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BassAssasin
10-09-2005, 08:20 PM
I heard aquasport was being discontinued. Does anyone know the facts?


scott-hydra24
10-09-2005, 10:10 PM
This was announced quite a bit ago officially by the parent company. What has never been answered is whether all the existing boats will have any warranty service or not.

Glen E
10-09-2005, 10:12 PM
yes all existing warr can be done by any wellcraft... and I think.... any genmar dealer...


Tedj101
10-10-2005, 04:27 AM
scott-hydra24 - 10/10/2005 3:10 AM

This was announced quite a bit ago officially by the parent company. What has never been answered is whether all the existing boats will have any warranty service or not.

They can't walk away from the warranty. It is a legal obligation (although contingent in nature). The only way they can limit it is to file for bankruptcy protection, but then all the assets of the company are marshalled and all the owners have unliquidated claims agains the estate. A portion of the remaining assets will be allocated to warranty claims and held in reserve until the claims ripen.

Just a thought or two...

TED

kmac
10-10-2005, 11:48 AM
from what I understand they are going to retool and come back out. Their boat designs haven't been updated in a while. Also their lines were similar to wellcraft so mabey thier relauch will be in a differnt direction.

radioshop
10-10-2005, 07:33 PM
As an Aquasport fan, I think Genmar did the best thing it could do. Hopefully they'll give up on the brand and someone will buy who will do something good with it again. To see the quality of the Hialeah plant boats versus the Sarasota (?) ones, it's a shame to see what the bean counters did to Coburn and, Sargent's quality and, innovation. Aquasport lost it's way. Here's hoping they find it again. It's a testament to the design and, construction to see boats almost 40 years old still out there earning their stripes (and stripers) on the weekends.

intreppy345
10-10-2005, 11:05 PM
i don't understand...is Aquasport technically going out of business or is Genmar just not going to make it any more?? Are we looking at perhpas another "Bombardier buys out defunct OMC" situation here with a potential Aquasport buyer??

Cap'n Crunch
10-11-2005, 06:24 AM
I would love to see the brand return to its roots, small 17-25' center consoles. I think the market is ready for no-nonsense boats that are utilitarian, solidly built and fuel efficient with a fishing focus. If you think about it, these are the boats that got us hooked. The industry's focus on bigger and bigger boats with more and more amenities, may result in more profit per unit, but it does nothing to attract the entry level buyer to a practical hull that will keep them in boating instead of driving them out in frustration.

Michael

Glen E
10-11-2005, 06:32 AM
I thnk crunch is right - obviously genmar is trying to figure out where it fits in their model line as all of their CC fish brands are moving up the scale - Seaswirl is now mid tier, Wellcraft a bit higher and Hydra at the top of their chain. The only place Aqua could fit unless they want to stick it on top of hydra (which I don't think customers would follow - look at the VW 70K Phaeton) is to go the SeaPro route - a good value line. It will be interesting to see what they do with it.

Mc Key
09-14-2008, 02:32 PM
are older aquasport osprey boats respected? wood? built strong? good project boat? any reservations of buying an older one from the mid 80's?

thomas70
09-14-2008, 04:51 PM
I buy several older Aquasports a year and rebuild them. They have a big following, and people love thier simple design.

seabob4
09-14-2008, 05:19 PM
Hello all,
I built Aquasport 225 and 245/250 Ospreys from '94 to '00. Excellent boats, no wood. I was sad to see Genmar discontinue. Why? I have no clue. But should those of you out there own an Osprey or an Explorer, and have any questions, drop me a line.

seabob4
09-14-2008, 05:22 PM
Glen E,
Nice to see your boat! What year 32? Wired the helms on 29/32/35 Scarab Sports in 99/00.

bt4264
09-17-2008, 01:06 PM
seabob,
I just picked up an '02 Osprey 190 in the spring that was flooded in Hurricane Katrina. Put a new (to me) motor on her after I cleaned her all up. Had to replace much of the wiring/terminals/switches/breakers, but she is like new now.
This was a major upgrade from my old 18' Alum CC Starcraft, and it was a joy to get into every nook and cranny of her cleaning and fixing things. Learned alot. Now she just goes and goes like the bunny.
Any particulars I need to look out for????

talquin
09-17-2008, 02:49 PM
I loved those Ospreys and smaller Explorers!!! Great boats. They have certainly held their value well.
Sure hope they can make a comeback.
Go GeorgiaBullDawgs

seabob4
09-17-2008, 05:12 PM
bt4264,
What you have is the Osprey 190/190 CCF, identical models of Aquasport and Wellcraft lines. I left in '00, but the most significant thing was the fact that in the early boats, we had to cut out part of the aft transom wall and put in an insert so the motor could tilt all the way up. Guess someone didn't think about that. The good thing about the Aquasport is that it is all composite, no wood. Wellcraft was still using wood in the stringers and subfloors at my time there.

