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Old 02-24-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Honda 225's to heavy for fountain?

Looking at a local fountain 31 (96) with fresh 225 Hondas. Are those motors to heavy for this rig?
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honestly ..too slow for that rig.....IMO....
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Default Re: Honda 225's to heavy for fountain?

I would also check to make sute that the water pickups can handle the speed and stepped hull as well.

That boat needs Optis
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Default Re: Honda 225's to heavy for fountain?

NOT bashing but aren't the Verados as heavy or heavier than the Hondas.

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NOT bashing but aren't the Verados as heavy or heavier than the Hondas.
yes they are heavier..... and what does that have to do with this post? This is a perfect example of coming after me and not the subject...settle down..nobody said anything bad about the motors, they are just not right to get the optimum perf out of a stepped fountain hull....and neiother is a verado 225..happy?
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Default Re: Honda 225's to heavy for fountain?

Glen , had my head up there some where.

I was just thinking those boats seem to always have the big V's on'em or Yamaha's
both heavy motors.
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I would like to see what the BF225's #'s are on that ride though.



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a 96 31 Fountain should have 250 optis or etec's..... nothing else....
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It's not the weight so much as it is the performance loss and the gear case may not be able to handle the stepped hull or the speed. I am not sure how fast you can go with a Four Stroke O/B. You run the risk of devaluing the boat if it does not proform the way it should. Boats of this caliber usually only run the Merc H/P motors. There are just certian hulls that must have the Merc's even if you don't care for them.
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Or put a set of Merc 3.2 strokers on there....yee haw!
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Tohatsu 80's totally awesome on that rig. Really 225 Opti's or Verado 250 minimum, anything else would be like buying a hybrid Ferrari. Merc power belongs on that rig.
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Tohatsu 80's totally awesome on that rig. Really Opti's or Verado 250 minimum, anything else would be like buying a hybrid Ferrari

Interesting analogy.
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I dont think the 96 has the stepped hull? I was thinking that it was well.....just wrong. I guess I could sell the hondas, re-rig.......... ah hell, thats a pass I reckon!
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I dont think the 96 has the stepped hull?

correct - std hull - my bad.... but still a perf hull none the less....
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I dont think the 96 has the stepped hull? I was thinking that it was well.....just wrong. I guess I could sell the hondas, re-rig.......... ah hell, thats a pass I reckon!
I think that is a good idea.....if you want a 31, buy it with the appropriate motors - Opti's.
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The 96 is not set up for the 4 str engines no mater who makes them the latest 31 they changed a few things to balance the weight of the verado's for this hull The 96 will run with these but it will not have the performance of a pair of 2 str engines
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The 96 is not set up for the 4 str engines no mater who makes them the latest 31 they changed a few things to balance the weight of the verado's for this hull The 96 will run with these but it will not have the performance of a pair of 2 str engines

You are right, the chines are being widened and lifting strakes are being changed on a few models now.
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I have a slightly different opinion than the mass on this one. Clearly the boat has BF225's on it now so all the chatter of what you SHOULD put on it is not a discussion point. The issue of weight is something to consider, you are looking at right about 100# more per engine over a Opti 250. I personally don't think the extra weight on a Fountain will mean anything more that a slight reduction in speed. With the boat sitting at rest in the water, pay particular attention to where the scuppers are. As for the high speed gearcase/water pick-up issue. I would hope that the Hondas have the Sabre gearcase. It would be a shame to put the stock gearcase on that boat IMO. The Sabre gearcase was introduced several years ago and is a great lower unit for high speed hulls with a BF225. Another consideration that would be in my mind is resale value down the road. As you can see from all the above posts, Fountain buyers expect Mercs on Fountains. It is rare to see anything but a Merc on a Fountain. On the speed side you are not going to be as fast as a Merc 225 Opti powered boat but I would guess we are talking about several MPH not 5 especially if the Sabre gearcase is on these engines. If you are going to slow troll the boat alot, there is no better engine for that than the Honda. Plan on awesome reliability, a lot less noise, better fuel economy at low speed, slightly worse fuel economy at high speed when comparing to 225 Optis. I have owned both a Honda 225 (Regulator 21)and a Opti 250XS (Fountain 25) and will say without hesitiation that the Honda is a superior engine. If top speed is not your main consideration, don't shy away from this package.
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Well said Sleeper. Honda is an excellent engine, great fuel consumption, very reliable.
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