sea time. Many guides spend their days guiding from flats skiffs and small center consoles so that's how they prove their sea time.
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A little off topic, but what's the difference between the OUPV 6 pack and the OUPV limited license?

Searched but did not find anything.

USCG has this form for limited: http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/checklists/...0Checklist.pdf

and this for 6 pack: http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/checklists/...FM-REC-107.pdf

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Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessel (OUPV) or “6-Pack” License – This license is most appropriate for uninspected passenger vessels which by law are limited to six or less passengers for hire. These are usually smaller vessels and normally engage in charter fishing, whale watching, SCUBA diving, and tour cruises.

§ OUPV Limited License – Also known as Limited Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessels. This is commonly known as a “launchtender license” and is issued to those employed by organizations such as yacht clubs, marinas, formal camps, and educational institutions, limited to the specific activity and locality.

http://www.uscg.mil/STCW/cb-capt.htm
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Thanks IrishAyes - I am currently enrolled in the USCG AUX- BS&S course, and will then move on to the Advanced Coastal Nav. course.

I would dearly love to get a 6 pack Captains license, but I don't think I'll be chartering anyone. Thats why I asked about the limited license. I really want to further my knowledge and ability in and around boats.

I know OTW experience (slowly building for me) counts for a lot, but I want the correct technical aspect as well. If I am going out with friends/family aboard, I want to be sure I have as much info as possible in the brain as possible to deal with anything that arises.

Sorry to hijack!





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