If I remember correctly, the console is open underneath while laying on your back in front of the leaning post or ped seats. Pretty easy to wire. I will give you a piece of advice, though. Keep her for a few years, and at the same time, keep an eye out for the same vintage 200 Osprey. More room, and better accessability. A traditional Aquasport Hullform, and will take a 200 with no problem. Another awesome Wellcraft/Genmar/Aquasport model is the Wellcraft 20 Fish, derived from the V-20.

Have fun with it. Catch some fish! If you've replaced your main accessory harness and engine harness, your pretty much good to go. Don't worry about the transom. 2-part "Pour Foam". Strong as concrete!

blacktooth
09-17-2008, 09:06 PM
BassAssasin - 10/10/2005 11:20 AM

I heard aquasport was being discontinued. Does anyone know the facts?

That was over three years ago,where have you been?

Tiffany Anne
09-18-2008, 02:25 AM
Yeah, I think the last boats they made were in 05 or 06.

bt4264
09-18-2008, 04:50 AM
blacktooth, his original post was 3 years ago :)

seabob, you are correct on the open console. I spent ALOT of time in that exact position you describe. But it worked out great. My boat has a swim deck/splashwell, so it has no problem tilting up. Also you can't get to the motor while you are in the boat unless you "climb over the back wall". Makes me feel better with kids onboard.
I have really been impressed with this boat and have kept my eye out for other models but haven't ran into one yet. MOF, I have only seen one other Aquasport where we go and it is a much older one.
Thanks for the info.

squiddley
09-18-2008, 06:33 AM
How are the newer Genmar AS's? Was interested in a late model 235 Osprey CC. Had read (probably here) that the 235 hull design was an AS original and not a Wellcraft or HS knockoff. But, with a 19* deadrise it could be a rough rider.

tarpon666
09-18-2008, 06:44 AM
Genmar stopped making Aquasport 4 years ago. Not a BK, just a brand shut down.

gator1
09-18-2008, 08:05 AM
The shutdown of Aquasport was largely a cost cutting move by Genmar (aka Irwin Jacobs). The brand had been losing money for a few years and was badly in need of a retooling of their line, as most of the desins are considered outdated by today's standards. Genmar pulled the line and announced they were examining the possibility of a total retooling and relaunch. With Genmar consolodating its operations in Minnesota, I would not expect to see a relaunch. as it was sold as a slatwater/offshore line, he would be competing with himself with both Wellcraft and Hydra-Sport. Not likely to happen IMO.

seabob4
09-19-2008, 10:54 AM
Squiddley,
The 235 is really a 225 with a decal change. It's amazing what builders will do with graphics. Excellent boat though, I probably built 300-400 of them, along with the 245/250 Ospreys. I would not hesitate to buy one. No major weaknesses. Preferable power? Twin Merc 150 EFIs or OMC Ocean Pro/Ocean Runners. Yes, this was an AS only design. The 190 Osprey, 160 Osprey, 210 Explorer, and 180 DC shared hulls and decks with Wellcraft. Plant 6, Old 301 and Whitfield Ave., Sarasota. Built a proverbial S***load of them!

Any owners who have any questions or need some advice, feel free to drop me a line. Explorers also, built my share of them. Was head electrician from '97 to '00. Also hung and rigged the motors.

jdupree
09-19-2008, 12:25 PM
Mc Key - 9/14/2008 2:32 PM

are older aquasport osprey boats respected? wood? built strong? good project boat? any reservations of buying an older one from the mid 80's?

Not quite sure about the Genmar Aquasports, but the pre-genmar Aquasport's were built very well and solid. They were also on of the first boat manufacturers to mass produce the center console.

I have a 1981 200 CCP. The CCP's were built like tanks. Deep V with high freeboards. I would put my CCP up against any new boat in the same size category. Don't be afraid to buy and older one as long as it checks out.

erie skipper
09-19-2008, 12:29 PM
The last Aquasports made were half Wellcraft clones and half old Aquasport designs. All were made in Sarasota by WEllcraft. And that factory is closed and all ops moved to Glastron-Larson or Four Winns in some cases.

