The Boating Forum - Most economical twin powered boat for 100nm offshore fishing=

With the Iran sanctions coming on it looks like fuel prices are about increase again. What is the most economical twin engined boat that has the range and seaworthiness to overnight 100mn offshore? ;?

Yamaha Twin 200 HPDI's.

The best service record.
They are great on fuel
I am averaging 10.5 to 12 gph at 2900 RPM Fantastic

26' Glacier Bay with four strokes and 230 gallons fuel ought to have the range ad staying power.

Need more info..... What type of boat, size, fuel choice, etc..... ;?

You prefer a CC outboard or inboard diesels? A twin motor outboard (4 stroke or Etec) is going to be the most efficient with enough range to get there, troll around, and get back comfortably.

On my last offshore trip of about 200 miles round trip with five guys on board and full gear & ice, the engines did not shut down for about thirteen hours. We used 103 gallons with a capacity of 210. This was with twin F225.

A slow displacement hull will be you best bet on fuel if you are looking for something large enough that you can sleep on in seas.

If you are looking for something to get you out there in a cople of hours at a good capital cost, then a used Fountain 31 with 225 opti´s will get you about 1.7 mpg at a 48 mph cruise.

26ft panga with twin 90's... Real economy would come from the diesel with a decent kicker (still two engines and 35gallons of an 80 or 110 gal. tank used for a 200 mile run). No cabin. Overnight would be camping, no 4 star hotel.. Arlon

This demo boat recently sold for under $32k
http://fototime.com/5C9642EC55B837C/standard.jpg

Not to derail the thread, but what are they asking for the panga with twin Opti's?

Sorry, didn't notice the quote. Thanks Arlon.

Twin Volvo Penta D3 common rail lightweight high speed diesels---they dont know how to use fuel!-- sooooo....economical-and long lasting!717lbs single prop/727lb duoprop model! 190hp rating

not enuf data... but I would opt for a diesel inboard SeaVee...

Albin 28 or 31 TE with Single diesel. Very economical and seaworthy. Plus, nice sleeping quarters.......... you will need them for 200 mile round trip at 18-20 knots.
;?

I don"t want to be 100 miles offshore with single power and I don't mine camping out in a center console. I previously had a 31' foot Contender with twin F-225 Yammies and would burn about 240 gallons (fuel Capacity 300) for a two day trip 100 nm offshore (18 hour trolling) for Blue Marlin. I lost my boat to hurricane Katrina and am looking for a new (used ) boat for this purpose.

Considering 28' Bluewater with F-225's and 337 fuel. Ought to have mucho range and staying power.

Everglades 290 CC with twin Honda BF225 4 strokes. 200 gal fuel tank. 2.49 mpg @ 29.9 mph. do the math. that's 490 miles of range. the 26 CC gets even better economy (518 miles).

I think based on what you just said you had the perfect rig for the job. Only boat comparable and maybe more efficient would be a 27 contender with twin 200 hpdi's or 200 or 225 zukes on it.

If you are concerned about the running costs:
Coming from a Contender 31 w/ F225s, in a monohull I'd guess a Yellowfin would be faster and more fuel efficient in that size range.

If you open it up to Cats, then I'd add the 26 Twinvee, The bigger of the 2 prowlers to the suggestions already listed.

arlon - 1/23/2006 7:30 AM

26ft panga with twin 90's... Real economy would come from the diesel with a decent kicker (still two engines and 35gallons of an 80 or 110 gal. tank used for a 200 mile run). No cabin. Overnight would be camping, no 4 star hotel.. Arlon

This demo boat recently sold for under $32k

I guess you can't beat that price and fuel efficiency..

30' prowler w 225 honda's or 200hp opti/etec/hpdi's This is big enough and get's good mpg
Another would be the fincat32 with the same power option These are both well made and capable for that kinda run with good fuel #'s
The first v hull would be the 31 fountain with the xtra fuel option There are more capable but this hull has great #'s if that is the first consideration 100 one way out not down the beach is for the best of boats good luck

CHECK THE #S ON THAT EVERGLADE- THAT IS A HEAVY BOAT- 2.49 MPG AT WHAT SPEED ?

What he said. The 34' seavee with a single 540 cummins will get 2 mpg at a 35mph cruise.







