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Old 11-02-2006, 02:30 PM
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I have not made it over to the panga factory in Guaymas. Hope to take the ferry that runs from Santa Rosalia to Guaymas some day and visit the area and the panga factory. I spend most of my time in Baja fishing around the Santa Rosalia area. Many of my Mexican fishing partners fish for the giant Humboldt squid/calamari for a living. A trip to Guaymas is on my future side trip list.
There are just 2 different molds that I know of, sitting under a tree, and half the workforce has had a little too much glue. I would not take a 10 hr ferry ride for that.

The one in mazatlan is a little more formal, but works out of a 1000 sq foot building and a 3000 sq foot open air yard, so again not much to get excited about.

But I have a friend who builds $1 million dollar escape boats for oil platform crews, and an austrailian hull could be turned into a mold in his hands.

Not many new $8,000 pangas being sold in Mexico as the fishing is not stellar, and its easy to patch up an old one that can be bought for $100-500 bucks.
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Bullshipper,

The two leading Aussie builders would be www.southernstarmarine.com.au (formerly Southwind/Yamaha), www.stingerboats.com.au I guess.

I dont have any experience with the Pangler, so can't really comment there sorry.
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Bullshipper,

The two leading Aussie builders would be www.southernstarmarine.com.au (formerly Southwind/Yamaha), www.stingerboats.com.au I guess.

I dont have any experience with the Pangler, so can't really comment there sorry.
Thanks for the info
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Took the pictures of this panga in Baja, however, I believe they said the factory that made this panga version was on the mainland side, possibly near Mexico City. This is the only one of its kind I have seen. Not a common Baja panga. It did not looked like it was ever outfitted or used.



That is a modern non foamed stringer system as available in all the expensive boats.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:10 PM
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this is just my opinion.......
have only seen angler on net and wouldnt say with knowledge
but the angler has delta pad and deeper v/chine section also variable in that it gets steeper angle as you move towards bow
guessing starts 15o transom 20o amidship
in general a deeper variable v will be less stable at rest but run chop/wave faster

there are specific reasons why yam have designed the water line as they have
the upsweep sturn is for a following wave..not somewhere to put trim tabs
as you know..the move further away from the equator the seas get rougher
the japs see sea-keeping as paramount in their work boats..even at the expense of loss of speed
although skegs and straits create drag..they use them for dynamic directional stability..as i see it


in my hull lines pic, i put up..there is suppose to be 2 rubbing strips like on the bow put on the skegs
in pic 3 you can see the indent for where they are suppose to start
the american type panga is running in different seas from what is in japan and australia..
so a smoother hull [less drag] for better speed is designed for the boats

information on the net for the yamaha wasen boat is virtually non existent
but if you want to splash a "work boat" hull..i think i would look at the eduardon like what the yank builders use and import a built in japan one [ it wont be cheap exercise but nothing is, when you set up for a production run]..even their big ones are designed for beach launch.. and see which is more suited..at least you will see the differences in each


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Baja seas are rough every day as hot thermals build to 40 knots and the wind chop is rougher than you will find on the Pacific. The Gulf of Mexico can also be brutal so I don't think that a wave comparision is very productive to this discussion.

Baja pangas have almost flat transoms to increase the narrow stability on the water and on the beach as most skipper will run wot at the beach to glide the boat away from the water as far as they can letting the motorleg loose so that it drag in the wet sand 40 feet behind them. You really have to use you legs and feet to keep from being thrown forward when you hit the beach going +50 kph. For this reason the fishermen wount buy aluminum boats as they will not slide in wet sand unless painted, and the paint rubs off pretty fast.

Once on the beach, the bow has to be turned around, pushed close to the water, loaded, motor started dry, then the mad push and jumpin and motor start before the next wave breaks.

So performance on the sand is just as important to avoid hernias early in the morning.

Deep vees would lay on their side, and be a lot harder to turn and push. The pad on the delta pad hull would also no be much of a problem either.

