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thats cheap for that type of car, I seen mercedes oil changes at $140

Shit, come take my F250 diesel in for an oil change once. And on the next one, have them change the air and fuel filters.

Quit bitchin'.

Cadillac CTS is around a hundred.

Our Audi Q7, for regular maintenance costs about $400, oil change, and lube, basically

Shit, come take my F250 diesel in for an oil change once. And on the next one, have them change the air and fuel filters.

Quit bitchin'.

I change my F250 Diesel myself and it cost me about that much. LOL

It costs that for me to do it myself on my Sequoia. takes 7 quarts @ $40 for a 5 Qt bottle + a filter @ $15 + tax.

really makes me appreciate my small block chevy even more :)

5 quarts @ $6 = $30

1 filter = $12+/-

2 beers = $2

You can DIY and save half the cost. What's new about that concept?

My BMW only requires an oil change every 10k miles. My Tundra - 3k. So.... not that bad of a deal...

5 quarts @ $6 = $30

1 filter = $12+/-

2 beers = $2

You can DIY and save half the cost. What's new about that concept?


reset tool for oil light ...cheapest is $50

reset tool for oil light ...cheapest is $50

Bingo! Can't reset a BMW by pushing the accelerator to the floor 3 times like a GM.

Good grief! The dealership oil change for my Honda Accord is $35, including 5 quarts of factory oil, factory oil filter, underhood inspection and tire inspection. What else are BMW, Mercedes and Cadillac doing to justify $80-$140 for an oil change?

Just wait till ya need a tire or something else....:o

I have a BIL that loved his Beemer but couldn't get it out of the shop for less than $300 when anything needed repairs....

Here's a great place if you DIY and need parts in the future.....http://www.turnermotorsport.com/

My last oil change in the Mercedes was $95.00 at the dealership, for that I got a C250 loaner car for the day a wash and a vacuum and do not have to have an oil service for 12 months 13,000 miles....

The jeep reuires a 35.00 oil change every 3,000/ 3 months so every year I am spending $ 140.00 just to keep the maintenance on schedule....

You need to make friends with one of the service techs or the service manager.......my wifes is done after hours or on the weekends in their backyard for the price of a "normal" oil change.

reset tool for oil light ...cheapest is $50

Don't Advance and AutoZone still do that for free?? ;?

Good grief! The dealership oil change for my Honda Accord is $35, including 5 quarts of factory oil, factory oil filter, underhood inspection and tire inspection. What else are BMW, Mercedes and Cadillac doing to justify $80-$140 for an oil change?

My guess is marketing management as practiced by various car stores. Your Honda dealer wants your car into their shop regularly, because those oil changes both help pay their overhead, but also allow them to inspect the underside and note suspension, steering, brakes, tires, etc.

They also build customer loyalty from the sales side.

You buy a high dollar car, you pay high dollar maintenance. It goes with the territory. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Just wait till ya need a tire or something else....:o

I have a BIL that loved his Beemer but couldn't get it out of the shop for less than $300 when anything needed repairs....

Here's a great place if you DIY and need parts in the future.....http://www.turnermotorsport.com/

You got that right... my co workers rule of thumb for his beemer = 1k everytime it goes in - and it goes in often. His is 10 years old with 110k & he's been in twice a year for the past three years.

Now only one of his 4 windows works, he has to get in the car via the back door (reach over the seat and open the front door), his power seats are borked... he's looking at another 2k+ in repairs.

Your Honda dealer wants your car into their shop regularly...

Agreed- I can see that from the way the Accord is built. Oil filter and drain plug are placed where it is most difficult for the DIY to access- back side of the engine, near center. Toyota went to the cartridge (not spin-on) filters and also made them harder to find. It's obvious they want those cars coming back to the shop on a regular basis.

DIY oil change couldn't be simpler on my '97 Camry, clearly harder to do on the 2012. And- cartridge oil filter? Geez- when I sold my '55 car, I thought I had gotten rid of that nuisance for good. Dealer tells me "it's more environmentally responsible". Please...

You buy a high dollar car, you pay high dollar maintenance. It goes with the territory. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Yea I was thinking the same......I'll bet that BMW oil is real special stuff too! :rofl:

They are probably using a specific synthetic oil that sells for over $10 a quart. The oil changes on my VW Jetta TDI at the dealership run a little less than $80. It's just as expensive at any of the Jiffy-Lube or other oil and lube shops. The oil for my Jetta is only available at VW dealerships. I guess I could use any diesel synthetic and save a few bucks, but the oil change interval is 10K miles...most other auto makers advise a 3-5K interval. So, it works out to be a reasonable amount taking that into consideration.

My 12 Mustang GT with 8 quarts of Motorcraft 5w-20 synthetic blend and a Ford Racing preformance oil filter was $79.

You got that right... my co workers rule of thumb for his beemer = 1k everytime it goes in - and it goes in often. His is 10 years old with 110k & he's been in twice a year for the past three years.

Now only one of his 4 windows works, he has to get in the car via the back door (reach over the seat and open the front door), his power seats are borked... he's looking at another 2k+ in repairs.

Is it a convertible?

They are probably using a specific synthetic oil that sells for over $10 a quart. The oil changes on my VW Jetta TDI at the dealership run a little less than $80. It's just as expensive at any of the Jiffy-Lube or other oil and lube shops. The oil for my Jetta is only available at VW dealerships. I guess I could use any diesel synthetic and save a few bucks, but the oil change interval is 10K miles...most other auto makers advise a 3-5K interval. So, it works out to be a reasonable amount taking that into consideration.