Glen E - 1/23/2006 7:44 AM

not enuf data... but I would opt for a diesel inboard SeaVee...

34 Seavee, 34-36 YF, 31-36 Contender, or Prowler 306 if a cat is your ticket.

The 29 Everglades numbers are your "boat show special". :Q

34 SeaVee with triple E-Tecs or HPDI's
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Cats would be good but stay away from Twin Vee you can't count on the factory keeping your dealer around.

Dave

Jack-drive rigged diesel CC, but you'd need a kicker or some form of auxiliary power => 3.5 mpg, or so I hear.

Not enuf data.. What are you willing to give up for economy? Speed? Comfort?
I'm not anxious to give up anything, in fact, I want more of everything when I'm 100NM off the beach.

If heading offshore 100NM was my primary usage, I would probably start w/ a 28 Albe w/ twin IB diesels, and compare it to the 28Carolina Classic, and 28 Henriq - All 3 are pretty frugal considering what you get in the Offshore capable Express pocket battlewagon category.

If it had to be a Monohull Center Console w/ twin OB: Yellowfin, Contender, Whitewater, Fountain, Cape Horn 31 (at the lower end for initial purchase price, and lower fit and finish). 31' and above, maybe the 28 WW.

If you open it up to Cats: Prowler 306, Glacier Bay (probably others but not sure).

If you are happy w/ a single Diesel: Seavee, Whitewater, Albin, Cape Cod 26 is worth a look.

If overnighting, shelter would be a high priority to me. If doing long day trolls, speed would be more important to me.
If fuel economy was the absolute #1 priority, then the Prowler, the single diesels, and the Yellowfing would be my top pics.

solarfry - 2/2/2006 5:58 PM

arlon - 1/23/2006 7:30 AM

26ft panga with twin 90's... Real economy would come from the diesel with a decent kicker (still two engines and 35gallons of an 80 or 110 gal. tank used for a 200 mile run). No cabin. Overnight would be camping, no 4 star hotel.. Arlon

This demo boat recently sold for under $32k


I guess you can't beat that price and fuel efficiency..


Bang for the buck, I can't think of anything that even comes close to the Angler panga. People laugh at the name but they usually get more serious when they put their feet in one and go for a ride. If you want to spend 2-3 times as much money, there are a lot of boats that will do the job but so will the Panga. Personally I prefer the budget boat and investing what's left over...

Since no dealers around Houston carry them, mines usually open for a personal inspection... Arlon

my mistake

30' Ocean Sport Roamer built by Lindell, sleeps 5, 330 gallons of fuel, cruise at 36 mph, great range and weather protection.
http://islandsmarinecenter.com/islandsmarinecenter/islandsmarinecenter_6.html

PERFORMANCE DATA (FOR D4 260HP)

Idle 1 RPM 700 MPH 4.37 GPH .58 MPG 7.53 RANGE 2,259
Idle 2 RPM 700 MPH 5.98 GPH 1.02 MPG 5.86 RANGE 1,758
RPM 1000 MPH 7.36 GPH 2.04 MPG 3.61 RANGE 1,083
RPM 1500 MPH 10.47 GPH 5.79 MPG 1.81 RANGE 543
RPM 2000 MPH 17.14 GPH 9.4 MPG 1.82 RANGE 546
RPM 2500 MPH 31.05 GPH 13.6 MPG 2.28 RANGE 684
RPM 2700 MPH 31.63 GPH 14.5 MPG 2.18 RANGE 654
RPM 3000 MPH 36.69 GPH 17.2 MPG 2.13 RANGE 639
RPM 3200 MPH 39.68 GPH 19.7 MPG 2.01 RANGE 603
RPM 3300 MPH 40.48 GPH 21.9 MPG 1.82 RANGE 555
RPM 3600 MPH 44.85 GPH 28.2 MPG 1.59 RANGE 477

I'll have to throw the Mirage 32 with single diesel/duoprop into the mix. I know it's a single engine but it would provide great cruising speed and economy (as well as sleeping accomodation in a center console).