GP-TJ
09-19-2008, 04:23 PM
My boat is a Wellcraft 200 Fisherman. It is a 2004 and as far as I can tell is the exact same as an Osprey 201. I have not been on one but have viewed them online and look to be exact except for the decals. This same hull was used for the Osprey 201, the Osprey 205 Bay, Later Osprey 210's, Wellcraft 200, 200lt, 202, 212. It looks like they put slightly different liners and consoles on each to make them different over the past 6 or 7 years. I think the 201 was the first boat to use the hull and it came out in 2003, I think. It replaced the Osprey 200 which looked like an old AS design.

Anybody know any more about these hulls?

GP

seabob4
09-19-2008, 04:47 PM
Aquasports, from when I started at Wellcraft ('94), until their demise, were built on the same production lines as Wellcrafts. Harnesses, hardware, T-Tops, etc., all the same. Remember this one? Built all 24 of them.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_50142_lead.jpg

She was fun. A bitch to rig, tons of storage, liquid tie-bar. damn near kiss 50 MPH with 115s, close to 60 with 150 Fichts.

Any questions, drop me a line. Any Wellcraft owners out there, feel free.

seabob4
09-19-2008, 04:49 PM
Alright you guys, I'm used to posting links using UBB code, .... How do you link on THT?

Cuzmondo
09-19-2008, 06:13 PM
gator1 - 9/18/2008 8:05 AM

The shutdown of Aquasport was largely a cost cutting move by Genmar (aka Irwin Jacobs). The brand had been losing money for a few years and was badly in need of a retooling of their line, as most of the desins are considered outdated by today's standards. Genmar pulled the line and announced they were examining the possibility of a total retooling and relaunch. With Genmar consolodating its operations in Minnesota, I would not expect to see a relaunch. as it was sold as a slatwater/offshore line, he would be competing with himself with both Wellcraft and Hydra-Sport. Not likely to happen IMO.

And Seaswirl among others.

Shore-Power
09-19-2008, 11:54 PM
SeaBob4: How did that Aquasport Cat ride? Never saw one?? Interesting...

squiddley
09-20-2008, 07:18 AM
Seabob,

Thanks for the "insider" view. I appears that the 225/235 Aquasport was one of Genmar's top hulls at the time.

seabob4
09-20-2008, 10:49 AM
Squiddley,
Yes, that hull was one of the best. As was the 245/250. Same hulls were used on the Explorers. In fact, I passed one this morning on the way back from a side job, Tournament Master package in Forest Green with a fold down upper station. Boat was in excellent shape.

Shorepower, that was the 23 Tournament Cat, and she rode beautifully. Typical power was twin 150s. Excellent boat, just way too overpriced. Back in 98-99, they wanted $60K for it with no trailer. She had a little sister, the 16 Tournament Cat. See if I can find a picture of her.

seabob4
09-20-2008, 11:00 AM
Here's the 23 Cat's little sis:

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/seabob/?action=view&current=3514.jpg

ioneyes
09-20-2008, 05:50 PM
seabob...I own 2003 215 EXPLORER with a 175 Johnson 2 stroke. My question is; would you advise smart tabs? I can't seem to run this boat at 3000 rpm. If I do the bow lifts way up. A decent cruise is 3800-4200 rpm @ 22-25knots. Soon as I slow down it rises way up. I can't seem to run this boat between 2200-3000 rpm. It tops out around 5000 @ about 30knots. Do you think it is underpowered? Besides that, it loves to fish...

Thx...ion

seabob4
09-20-2008, 05:58 PM
ion,
Yes, Smarttabs would be an excellent addition, especially out of the hole. But your top speed is a prop issue. Your 175 should be turning around 5600 at WOT, and you should see low 40s (42-44 MPH). I'd go with a smaller diameter, greater pitch prop. The 215 Exploder (as we used to call them), is a great, simple boat. Good cockpit room, decent cabin space for the kids, throw a porta-potti down there if you don't already have one.

