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Old 10-11-2006, 08:20 PM
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Was ready to buy Sta-bil for my boat and the guy at boaters world recomended Startron fuel treatment. I already use it to help with ethanol but didn't know it was also a stabalizer. It does say it will keep gas stabil for a year - anyone use it over the winter? I want to use which ever is better. Star tron costs less but I want what is best since I will treat 225 galloins.

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I'm not taking any chances, so I'm putting both into my tank now. It's very likely that I won't be adding any more gas to my tank for at least 6 months.
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I doubled the amount of Sta-Bil in my tanks for the winter. That is what the Mass. Fire Marshal is suggesting, since it is illegal to leave boat fuel tanks empty during storage. One thing is for sure, We are all going to be happy or very very sad in the spring, when we get the results at start up.
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Ditto, both products for me .

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I'm using it to stabilize my gas. Why pay for something else when Startron will do it?? I'm going using it to stabilize my gas. All those Europeans that have been using it for years can't be wrong. BTW, Startron has been sold over in Europe for years now as Soltron.


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I've used Soltron before, in a diesel engine sailboat - breaks down everything in the tank. Have to change filters a few times, but then everything in the fuel system is pure and clean.

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Startron is the way to go with the new fuel!
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I doubled the amount of Sta-Bil in my tanks for the winter. That is what the Mass. Fire Marshal is suggesting, since it is illegal to leave boat fuel tanks empty during storage.
Interresting point.
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I'm not taking any chances, so I'm putting both into my tank now. It's very likely that I won't be adding any more gas to my tank for at least 6 months.
Isn't that redundant?
Why use both? They do the same thing, don't they?
You may run the risk of the two interacting in some negative way.

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I haven't had any negative interactions so far with using both, and I've been doing it for the past several weeks - maybe 50 gallons of gas. I figure that I've got $300 of gas in my tank. What's another $15-20 worth of extra (redundant) stabilizer? It would be far more time, trouble, and money to deal with a tank full of bad gas in the spring. When it starts getting cold and my days are limited, I'm going to dump an extra dose of each in the tank just to be safe.
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I don't know, just wondering out loud...
Instead of mixing them, why not double up on the one you trust most?
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:33 PM
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Instead of mixing them, why not double up on the one you trust most?
Maybe because no one really knows (yet) which product to trust the most with E10.
For many of us, E10 chemistry during winter storage is an unknown quantity...

I just put 90 gallons of fuel in my ride and dumped a bottle of StaBil (treats 80 gallons), 10 ounces of Startron, and 10 ounces of Ringfree in the tank.

I should be golden for the rest of the fishing season and the winter lay-up too.
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I read the Soltron literature, and have used this product in the past. It's a biocide mainly, breaking down sludge and contaminants in fuel, mostly diesel into a burnable mixture. If Startron is StarBrite's re-labeling of this product, then I'm not sure how much this helps the ethanol separation problem over winter layup.

How does Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer work?

Just the facts, ma'am...

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I read the Soltron literature, and have used this product in the past. It's a biocide mainly, breaking down sludge and contaminants in fuel, mostly diesel into a burnable mixture. If Startron is StarBrite's re-labeling of this product, then I'm not sure how much this helps the ethanol separation problem over winter layup.

How does Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer work?

Just the facts, ma'am...

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Here's the info on Soltron, which is the same as Startron and xBee:

Gums and resins can form in fuel during storage due to oxidation of products within the fuel. Soltron® / Xbee® helps to stabilize fuel, restricts the separation and oxidation process and limits fuel degradation. In many cases, Soltron®/ Xbee® can also revitalize old fuel and reclaim water-fouled fuel.

I have no idea how fuel stablizers work and I have no idea why, the US marketer Star Brite, chose to use a different name then what is used else were.


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Thanks, DAE, that sounds more on target.
Are we certain both products (Soltron, Startron) are identical?
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Thanks, DAE, that sounds more on target.
Are we certain both products (Soltron, Startron) are identical?
There the same. Here's some info and the link if you want to read.

"We are currently utilizing distributors, oil marketers, independent sales
representatives and direct sales activities to provide a focused marketing
effort, which we believe will expose Soltron(R) directly to prospective
customers. We employ a national sales manager who develops and services
distributors and independent sales representatives throughout the United States,
Canada and Mexico. We also utilize other traditional distribution channels
including a Web site and resale distribution through retail chains such as NAPA.
In addition, through private labeling arrangements, we also sell Soltron(R)
through Ocean Bio-Chem, Inc. (dba Starbrite) under the brand name "Startron,"
and through Xtra Export Trade under the brand name "XBee," throughout all of the
European Union countries."

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/09/...4/Section2.asp


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http://www.ewboats.com/news.cfm?press_id=24
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According to the press release, there's nothing to worry about...

E-10 Unleaded does not damage engine parts or fuel system components.
E-10 Unleaded is compatible with all fuel system components that have been manufactured in the last 15 years. Older engines may be affected by the aromatics in unleaded gasoline, but this is not a result of ethanol. Ethanol also has no effect on valve longevity.

E-10 Unleaded will clean a dirty fuel tank helping improve performance.
If your fuel tank is dirty or has not been regularly maintained, using E-10 Unleaded may loosen rust and contaminants that have built up over the years—and your fuel filter may clog initially. But a simple change in filter—and continued use of E-10 Unleaded—will ensure a clean tank and reduced build-up of contaminants in the future, leading to improved performance.

E-10 Unleaded does not separate from two-stroke engine oil mixtures.
The ethanol in E-10 Unleaded does not affect the mixture of gasoline and two-stroke engine oil unless there is a high level of water in the gasoline (above 0.5 percent). By comparison, ordinary gasoline can only hold 0.02 percent water. So E-10 Unleaded is even more water-tolerant. E-10 Unleaded eliminates the need for gas line antifreeze. The ethanol in E-10 Unleaded suspends moisture, which allows moisture to burn through combustion instead of collecting in the gas line and freezing.

E-10 Unleaded requires no special care.
With E-10 Unleaded, you treat your fuel supply just as you treat ordinary unleaded gasoline. Simply use season-appropriate fuel and normal common sense procedures regarding gasoline storage and fuel system maintenance.
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Stabilization of ethanol-gasoline mixtures

Document Type and Number: United States Patent 4328004

Link to this Page: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4328004.html

Abstract: A stabilized composition of matter comprising a fuel oil, such as gasoline, ethanol, small amounts of water and a stabilizing amount of an additive which is substantially insoluble in water, but which is soluble in ethyl alcohol and gasoline and is effective to prevent the separation of the gasoline-ethyl alcohol solution into two distinct phases; said additive being n-hexylalcohol, hereinafter, n-hexanol. The invention also includes a method for stabilizing gasoline, that is, for preventing or retarding the phase separation of gasoline-ethanol mixtures in the presence of small amounts of water, and this being the case when the temperature of the gasoline-ethanol mixture has been reduced to below 20.degree. F.


I find it interesting that Sta-bil is using isopropanol while Startron has gone with Napa for some reason. Perhaps a patent issue?
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Actually NAPA is an auto parts retailer not a component of
stratron, soltron or Xbee. .
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