But we are not going to live on the beach loike a Mexican fisherman. We all trailer to ramps, so deep v hulls and weight are not a big problem. Here 26' and up is king as length is important to seakeeping and ride, but let us stress that 95% of pangas go 30 mph or slower so when you compare them to 50 mph contenders we are not being fair.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:44 PM
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I will second Bullshippers accurate description of the rough Baja seas. I have spent far too many days sitting on the beach eating sand from the strong wind. Sometimes the wind will blow so hard, and for so long we do not fish for a week. One time, in my own boat, I got caught out when a sudden wind storm came up. The seas were so rough I could not make it back to my bay. Had to beach my boat and spend the night on an island, along with about 10 panga fishermen.
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i dont mean to sound pompous..and when i do..slap me over the head
thats bigger thermals then we get..where i am averages 25kn of an afternoon
it takes a squall or front to move in for 40kn or more
werent the mex panga a close shore net boat originally..
our local purse net boats dont work deeper than 5m and prolly 20-30ml along the coast

they would be designed perfectly for what they are used for..running up on beach etc.
if you guys are traveling out into the gulf and want more seaworthy..but still cheap to buy and run...

the eduardono have a large range of boats,,have you seen them?
seems to be the americas version from what i've seen...panga.com, panga marine and andros


as i altered my post before you posted re:me being told on baja forum that 22' was the ideal lenght there

thanks ,,25+ is prefered ..is this the netters ..or the guys trolling for game fish?..im sitting in australia..not hard for me to get confused
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if it was me and lived in mexico...and wanted 25ft plus...
i'd look at the eduardono 26' and 32' [like aussie usa ones] and the angler 26'
i'd go for a test ride on the 3...if for no other reason but curiosity

and both would fit skegs and a rear bulkhead as options if anyone wanted

angler... they came from down sth....i dont know who.... usa angler may be of help to locate mex dealer
http://www.anglerboats.com/models/in...?model=26panga

eduardono.. a few dealers on this page in link up top of page
http://www.eduardono.com/eduardono/i...t/view/full/79

but this hasnt answered the question....how did the yamaha hull get around the world and to the americas
and which came first..the chicken or the egg
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3 posts in a row..sorry..but ya cant edit after 1/2 hr...bet ya hope i dont find any more pangas

here is a mex 25w not same as jap..but similar..1.8 beam ...[skinnier than eduardono]
The W-25 model is a recommendable boat for commercial fishing ribereña and of bays. Design proven by but of 15 years in Mexico. Adaptable helmet for sport boat.

http://<a href="http://www.imemsa.co...as/w25.asp</a>





and this is their full range

http://<a href="http://www.imemsa.co...rativo.asp</a>


the w26pc doesnt look too bad either [but skinnier than eduardono]
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With the gunnels design and low sides on the Yamaha panga pictured just above, it looks very much like a panga made on the mainland in one of the factories around Mexico City. I am not 100% sure of this, maybe Bullshippers knows which factory makes this panga.

The brochure you posted translates the Yamaha panga version to be a river or bay boat.

If this is the panga I believe it to be I have seen a few in Baja used for commercial fishing. However, the fishermen had to build the sides up higher to increase the freeboard. Also, the lay up of the fiberglass was much thinner than the pangas most commercial fishermen use. This made the panga lighter and more economical, also made it easier to puncture holes in the bottom when run up on the beach. The holes in the bottom were to big deal. The commercial fishermen patch their boats all the time. The low sides were a problem.

The prices were less for the Yamaha panga than the commercial grade. The lower price probably was the reason a few commercial fishermen tried them. This model did not catch on for open seas on the Baja side, Not sure if they are popular on the gulf side, however, would be the ideal lake or river panga.

This lighter weight, lower freeboard Yamaha panga design may be part of the reason for such a difference in perfomance numbers to the commercial grade Mexican panga I have used and familiar with.

Thanks for finding a Yamaha connection to a Mexican panga factory..

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bajadan...that is the one made in mex..it was google translate...


can we leave the seakeeping of a true yam panga for later..
i'll argue that till the cows come home
especially if you are saying the pic i put up before of the 5deg mex boat has better seakeeping
yam has been making them for yonks...if it needed higher sides they would have it...
people may like higher side...personal opinion....
the drug runners seem happy enough with the seakeeping of the eduardono..
they would be in the worst seas running fast

but lets leave this till later...dont want to side track too much

here is a yamaha in ni....still dont look the same as jap site

http://<a href="http://www.yamaha.co.../Botes.htm</a>
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I have owned an american made panga for 2 years, 22' with a Yam f115 pushing it. I fish the gulf oil rigs/wrecks, the inside marsh and the barrier islands of Mississippi. The boat is great. Simple but extremely versatile. I had the big heavy deep v (24 degree), I love this boat..It is the pangamarine.com boat. It is far more versatile than a bay boat, offshore boat etc...it does it all and at 6 mpg, does it cheaply...
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bajadan...that is the one made in mex..it was google translate...


