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Great. Now that the Japanese know where they are and know how to catch them, it won't be long before the squid are wiped out and the sperm whales also.
Thats pretty amazing. It really doesnt look like its 24' long, but Im sure this will deffinitly help in finding out more about these amazing creatures.
Great. Now that the Japanese know where they are and know how to catch them, it won't be long before the squid are wiped out and the sperm whales also.
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moschoj - 12/23/2006 4:29 PM
POOLDOO73. My thoughts exactly. Theres probably already a fleet of fishing boats trying to catch every last bit of living creatures in that area.
Well, the two of you are off mark. The Japanese are light years ahead of the US on conservation, recycling, and pollution control. They have to be…they totally destroyed their land with pollution and ran out of space to dump their crap so they had to do something. Today's Japan is extremely “earth friendly”, about a billion times more than the USofA. They just aren’t as selective about what they eat, so yes, they will eat whales (but not dogs!) but they will not hunt them to extinction. Japan is forever coming down on corruption in private business. So private (corrupt) whaling industries might wipe out the whales. But Japan’s whaling fleet is now government own and its operation is overseen by the government.
Ah, fish stories. If that squid is 24' long, Tsunemi Kubodera is 15' tall. Here is a link to an earlier story that gives the squid's length as 11' 6", and judging from the picture that is a stretch. http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...IANT-JAPAN.xml
Eyeball- If that s the case why do they kill more sharks then any other country in the world? The japanese are known for killing over 6 million sharks a year just for there Shark fin soup. They toss the rest of the fish overboard.
If you call that "conservation" our oceans will be emptied of all living things rather quickly.
You may be right about recyling(maybe, since I havent researched), but when it comes to the ocean and fish it seems you are off the mark .
Right on, MOSCHOJ. The Japanese are responsible for the near extinction of many species. In Michigan, bears are poached and killed for their gall bladders that go to Japan. Elephant ivory goes there.
Every year, they heard in dolphins for a mass slaughter. It's disgusting to call them conservationists. Get real.
Eyeball - 12/24/2006 3:58 AM
But Japan’s whaling fleet is now government own and its operation is overseen by the government.
Great. Their government is about as corrupt as they come.
I think you are going to be surprised. Where do you think the US rates for government corruption … above or below Japan?
I’ll try to dig up the website with the annual reporting of world wide corruption and I’ll post t back here for you, Adam. It’s kind of fun to look at and maybe a little surprising for some countries.
Eyeball- If that s the case why do they kill more sharks then any other country in the world? The japanese are known for killing over 6 million sharks a year just for there Shark fin soup. …
You’re not doing too good, moschoj. Shark fin soup is a Chinese dish! It is possible but rare to find it in Japan. In general, the Japanese people view sharks as one of the lowest grades of fish and do not desire to eat it, or its fins. They would rather eat a worm than a shark, no kidding. Sea cucumbers (worms) are highly valued, sharks are discarded.
Oh, and even if the Japanese really were killing 6-million sharks a year to sell the fins to the Chinese soup market in China ( dunno, I'm gussing where your claimed 6-mil sharks could go), that is NOTHING within the realm of the estimated 100-million+ sharks taken worldwide every year. Of those the best guess puts between 26-mil and 73-million are taken just for their fins (almost triple what was previously thought).
That is twice now that you have been off the mark, moschoj.
So, moschoj, which of the two countries that still does whaling, the US and Japan, do you think takes (kills) the most whales, per capita? (This is going to blow your socks off!!!)
Eyeball - 12/24/2006 3:58 AM
But Japan’s whaling fleet is now government own and its operation is overseen by the government.
Great. Their government is about as corrupt as they come.
I think you are going to be surprised. Where do you think the US rates for government corruption … above or below Japan?
I’ll try to dig up the website with the annual reporting of world wide corruption and I’ll post t back here for you, Adam. It’s kind of fun to look at and maybe a little surprising for some countries.
Adam, a perfect score (zero corruption) is 10.0.
Japan’s government ranks a 7.6.
The United State’s government ranks a 7.3.
Oh, that’s right…you’re the guy that also thinks there is no corruption in our judiciary, too.
Ok, my cheap shots aside, when you get a chance it’s interesting to read how the study is being conducted, what countries are omitted and why, and of course the rates for the individual countries themselves.
In general, Finland, Iceland, and New Zealand have the lowest levels of gov’t corruption (each scored 9.6). But we’re doing better than Mexico with a score of 3.3.