I had one with twin diesels and it was a great boat.

http://www.mirage-mfg.com/html/sportfishhome.html

Doug

Mirage 29 or 32 with a single diesel will get you close to 3 mpg . They do make a twin diesel set up but you loose all the gas savings of a single , maybe 1.5 mpg if your lucky . But with a raft , sideband radio , epirb and sat phone a single diesel should be just fine and get you speed and economy with 28 to 34 knots @3 mpg . cant beat that , plus the boat has sleeping quarters for 4 people , stand up head and shower .....cant beat the mirage .
www.mirage-mfg.com i have the outboard version and she isnt a fuel saver see her here www.titlewavesportfishing.com hopefully i will be converting to the single diesel soon as i can barley afford to go out a 100 miles anymore ....lol. problem is , its a 45k to 50 k dollar upgrade :o

TG_190 - 2/3/2006 9:38 AM

If heading offshore 100NM was my primary usage, I would probably start w/ a 28 Albe w/ twin IB diesels, and compare it to the 28Carolina Classic, and 28 Henriq - All 3 are pretty frugal considering what you get in the Offshore capable Express pocket battlewagon category.

If it had to be a Monohull Center Console w/ twin OB: Yellowfin, Contender, Whitewater, Fountain, Cape Horn 31 (at the lower end for initial purchase price, and lower fit and finish). 31' and above, maybe the 28 WW.

If you open it up to Cats: Prowler 306, Glacier Bay (probably others but not sure).

If you are happy w/ a single Diesel: Seavee, Whitewater, Albin, Cape Cod 26 is worth a look.

If overnighting, shelter would be a high priority to me. If doing long day trolls, speed would be more important to me.
If fuel economy was the absolute #1 priority, then the Prowler, the single diesels, and the Yellowfing would be my top pics.
Go with a 35 downeaster with a single diesel. Decent speed, decent comfort, excellent fishability, very economical, and very safe.

I'm speaking from EXPERIENCE...Glacier Bay 240 Gls of fuel Twin 150's HPDI running 28 MPH loaded with lots of gear for overnight fishing the grounds...2.3 MPG..Do the math!!!

Push her to up to 35 MPH in and out at 2 MPG, loaded heavy!!!

Been there and done that 100-130 miles one way to open Gulf water..

Capt. JohnE
260 Canyon Runner

I do not believe taking a single engine boat 100 miles off the beach is a wise thing to do, regardless of how efficient it is.

With fuel prices back in the limelight thought it may be timely to bump this thread.

38 fountain te, trip 275 verados, top 70 plus, cruise at 45 at 1.5 + mpg, she will get you home safely

I can get the same 2.3 mpg as the Glacier Bay, but at 43 mph instead of 28. Any hull that is fast with its respective power will also be efficient at cruise. 3800 rpms--41 mph---17 gph--that's with 225 optimaxes. Oh BTW, .5 gph at idle between the two engines

I am taking a single engine sea vee to the "other side" on friday if the weather holds out. We get over 2mpg in a 34ft boat, and we still cruise around 34 mph. If we break down, we have a sat phone and an EPIRB. A lot of long range trawlers and commercial guys use a singe diesel for long trips. Just keep up on maintenance and pull oil samples regularly.

I someone posts a specific question, such as "economical twin powered boat.....?", why are so many worthless posts generated, such as "if you want to consider a single engine, then..........". I seriously doubt there are many users of this site that don't know that a single engine craft is generally more fuel-efficient than a twin.

BTW, I'm a fan of single engine boats for reasons of economy, both in capital expenditure and operation. But a single engine boat doesn't answer the poster's question. Also, I gotta say that I admire anyone who's willing to running 100nm offshore to catch fish. I love to fish, but not quite that much.

35-40' downeaster with a single diesel. You'll be looking at 10-12gph @ 18-20kts. It may be a single but they are very dependable if properly maintained. Some will go 2,000-5,000hrs without failure...

Arlon,

sounds like you have the best answer going. Having seen one of those pangas offshore recently, the following concerns came up:

It looked really narrow
The gunnels were so low, it looked like a wave could roll right inside.
It looked like a fairly flat-bottomed boat.

Where do you fish that you need to go 100 miles offshore?

There are a lot regions in the gulf that you need to run 100+ miles offshore. Also in FL if you run out of east central and NE FL you have to run up 120 miles in order to reach the other side of the stream. I do it tuna fishing because the east side of the stream has a lot more fish, especially YFT. Also if you want to fish the Dry Tortugas out of FL its 70 miles from Key West and 90 from Ft. Myers. So for me there are a lot of reasons that I fish anywhere from 70 to 100 miles offshore. :thumbsup:

I clocked my parker 2510 with new yammie four strokes (F150's) at 2 mpg with a full tank and 2 guys on board at about 20 knots. More typical crusing speeds with 4 guys and gear will probably come in around 1.6-1.8. Numbers are still preliminary, but it's looking good.

