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Afishinado, if you want to compare two boats let's compare a 30' Grady White with twin Yamaha 225 4 cycle outboards, to a 28' twin diesel engine Carolina Classic, with jack shafts and Volvo I/O twin prop drives. This summer my friend, who owns the Carolina Classic was considering moving into an outboard fishing boat, so as such, he arranged for a sea trial on a new 30' Grady White. With 225 on the back, the boat was under powered. _--(The boat needs 250s).---- In a slight chop, the ride would vibrate,(pound), the occupants to death even with the trim tabs set. It did not come close to the quality ride of a Carolina Classic. Now, this does not mean that the Grady White is not a high quality product. The fit and finish of the product is excellent, but it does not have the ride characteristics of a Carolina Classic. Does that mean that the Carolina Classic is better? ----NO! ----It just means that there are different boats on the market for different needs, applications, preferences and operating conditions. Bayliner and Trophy are safe boats if used in bays, rivers and close off shore fishing.------Just my opinion. ----Greg
Well this is about my first post here. I've read this forum many times. I've had Aquasport CCs and Wellcraft V-20. My sons and I have always fished the area around Block Island and Montauk. Gallilee,RI has been the major launching ramp.
With regard to the topic discussed here, it's my belief that each person's boat is his dream. And each person has his own reasons for selecting one make over another. To me, it's a personal choice. I respect other's personal choices and hope that they would respect mine. My next boat will most likely be a Steiger Chesapeake 23 with canvas back and I/O. I have spent more time than I should researching every make within reason. Some have features that are nice, but not needed.
Some have better fit and finish. Some may have higher resale value. When I sign the purchase agreement for the next boat, it's my personal decision and I will hope that I have made a good choice because I'll have to live with the decision.
Next year, my son and I will go down to Bellport and talk to Al and his team so I can get a better feel for the level of boat that he builds. I'd like to get Skimmer's e-mail so I can get his inputs on the Steiger line.
Bad Influence, -------If someone was kind enough to give me a Bayliner Boat, that was in usable condition, I would find a young person who wanted a boat to do some fishing, and give it to him / or her. When I was young, I was given an old wooden flat bottom boat with a 7.5 Mercury outboard. It made me very happy, because at the time, I could not afford a boat. I would NEVER destroy any usable piece of equipment.-------Just my opinion. ----Greg
One comment I'll make is that people sometimes confuse fit and finish with the ride and with safety. Rusted dock line connections or a dull gel coat finish does not affect the ride nor the safety aspect.
I think this says something about the strength and build quality of the Grady:
Now, I know a survey will be required to determine if any major damage was done. But to me it looks like some scratching and minor damage around the bow eye. Not to bad for a boat that came off the trailer at approx. 50 MPH!!!!
Quote from passenger in the truck "oh yeah, it is a Sailfish 25 with twin 200 yahama's. Big crack on the front right, and crunched around the eye. the tower is bent and broken too. The motors were also damaged. I'd say the damage is extensive, and a 50/50 chance it is totalled, but i hope i am wrong about that. Glad he has insurance"
Jobwoker, contrary to what you may wanna believe, you get into some real crap and a poorly built boat can most definately come apart right around you. If you don't believe that, I don't believe you've been on the water long enough.
Seawolf... If this thread was titled "Carolina Classics are better than Grady White" my initial response, if any, would have been quite different. Gradys have been proving how good they are for many years, by comparison, Car Classics are still a newcomer, but I do think they should be in the same league overall. The 28 is a different boat entirely, it'll ride different, it drifts different, it's buyers choice of design. Hell, the power are as different as you can get. BTW whomever was driving that Grady definately didn't know what he was doing, I have fished one with twin 250's numerous times. I NEVER experienced a pound or vibration that wasn't well deserved. The 306 Bimini is a sweetheart. The 250's are sweet, but IMHO it and the Car Classic (I looked hard at them once) are about as much fun to drive as a school bus.
I just realized I'm not better than the guys who bash Mercs all the time. Why do I really care what Seaswirl Paul thinks anyway??? Why am I working so hard to defend my precious Grady that works perfectly for my intended uses.
Wiley, please remove my CC membership. I'm not worthy.
Afishonado- I think you were missing my point. I agree that you wouldn't wnat to be out in nasty stuff in a poorly built boat. I'm saying that the Trophies are not poorly built boats.
Can you give me an example of how a newer Trophy is poorly built?
Can you give me an example where one fell apart or was severly damaged other than anecdotal evidence from a story one heard from someone else?
You may be right and I may be wrong (it's been know to happen) but I'm just asking for any supporting evidence. The point made above about poorly built (unsafe) vs fit and finish is a valid one.
Stop that nonsense and buy Mako. I have one sale. Though I very much like Grady (the way they constructed and finish) but the ride doesn't come near what I used to with my boat. I wouldn't feel comfy in 8 footers, but. I wouldn't be worry neither.
It is very hard to find another decent ride. However
I am looking to buy Carolina Classic 1999-2001 with diesels. if your friend will put one for sale let me know.
Sorry for not saying anything about Bayliner/Trophy. They don't exist in my universe.
My 2001 Trophy 2352's got vinylester resin, bronze thru-hulls, excellent non-skid, super bitchin hard top made in Florida no less etc., etc. The 5.7 Merc is the perfect motor but has needed 1 starter in the 250 hours I've run her. My issues have been a leaky windshield with the common painted aluminum corrosion, leaks in the bow area, unuser friendly engine access and whoever caulks these boats should be drawn and quartered. So, mostly standard issues some of which I've heard even the high end boys gripe about. The ride is pretty good but not good enough and that coupled with it's limited range has me in the Glacier Bay 2680 market which as soon as I sell my boat is my plan to upgrade to. If Trophy made a decent cat particularly with the Merc 1.7 diesels in it I'd give it serious consideration.