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Getting to the point where I need to decide.
Bluewater 2550...I currently have selected Twin 200 HPDI Yam however Paul at the company feels the Johnson equivalent is what he prefers.
Any suggestions/recs on either?
(BTW, he says the 4 strokes are too heavy for this boat)
Johnson or Evinrude. The equivalent to the HPDI would be the Evinrude Ficht. The Johnsons are carborated, and that is an apples and oragnes comparison.
"Everyone should believe in something. I believe I will go fishing" --- Henry David Thoreau
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Re Sale is an important factor. But what if Rude has it right this time and the start gaining market share, and hold their resale value.
I also have a 200 HPDI and if I were to do it again, I think I would also have to go with the Rude's.
Yes Yami has a good proven engine but damn is that thing complicated compared to the Rude.
Not to mention the warenty they are giving away right now is definitley a nice bonous. You can take the savings and have about 30 years of Sea Tow for peace of mind.
Why Won't anybody give reasons?? I have a 2002 200 HPDI on my 21 Regulator and it has 215 hours on it. It runs perfect. I had one issue when it was new- The engine mounted oil tank float was replaced under warranty becasue it was calling for too much oil. Other than that I have changed the plugs every 60 to 100 hours and the gear oil twice, and it runs beautiful. My father has a 2002 200 FICHT new last year as well. He has a check engine light and alarm that has not been identified as of yet. the Motor has under 50 hours on it and it runs well- not as tight and quiet as the HPDI- it has that noisy mechanical evinrude sound.
My last boat had a 115 Evinrude Ficht 2002- 500 hours and not a minutes trouble ever. It's still running for the new owner.
My thoughts are that these things are complex machines. I beleive Yamaha makes a higher quality product. Maybe you should post a survey to collect data on hours and issues, etc.
Either way, I would like to see more of these owners with opinions back them up with reasons.
Personally- My next boat will be a center console with a Yanmar Diesel.
You have to be nuts to take a chance on un-proven technology over proven, reliable motors. "What if rude has it right this time...gains market share ..." and Bush actually wins the total votes in the next election? You really gonna take a chance?
I currently own a pair of 200 hp Fichts, that each have over 400 hours of trouble free service. They are quiet, fuel efficent and very reliable. I also think the Yamaha engine is a very good motor. When I get ready to re-power I will look first to the dealer support network (unfortunately, there are not as many Evinrude dealers as there once were) and secondly reliability. The Fichts got off to a rough start, but I believe they are ok now. However, I do agree that they currently have zero re-sale value. Their bad rep is unjust, but it is reality. I think the sale will help the engines, since a new buyer who writes a billion dollar check is going move his product forward. The rumor is Harley Davidson is seriously looking at the rec products division of BOMC - wouldn't that be something?
"Everyone should believe in something. I believe I will go fishing" --- Henry David Thoreau
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Have the 2003 - 200hp rude on a 232 Sea Hunt - so far great engine - quiet, good fuel efficiency and plenty of power. My final decision was made by where I elected to buy the boat- a good dealer with good service who is a Johnson / Evindrue dealer. I also liked the std 3 year warrantee.
The 200 FICHT puts out 35A for electronics and charging. The other 25A is exclusively for the engine controls. 200 HPDI alternator puts out 45A to the electronics and charging.....
TopCharge Alternator:
Only Evinrude has a dual-alternator system for incredible durability and performance. One supplies ample power for the direct injectors, electronic module and ignition system. The Top Charge alternator generates up to 35 Amps to power all your onboard electronics and charge the batteries. A battery isolator for charging twin batteries is standard. Ouput of both alternators exceeds 60 Amps.
ALSO:
Yamaha is running a promo at this time offering 4 years of warranty for free....
Consumer benefit for purchasing an eligible Yamaha HPDI two-stroke 150-250hp outboard is a 24 month Yamaha Extended Service (Y.E.S.) contract at no extra cost....
[This message was edited by aquasport17 on 06-24-03 at 02:37 PM.]
I like your idea of the center consol inboard. I think that is gonna be my next also.
Anyway seams like you are going through plugs pretty quick. Just curious, are you running ring free?
I'm not trying to take a dig here. I also have a 200 HPDI and trying to find all trends and tricks possible. I have about 50hrs on mine and it is currently in for a voltage problem that they can't seam to track down.
So far no ring free for me and regular gas. I think the next time I have to fill I will begin with the ring free, and continue with regular 87 oct gas.
Yes I use ring free and 2M. Before I changed plugs at 100 hours-ish i noticed a rough idle, but no performance loss. I am ready to change now at about 75 hours more as a preventative measure, and I am doing more trolling now in the summer. I run regular 87 Octane.
I'm curious as to this voltage issue? What were the symptoms? You can catch me via email at aquasport17@attbi.com (I used to own an aquasport 17)
quote:Originally posted by sean9k:
Re Sale is an important factor. But what if Rude has it right this time and the start gaining market share, and hold their resale value.
I also have a 200 HPDI and if I were to do it again, I think I would also have to go with the Rude's.
Yes Yami has a good proven engine but damn is that thing complicated compared to the Rude.
Not to mention the warenty they are giving away right now is definitley a nice bonous. You can take the savings and have about 30 years of Sea Tow for peace of mind.
Sean,
Nice try!!! Actually, if you study the two motors side by side, the Rude has more moving parts, more electronic parts and is MUCH more complicated to work on (due to space limitations and access). The extra year of warranty is being offered to fend off the exact thing I'm taking about, re-sale value. And guess what? it ain't workin. If they want the resale value to go up, they have to build a better, more reliable motor, period. And that will only come with time.
Gaining market share? LOL, I won't even comment on that (as the rude boys are almost bankrupt, again).
200 Yam HPDI or the new Evinrude/Johnson?