100 miles will take me to east atlantis. The hudson will probably be closer to 85 miles. These are one way distances from montauk point. Obviously you have to add trolling distances and the effect of high sea conditions (mpg can suck if you can't get on plane for hours at a time).

Which brings up a good point about fuel economy. It depends. ;^) My hull is very economical on plane, but with the deep vee the engines have to work harder to push it through the water off plane. Of course, the deep vee gives me a more stable ride in rough seas. Trolling is more a function of the efficiency of the engines. My old 2 strokes would get maybe .9 nmpg at troll, the new ones will easily do 1.6 mpg.

So if you absolutely want the best economy in a twin engine boat, outboards will beat inboards (less weight per length typically), cats will beat mono's (but don't expect much comfort while drifting), diesels will beat gas, displacement hulls will beat planing (but move much slower).

I personally don't like i/o's. they will cost a lot more than either inboards or outboards over time (think of what one broken part can do when it falls into the shaft on an outdrive), and can sink you quickly if you cut the water seals or lose an exhaust line.

Choose one from column a, one from .......

I am fishing for Blue Marlin off of the Texas coast. The 100 fathom curve is 70 nm out but there are the deepwater floating rigs out to 120 nm offshore. We typically overnight to get the most bang for a full load of fuel. We just sleep on the deck and really enjoy ourselves. Everyone says were crazy, but I think they are crazy for not going.

capthiball - 4/19/2006 12:41 AM

I am fishing for Blue Marlin off of the Texas coast. The 100 fathom curve is 70 nm out but there are the deepwater floating rigs out to 120 nm offshore. We typically overnight to get the most bang for a full load of fuel. We just sleep on the deck and really enjoy ourselves. Everyone says were crazy, but I think they are crazy for not going.

What kind of boat do you have? Arlon

I had a 31' Contender but lost it to hurricane Katrina and have since purchased a 28' Bluewater.

capthiball

do you tie off to something, or drift all night? Just wondering. We overnight a lot out of venice, but generally we stay up most of the night and then run in to a fixed platform w/ a mooring bouy.

My fishing buddy took his 25 Aquasport 250 WA with Johnson (Suzuki) 140 4s and I took my 89 Grady White 25 Sailfish WA with 97 Yamaha 200s out to the Middle grounds a couple of weeks ago. We went 210 miles with no trolling. He burned 90 gallons, I burned 160 gallons. 2.3 mpg is pretty darn good for a boat with 300+ miles range.

And, if his was a cc, it would have gotten even better mileage, but I think you want a walkaround if you are gonna be on the water for that long...

We tie off to the standby bouys or drift with a sea anchor. We will leave on Friday afternoon and come back on Sunday afternoon. I used to burn about 250 gallons on a two day trip to the rigs 100mn out. We troll all day for Blue Marlin and only run on plane when heading out or coming in. The boat was a 31 Contender with f 225's and 300 gallon fuel. The Bluewater I now have holds 337 gallons and is powered by 250 Zukes.

We build a 35 with a D-6 Volvo diesel. She burns 6.8 at 27. And we can put up to 250 gls in her.

thomas70 - 4/20/2006 9:54 PM

We build a 35 with a D-6 Volvo diesel. She burns 6.8 at 27. And we can put up to 250 gls in her.

more details!

capthiball - 4/19/2006 11:35 PM

We tie off to the standby bouys or drift with a sea anchor. We will leave on Friday afternoon and come back on Sunday afternoon. I used to burn about 250 gallons on a two day trip to the rigs 100mn out. We troll all day for Blue Marlin and only run on plane when heading out or coming in. The boat was a 31 Contender with f 225's and 300 gallon fuel. The Bluewater I now have holds 337 gallons and is powered by 250 Zukes.