But, seriously, work with a dealer to get propped right. A Wellcraft dealer would be the one to work with. If they have some loaner props, they'll let you do some testing. You'll be surprised at the results.

amr72
09-21-2008, 06:45 AM
ioneyes I had the same boat for 5 seasons. I had a 200 hpdi and felt that was the right power. I did have to get a lower pitch prop though (I went from a 19" pitch to a 17" and the results were fantastic). I loved the boat though and if I wasn't bit by this damn offshore bug I never would have bought a bigger boat. The Aquasport was built well, rode well, economical to run, and not too difficult to tow. It just wasn't big enough to head 50 plus offshore on a regular basis. Good luck.

Surferx14_2
09-21-2008, 09:40 AM
does any one know where I can get some new decals for my 205 osprey? Its a fantastic boat and I love it. Gets up and goes with a 175 Johnson 2 stroke.. just takes alot of gas which didnt matter back then..

seabob4
09-21-2008, 09:59 AM
Try Wellcraft's Customer service. That's where we built all the Aquasports, including your 205.

http://www.wellcraft.com/index.cfm?#/6/ ({param})

I finally figured it out!

ioneyes
09-21-2008, 01:36 PM
Thx for the feedback guys. I plan on intstalling smart tabs this offseason and I'll look into the 17" prop.

ion :)

seabob4
09-21-2008, 01:39 PM
Ion,
Can probably get you a set on the cheap. Are you looking at composite or SS for the planes?

ioneyes
09-21-2008, 02:51 PM
I had called Nauticus, Inc and spoke with the owner. He actually suggested the smaller set for my boat size (ST1290-60 versus the ST1290-80). He says he would send me the larger gas
actuators if this didnt work out. I was looking at the SS version. Any reason why to choose composite over the SS? The composites just look cheap to me. Would you suggest power trim tabs over the smart tabs? As far as what you can get...how cheap are we talking and would they still be covered by Nauticus, Inc if I had any problems? I'm very interested...

Thx again, ion

seabob4
09-21-2008, 03:17 PM
Ion,
We are seriously looking at Smarttabs for our lower priced boats. Nauticus recommended 60 lb. actuators versus 80 lb. actuators. That is a call I'm sure they are familiar with. I didn't see any pros over the composite tabs my hardware rep brought by last week. And they won't be prone to corrosion or electrolysis. Powered tabs? Preferable but a bit more pricey than Smarttabs. Check eBay right now. Seems a lot of sellers have excess Lencos on their hands.

ioneyes
09-21-2008, 04:20 PM
seabob...thx for the ebay info. I just picked up a pair for $155.00 with free shipping. Not too bad considering West Marine wanted $230.00 plus tax... Hopefully I'll have them installed by next weekend. Now I'm off to look for a 17"prop...

ion :)

seabob4
09-21-2008, 05:47 PM
ion,
Any install questions, drop me a line.

Bob

Surferx14_2
09-21-2008, 06:47 PM
DO those things really work well?

seabob4
09-21-2008, 07:03 PM
Yes, they do. Simple install. Minimum hull intrusion. Let me know.

vacottonking
09-25-2008, 12:37 PM
I have a 2002 Osprey 215 which is the same hull as the explorer. 200 hp Yamaha ox 66 with the 19M Prop. At WOT the boat will go 45 mph but will only turn 5000 rpms with only me in the boat and low fuel so I am looking for the 17" X 15 1/4" prop. What do you think about the permatrim for this set up instead of Tabs? I was seriously considering the Bennett tabs and would pay the money if I where convinced the performance would dramatically improve. This is the largest boat I have owned and is pretty impressive like it is.

ioneyes
09-25-2008, 01:31 PM
I just checked my prop...14 1/4 x 17". I'm going to install the smart tabs and I'll update in about a week.

seabob4
09-25-2008, 06:10 PM
Cottonking,
Have you verified with Genmar that the hull is the same as the explorer? It was the same as the Wellcraft 210 Coastal, but I think the DC had a different hull.

vacottonking
09-26-2008, 12:11 PM
I have not called Genmar - I only assumed it was the same hull based on a little bit of research but never verified it. They both have an 18 degree deadrise other similarities appeared to stack up and I never found anything else.

mainebaker
09-26-2008, 01:06 PM
smartabs- like em

seabob4
09-26-2008, 01:22 PM
VaCotton,
I can verify this Monday as our Marketing head was the VP of sales for Aquasport when I was there. I'll ask him about the 215 DC hull.

Now, we did our first test of Smarttabs Wed. morn. Popped an 18 up out of the hole and dropped the bow QUICK! Guys loved them, but saw no increase in Top end. We're going to try 40 lb. struts this coming week. Will keep all posted.



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