Note: there is no way to actually measure corruption. No one can walk into the government offices and say “everyone that is corrupt raise your hand.” So the numbers for gov’t corruption are a measure of how a populace rates (or perceives) their own government’s corruption. The numbers are a CPI (corruption perception index).
Eyeball,
Somehow I feel that your desire to always be correct overrides nearly any topic, article of discussion or reasonable rationale thought. You are extremely naive to believe that Japan's conservation is going to save their rampant actions of aggressive over-fishing that has already cost them irreversible damage. Cited by the BBC & World Wildlife, the majority of all commercial fishing habitats will be exhausted by 2040 in that area of the world. (meaning at least a 95% drop in availability of marine wildlife) - If you have any insight to that region, you would be able to easily observe the tremendous drop in fishing catch rates vs. just 10 years ago. I have a friend that lives in port city of Otaru, western Hokkaido. The Harbor at Rausu in Hokkaido when I visited in early nineties was once a mecca of fishing industry, now is just a relative ghost town. Catches of the fish once seemed boundless, but even local fishermen now admit that overfishing has blighted the fishery seemingly beyond repair. Somehow the Japanese had believed that a once inexhaustible supply coupled with an abundance of greed could somehow sustain itself without due diligent planning or responsible intervention.
Similarly, the Japanese national government's tendency to urge people to take "voluntary action" -- whether to reduce fishing, reduce personal/commercial consumption, or not sell contaminated meat -- simply doesn't take human nature into account. Where there's money to be made, made it will be -- until it becomes illegal. And the government corrupt or not doesn't have the fortitude to see these changes into law for some unknown reason. This is to the detriment of not only marine wildlife but to the lives of so many, and the course of extinction itself. Only reduced consumption, fixed quotas in managed systems, and sustainable fishing levels can save many marine species from this planned extinction --- and to the future of that region and its people.
You are a jackass. And you are an absolute fool to think I am going to defend the history of the Japanese fishing industry. That is not the topic of this thread.
Only an idiot derives their education from the BBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, or any other alphabet news source. That study you refer to was shot down by credible sources 10-seconds after the BBC published it. You didn’t do your homework.
I don’t need your second hand anecdotal stories from supposed friends living in Japan. I just moved back to the US this past October after having lived in Japan. Let me repeat for you and any other xenophobic idiots that think you are superior:
(1) Overwhelming, the Japanese people are extreme in their support of conservation and recycling, both local and globally. It is scary the way the government slams this down their throats. "Saving the earth" and the wildlife is now the single most popular theme among all Japanese school children.
(2) Private business in Japan can be corrupt. Due to the Japanese ‘don’t-think-outside-the-box’ culture, the bigger the company, I think the more likely there is corruption. Reference: Sony regarding the recent laptop battery recall.
(3) The Japanese government is very active in pursuing corruption in businesses. What you don’t hear about is the harsh punishment, either self-imposed or by way of Japanese courts. And it is harsh! You're claim that the Japanese people are intentionally and single-handedly killing the earth is without foundation. It's like saying because 4 US Marines are charged with murder ALL US Marines must be murders. I'm not buying into your stupid-man logic.
Today’s Japanese fishing industry isn’t going to fish the giant squid to extinction. Ain’t gonna happen. 20, 30-years ago, maybe, but not today. Let me guess, you also relying on a Tom Cruise movie for your education about Japan?!?
If what I post doesn’t work for you, go to your user profile and block my acct. You don’t have to read anything I write. Or you and any other self-appointed forum nannies can just blow off to somewhere else.
Best regards to you, too. And wishing you a safe and happy new years, too.
Giant Squid 
The Japanese are light years ahead of the US on conservation, recycling, and pollution control. They have to be…they totally destroyed their land with pollution and ran out of space to dump their crap so they had to do something. Today's Japan is extremely “earth friendly”, about a billion times more than the USofA. They just aren’t as selective about what they eat, so yes, they will eat whales (but not dogs!) but they will not hunt them to extinction. Japan is forever coming down on corruption in private business. So private (corrupt) whaling industries might wipe out the whales. But Japan’s whaling fleet is now government own and its operation is overseen by the government. 
dunno, I'm gussing where your claimed 6-mil sharks could go), that is NOTHING within the realm of the estimated 100-million+ sharks taken worldwide every year. Of those the best guess puts between 26-mil and 73-million are taken just for their fins (almost triple what was previously thought).