It sure is tough to have your cake and eat it too. For me to run 250 miles (100 out , 50 running around and 100 ****** would probably burn between 35-40 gallons or half a tank. The fuel consumption is excellent but that's at a cruising speed of 25-28mph... It's just going to take me a LONG TIME to get out there! You have to wonder what's your time worth. I haven't had the guts to try an overnighter out there yet. AND I don't have twins. I would love to see them put a pair of these little diesels in the 28 or 32ft panga.com boat. But it would be an expensive experiment. Twins for me is just going to have to mean a primary and a kicker..

Roughly how far does a boat drift when you spend the night on the drift sock? I know there are a lot of variables.. Arlon

How long would it take to get back in 100 miles on a kicker ?

More important, where are you going to carry the gas to run the kicker to get you in from 100nm in a boat with a diesel engine??

Not sure if this has been mentioned (I didn't read all four pages) but the Albemarle 28 Express with twin Yanmar 240hp Diesels will cruise at 27/28 knots at better than 2 mpg with a range of 500 miles. Few can match those numbers and she's an awesome ride as well.

lpk4444 - 4/20/2006 2:22 PM
How long would it take to get back in 100 miles on a kicker ?


More important, where are you going to carry the gas to run the kicker to get you in from 100nm in a boat with a diesel engine??

It would take all weekend to troll back in at 6mph..
I have plenty of room for a 6gal tank or two on the swim platform. Past that, I'm in trouble. All I would try to do is get back to tow boat range. If it cost me for a tow, so be it.

I believe twin 90's would be the far better choice if I where planning to run that far on a regular basis though. Heck, I may never run that for. So far all of my fishing has been within 50 miles.

I may be much more inclined to run that far along the coast rather than straight offshore. The diesel would be perfect for that kind of thing. Also by this summer I believe there is going to be a small diesel panga "fleet" in the area and we have already talked about a 3-4 boat floatilla running to the flowergardens and such. I would feel a lot better doing it with a few other boats with the same performance characteristics.

To answer the original question of the poster I still think it would be hard to beat one of these boats with a pair of 90's or 115's for an economical offshore capable twin engine powered boat..

trophyfish58 - 4/20/2006 10:57 AM

thomas70 - 4/20/2006 9:54 PM

We build a 35 with a D-6 Volvo diesel. She burns 6.8 at 27. And we can put up to 250 gls in her.

more details!

Anderson yachts out of Maryland:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&checked_boats=1333441&slim=broker&&hosturl=anderson&&ywo=anderson&

time to revive this thread

what happened to the Bluewater?

My old '03 Donzi 28zf with a pair of 225 Opti's saw roughly 2 - 2.2 mpg cruising at 38-40mph. 47 - 48mph, it would drop to around 1.7 - 1.8mpg. Very comfortable boat, and can be found with a cabin in the front. I just picked up a 99 model 30zf with a pair of new opti's and a cabin.. The previous owner claimed around 2mpg at 45mph cruise. I'll verify that this weekend, hopefully.. :)

The 31 Contender with f250's will get a little better economey than the f225's in my experience with both boats. I would guess a Yellowfin of similar size will do better yet but will up your cost as well.

I am Betting My ranch on the TRUE WORLD 28' walk around with a single 315 Yanmar & duoprop

Try It You May ask your self if twins are really necessary

I believe they also have a30' w/ twins

C-Dory Tomcat 25 http://www.c-dory.com/boats/tomcat_255/description.html

Some real optimists on outboard fuel consumption, even with the best of 4 strokes....(or Etec types). Personally I think that the cats have the advantage in seaworthyness, ride, range and comfort. Of course any small boat at 100 miles at sea can be uncomfortable if the seas start to come up.

not to be a smart alec but-
The most economical is someone elses-
Your dad's
Your Grandfather's
Your step dad's
Your father in law's
Some guys are lucky-their girlfriend's-
**Not your wife's **-dummy

Economical?
Define Economical-
I think for most of us our "Time" is limited-
Getting out and back fast is important
Your definition of fast may vary.....

Outboards I would want the safety of twins, but remember what do most commercial boats have? Single Diesle power and they run all the way to the edge to pull pots and such. So in my opinion a Downeaster hull with a well maintained single diesle is a viable option.

I still have the Bluewater. Very similar numbers and performance to 31' Contender but with a little more range and a better layout for Marlin fishing.