can we leave the seakeeping of a true yam panga for later..
i'll argue that till the cows come home
especially if you are saying the pic i put up before of the 5deg mex boat has better seakeeping
yam has been making them for yonks...if it needed higher sides they would have it...
people may like higher side...personal opinion....
the drug runners seem happy enough with the seakeeping of the eduardono..
they would be in the worst seas running fast

but lets leave this till later...dont want to side track too much*

here is a yamaha in ni....still dont look the same as jap site

http://<a href="http://www.yamaha.co.../Botes.htm</a>
I agree with everything that bajadan says on his previous post about this hull being very wet, and the locals trtying to raise its sides.

The boggii out of Mazatlan is more popular as it is faster, lighter, dryer, and cheaper.

I have still not found a link to the Eduardoño, but I think I have seen one imported from columbia. Much too heavy for beach launching, but bigger and better construction than the Mx styles currently produced.
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1pman...thats virtually the same as yamaha have in australia...they are a top boat
havent found them on the yamaha japan site yet...

guys
i am making no claim for the mexican imemsa ..
i simply put up the link i found
it may indeed be a thin wet POS

nor am i saying the yamaha panga is a fishing 200ml deep ocean boat
its obvious that neither of you have been to the yamaha jp site i put up

PLEASE GO AND HAVE A LOOK

this is their medium to long range ocean vessels..click on the pictures
if you want english put the link into google and search..then click translate

after you have seen the range of yamaha boats...then we can talk

yamaha claim for the wasen/panga
The wasen series which centers the north Japanese area is lined up.
As for J series from 16 feet to 26 feet, as for north Japanese edition W series from 22 feet to 36 feet,
We correspond to the various needs of the sea north.

they are what they were designed for in the north sea

if you go here and click the 5 pictures and the links on the side
you will see yamaha fleet they go to 70ft ships

http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/marine/li...ish/index.html

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IM412,

Hmm, not sure how to respond here. Thought I was agreeing with you that the panga in the picture was made in Mexico, I just assumed that since it is from a Yamaha brochure that Yamaha may have some connection to it. I am not sure which factory in Mexico manufactured it.

Never called it a POS. Just stated it did not work well under Baja conditions.

I have looked at the site you mentioned, several times. Find a large variety of sizes and styles of pangas. Some are unbelievably awesome looking.. Just can not translate what it says. Would like to test ride some of those babies.

Sorry if I upset you. That was not my intent.

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its 5.30 in the morning here....and im prolly cranky,,sorry that i jumped
i get frustrated..typing is a poor way of communicating for me

i'm not defending the imemsa but it has the flotation gunwales...dam hard to put one of them under water
i think if the mex fishermen wanted higher sides it would of been for carrying more weight
higher sides enable greater displacement
as i said i can make no claim for the imemsa,,never seen one
POS..is the same as when i said yamaha stole...its taking it to the worst senareo

to get yamaha in english
copy the link //open google // paste in and click search//the link will come up in results//click on translate
the page will open in english..
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its 5.30 in the morning here....and im prolly cranky,,sorry that i jumped
i get frustrated..typing is a poor way of communicating for me

i'm not defending the imemsa but it has the flotation gunwales...dam hard to put one of them under water
i think if the mex fishermen wanted higher sides it would of been for carrying more weight
higher sides enable greater displacement
as i said i can make no claim for the imemsa,,never seen one
POS..is the same as when i said yamaha stole...its taking it to the worst senareo

to get yamaha in english
copy the link //open google // paste in and click search//the link will come up in results//click on translate
the page will open in english..
I looked at it too, but need my CD program disk to translate from japanese to english, so just pictures for now.
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My Eduardono is too heavy for beach launching like smaller ones do. I do launch my boat at the beach with a full size bronco, but I do it as you would on a regular ramp. I wish I could post a picture of mine but here is a link to give you an idea of how mine looks like.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=...z&x=0&y=jps3am

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Here is a pic of Hooked Up's Panga....SWEEEEEEETTTT!!!

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