How is the Bluewater a better setup for marlin? Looks just like the contender to me. Curious. We do 90 mile trips to the floaters in my boat. Speed is quite important to us, so all these single diesels suggestions would not necessarily fit the bill for what we do. Can't spend the whole weekend riding when it's supposed to be a fishing trip.

I think you've got a pretty darn good boat for what you're doing. The 31 Contender should have also worked pretty good. IMO, the Contender 33T fits this type of fishing great. Would love to have a 33T with a pair of V350's on it w/ 400 gal fuel. Hopefully by the time I get around to up-sizing, the 400 HP Verados will be out. Looking at speeds and mpg numbers current 33T owners are reporting with twin F250's on this boat, I think twin 350-400's on a 33T would be an awesome combo. You could probably cruise in the low 40 mph range and still get 1.5 mpg or so. With 400 gal, that's a 600 mile range. Just a guess.

That 33 Freeman looks pretty good

Depends on what you want to do, but an older neighbor has a restored old (late 70's) 23' Mako CC with a single 200 hp diesel inboard, that he regularly shark fishes with - I am told he gets over 4 nmpg at 21 kts cruise, with an 80 gallon tank, that will easily take you to the canyons and back - not saying I'd do it, but on a nice day? Since the engine is in the middle of the hull, working on it, even hot should not be an issue (changing impellers or hoses), so, having run single ib's most of my life, it would not bother me to be offshore with only 1 engine.

I had a single diesel boat, but just becuase the commercial guys with single diesels go to the edge, that doesn't mean it is a good idea for me. Those guys carry a large inventory of spare parts, tools and better mechanical knowledge and skill then most shore bound mechanics. i do not have those resources so twins is better for me, and most average people.

My YF 36 with twin Suzuki 300s gets a legitimate 1.5 NMPG at 30+ knots. It is a bit thirsty (compared to a single diesel) on the troll burning 3-4 GPH at canyon troll speed.

I looked at the numbers for a Judge 34 Express which gets 1.9 NMPG at 25 knots and 1.4NMPG at 30 knots (twin Cummins B-series). This is a very economical boat both purchase price and fuel and would make a good overnighter for small crews.

single 150 diesel 25' rosborough downeast hull 18knot 3-4Gph

do you guys know how long it takes to do a 250 mile round trip at 18 knts? 12 hrs of run time for 250 statute miles at 18 knots. It may be economical, but is it realistic or even practical? Between weather windows and time off, it wouldn't be for me!!!! I believe the op said 120 nm one way which would be 276 st. miles round trip and almost 14 hrs of riding at 18 knots!! On the other hand 276 miles in a boat doing 40 mph is 6.9 hrs.

Back-in-Black,

I know your issue all too well which is why I am fishing a Yellowfin now......

iguana,

You have some time on that twin 36 now. Are you happy with the way it runs ? I bet you are they run great with twins. 1.5 mpg is what I was getting offshore at 40-45 mph cruise but I would keep the weight out of the bow so that helped.

We hope to have the first few hulls coming off the line in early 2009. The patented catamaran design is by Morrelli & Melvin - http://www.morrellimelvin.com

The design should power at 20 kts cruise (if sailing is not the preferred mode at the time), and sail comparable to a 40' cruising catamaran. Fuel econemy using "blended propulsion" should set a new global standard.

39' 11" loa, 18' 6" beam.

The aft cockpit is finished out in a classic sportfish layout, but as a cat the working deck is higher than most will be accustomed to. All the running rigging for sailing is kept well clear of the working decks.

Say hello to "k4" - the fuel efficient future of 100 mn out fishing

Capthiball

If you want a real offshore machine, go check out our website. www.freemanboatworks.com

We have all but replaced a fleet of cats in Venice, La. If you are nearby, you can go checkout one of our boats at Cypress Cove Marina. Capt Mike is averaging 1.4mpg key on to key off at a 38mph cruise with 7 men 300lbs of ice and trolling 7knots for 6 hours. He is blowing the doors off of all the Contender types with fuel burn and speed. The ride is nothing short of phenominal. He has never burnt more than 130 gallons running 170 miles round and trolling for 6 hours.

He had a crew from Sarasota the other day that were "Contender" guys. They were so blinded by brand loyalty, that the guy actually said the Louisiana waves were softer than Sarasota waves!!! Mike was like, " maybe its the boat"!!!

The Bluewater doesnt compare.

Spectre boats makes a 37 ft. center console with twin yanmars. It cruises at 45 mph while buring 15 gallons an hour. That is 3 miles per gallon on a 37 ft boat at 45 mph. That has to be by far the most economical boat out there. There are two for sale now for around $200,000. check www.boats.com

k4

Hulls to be coming off the line in early 2009 - a new global standard in range and fuel efficency

20 kts cruise under power - twin yanmar 220's - incredible fuel fuel efficiency using "blended propulsion"

http://www.ctfisherman.com/ubbthreads/attachments/swwind-13356-Portbow3-4view_logocompressed.jpg

http://www.ctfisherman.com/ubbthreads/attachments/swwind-13363-Cockpitfishboxes-open_logocompressed.jpg

Topshelf, that is truly interesting. I checked out boats.com and did a search for "spectre" and all I got was a bunch of "wave boats". My definition of "wave boat". Any boat that serves no other purpose than to create "waves" as you ride by and "wave" your hand. Perhaps you can supply a link?

http://www.spectresportfish.com/

http://www.spectresportfish.com/images/ad_01.gif

thank you

capthiball - 1/23/2006 11:47 AM

I don"t want to be 100 miles offshore with single power and I don't mine camping out in a center console. I previously had a 31' foot Contender with twin F-225 Yammies and would burn about 240 gallons (fuel Capacity 300) for a two day trip 100 nm offshore (18 hour trolling) for Blue Marlin. I lost my boat to hurricane Katrina and am looking for a new (used ) boat for this purpose.

My 2006 38TE Fountain with triple Verado 275's is for sale. Average 1.4mpg 425 gallon tanks total and it will plane and run on 2 engines.
Mike [email protected]

B-n-B The Bluewater has more room in the rear of the boat with the console further forward than the 31' Contender which helps for trolling 3-4 rods in the cockpit. We fight the Blue Marlin off of the bow and have pop -up cleats to eliminate snagging potential. I hold 337 gallons in the BW and the twin 250 Zukes give me 2 full days and nights at 100nm offshore - usually burn 240 to 260 gallons of fuel for the trip. The 28 BW and 31 Contender are very similar in handling and fishing.

Check out Panga Marine's new Tournament 261, she's 27'-11", 8' beam and with twin 150's should do about 3.9 MPG at 31.6 MPH with a 700 mile range.

Decided to resurrect this thread , since initiated, fuel has almost doubled !

wow the 1st OP thread was dated 1/22/2006 and the poster was worried about IRAN.

Onewolf - 3/20/2008 6:10 AM

http://www.spectresportfish.com/

http://www.spectresportfish.com/images/ad_01.gif

Wierd looking CC w/o the triple outboard hanging in the back.

However 3.79MPG @ 40mph is tough to beat!! :thumbsup:

New Yankee Marine - 3/19/2008 10:08 PM



k4

Hulls to be coming off the line in early 2009 - a new global standard in range and fuel efficency

20 kts cruise under power - twin yanmar 220's - incredible fuel fuel efficiency using "blended propulsion"

http://www.ctfisherman.com/ubbthreads/attachments/swwind-13356-Portbow3-4view_logocompressed.jpg

http://www.ctfisherman.com/ubbthreads/attachments/swwind-13363-Cockpitfishboxes-open_logocompressed.jpg

That is an interesting design. Any specs on this like draft, beam, length, and of course, price?

This 28ft twin Yanmar diesel Pursuit is one of the most efficient rigs available. It easily provides the range, dependability and cabin accomodations for trips to the canyons. If interested, I have it for sale in the classified section. Here's the link

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=190288&start=1

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/data/500/Pursuit2800_Port.JPG

What about a Scout 280 Vintage with a single 300 HP Cummins Mercruiser diesel? 3.89 MPG at 29.8 MPH. Read the performance report on their website....

http://www.scoutboats.com/models/280vintage.html

Hydro - 5/10/2008 6:12 AM

That is an interesting design. Any specs on this like draft, beam, length, and of course, price?



At the moment 41', but there is some potential for final adjustments +/- 6". Beam is 18' 6" Draft 3.3.

We should know the price inside 90 days - we are finalzing the bill of materials and tooling lists right now.
My guess is between $400k - $500k fully rigged

Tracking this thread . . . . . some of these canyon sprinters will get you back and forth fast and be fuel efficient but the title of the tread is 100 NM ! !

If you going that far - why not stay awhile. K4 has 2 queen beds. Full galley, hot shower, interior helm station. She will meet ISO stability standard 12215 for cat A "Ocean" use.

New Yankee Marine - 5/11/2008 9:56 PM

Hydro - 5/10/2008 6:12 AM

That is an interesting design. Any specs on this like draft, beam, length, and of course, price?



At the moment 41', but there is some potential for final adjustments +/- 6". Beam is 18' 6" Draft 3.3.

We should know the price inside 90 days - we are finalzing the bill of materials and tooling lists right now.
My guess is between $400k - $500k fully rigged

Tracking this thread . . . . . some of these canyon sprinters will get you back and forth fast and be fuel efficient but the title of the tread is 100 NM ! !

If you going that far - why not stay awhile. K4 has 2 queen beds. Full galley, hot shower, interior helm station. She will meet ISO stability standard 12215 for cat A "Ocean" use.

A crow's nest would be nice.

New Yankee Marine - 5/11/2008 9:56 PM

Hydro - 5/10/2008 6:12 AM

That is an interesting design. Any specs on this like draft, beam, length, and of course, price?



At the moment 41', but there is some potential for final adjustments +/- 6". Beam is 18' 6" Draft 3.3.

We should know the price inside 90 days - we are finalzing the bill of materials and tooling lists right now.
My guess is between $400k - $500k fully rigged

Tracking this thread . . . . . some of these canyon sprinters will get you back and forth fast and be fuel efficient but the title of the tread is 100 NM ! !

If you going that far - why not stay awhile. K4 has 2 queen beds. Full galley, hot shower, interior helm station. She will meet ISO stability standard 12215 for cat A "Ocean" use.

I would be very interested to see some running shots of the boat. I would imagine that you will have a very niche market, as most of us have very little sailing experience, and have enough to do rigging for fishing, let alone rigging for the breeze.

Ryan

Hydro - 5/12/2008 4:11 AM
A crow's nest would be nice.


Thank God - I am not the only one. My original drawings had a crow's nest and I will make sure we figure out a good design.

Would you go minimal with cordless auto helm or a tiny instalation with controls and a instrument repeater ?

PtJudeRI - 5/12/2008 5:00 AM

I would be very interested to see some running shots of the boat. I would imagine that you will have a very niche market, as most of us have very little sailing experience, and have enough to do rigging for fishing, let alone rigging for the breeze.

Ryan

Ryan - we are in pre-construction engineering. No running shots until about this time next year. We have worked very hard to keep the running rigging for sailing, well clear of the working decks for fishing.

I am a sailor and fisherman since childhood. In 2004 & 2005 I was a regular at the edge with my twin engine sport fish (1975 Chris Craft TSF) . Even than when fuel was $2.00/gallon it seemed such a waste to burn all that fuel when the breeze was great. Wind energy is free and it works !

But when the wind is not blowing this will cruise at 20 kts.

New Yankee Marine - 5/12/2008 8:20 PM PtJudeRI - 5/12/2008 5:00 AM I would be very interested to see some running shots of the boat. I would imagine that you will have a very niche market, as most of us have very little sailing experience, and have enough to do rigging for fishing, let alone rigging for the breeze. Ryan Ryan - we are in pre-construction engineering. No running shots until about this time next year. We have worked very hard to keep the running rigging for sailing, well clear of the working decks for fishing. I am a sailor and fisherman since childhood. In 2004 & 2005 I was a regular at the edge with my twin engine sport fish (1975 Chris Craft TSF) . Even than when fuel was $2.00/gallon it seemed such a waste to burn all that fuel when the breeze was great. Wind energy is free and it works ! But when the wind is not blowing this will cruise at 20 kts.

New Yankee, There was a thread a few months ago on a similar topic and my description of the perfect offshore fishing machine matched your rig to a T, completew/ crows nest. ../images/emoticons/thumbsup.gifGood Luck in your endeavors, are you selling stock yet? ../images/emoticons/wink.gif

For the non-sailors in the crowd, a good furling setupon the main and jib would take most of the work out of the rig(electric winches?). Trolling under sail = "stealth trolling". I've spent many an hour trolling solo w/ very dramatic results(fresh water lake though)