Not sure what other auto makers you mean. GM, Honda, Toyota haven't recommended 3K oil changes in close to 20 years, more like 7500 miles.

Advance Auto Parts regularly does DIY synthetic oil sales - 5 quarts of oil plus a higher end filter = $30 or $35. This is the cheapest I ever remember synthetic oil, but they've been doing it for the last few years.

Having maintaned japanese, german, and american cars - I much prefer the cartridge filters. You can stand next to the car and replace it without getting a drop of oil on you. In fact, between my Dodge, Honda, and Mercedes, I'd say the Mercedes oil change is the least hassle.

I can't see any value in doing oil changes with a shorter interval than 5000 miles, and I suspect many drivers could go 10k without worrying about it. BTW my last honda pilot had an oil filter about the size of one of those little steel juice cans, and it held 4.5 qts of oil - for a 3.5 liter V6.

Don't Advance and AutoZone still do that for free?? ;?

Don't think you can do it with a scanner. BMW has historically required a proprietary reset tool.

5 quarts @ $6 = $30

1 filter = $12+/-

2 beers = $2

You can DIY and save half the cost. What's new about that concept?

This. And this same "concept" can be applied to most maintenance items on any car or truck...oh yes and your boat too. :thumbsup:

You guys in the high dollars cars aren't scared to get your hands dirty are you? ;?

My landcruiser is $90 synthetic every 10k miles. Seems like your price at BMW is reasonable.

Having maintaned japanese, german, and american cars - I much prefer the cartridge filters. You can stand next to the car and replace it without getting a drop of oil on you. In fact, between my Dodge, Honda, and Mercedes, I'd say the Mercedes oil change is the least hassle.

You are talking about this type of cartridge oil filter, right? If you can change that while standing next to your car without getting a drop of oil on your hands, then things have changed a lot since those filters were used on my 1955 car. :).

Checked my receipts $119 for a my 911 running Mobil 1.

$67 for the Land Rover - didn't say what oil.


Edit: Trying to figure out if the $119 was just for the oil itself.

Wife's V8 VW touarage is like $110 at Jiffy Lube - Mobile 1 like 7 Quarts.... We fell for the Benz A service and B service scam once.... that is like $400 for a glorified oil change. On wifes old Benz.

I just bought mobil one 0-40 100% synthetic for my Polaris ranger - for like $5@ qt. Then again it was at Walmart

When I am lazy in the winter I bring my basic chevy trucks to the local garage and they do it for $45 (synthetic blend). I would expect to pay maybe twice as much at the dealership for a hi-end luxury car.

BMW doesn't have a dipstick..you rely on the quantity of oil you put in it. Sure, they've gotta "oil level" readout, but they don't work worth a poot.

BMW doesn't have a dipstick....

They do.


Behind the steering wheel.




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Bingo! Can't reset a BMW by pushing the accelerator to the floor 3 times like a GM.

Please elaborate. Shop didn't reset my Suburban.

This. And this same "concept" can be applied to most maintenance items on any car or truck...oh yes and your boat too. :thumbsup:

You guys in the high dollars cars aren't scared to get your hands dirty are you? ;?

It is 125 degrees in my garage in summer then you have 7 quarts of used oil to dispose of... just a pain in the ass.. -- Boat I like working on Cars not so much

Please elaborate. Shop didn't reset my Suburban.

Its in your manual. Its beep your horn 3 times while hitting the brakes and the left blinker kind of deal. All cars are different, but there is some combo that will work.

Don't buy the damn car if you can't afford the oil change and premium gas! If that is synthetic oil, it is cheap.

They do.


Behind the steering wheel.




(boom!)

You mean.... dipshit! :grin: My X5 has one. Some do, some don't.

$80...I'm in...paid $110 at Jiffy lube, of coarse it came also with a $10 subway gift card that i used to buy the buffalo chicken sub with. They actually taste pretty good.

Use synthetic oil. Help stop the terrorists.

You mean.... dipshit! :grin: My X5 has one. Some do, some don't.

M3 - did.
Z8 - Never had the stones to work on that myself.

:)

Synthetic sure has come down in price!!!!!

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=0-40+synthetic++motor+oil&ic=16_0&Find=Find&search_constraint=0

:thumbsup:$80 is a steal.
7 qts (minimum) synthetic + a filter + labor

You got that right... my co workers rule of thumb for his beemer = 1k everytime it goes in - and it goes in often. His is 10 years old with 110k & he's been in twice a year for the past three years.

Now only one of his 4 windows works, he has to get in the car via the back door (reach over the seat and open the front door), his power seats are borked... he's looking at another 2k+ in repairs.

Must be a 3 Series, notorious for interior falling apart....

some of you guys need to work on your counsumerism.

I've got 40 quarts of oil, 20 synthetic and 20 regular, that I paid ~10 dollars for (tax).. 4 of the 5 qt containers came with filters too!

I pay $23 on my Toyota for a reg. only hage and lube and I'm over paying! If I an't change my own oil as an option to my mech. I won't buy the car.

Having recently looked into a Mustang GT I'll make sure what they charge to change out the oil on it now.

$23 for 5 liters and $7 for a filter = $30

Plus I get the guarantee of some min wage oil monkey not overtightening the drain plug and filter and spilling oil all over my engine block and then trying to wipe up the oil and knocking the plug wire off the spark plug resulting in another trip to a mechanic or stripping the threads of the bolts that hold on the splash guard under my engine.
Or them forgetting to put the parking break on my manual shift honda and the car rolling out into the parking lot and hitting the curb.

True stories...No thanks for an $80+ oil change. I can manage.

I go to a place called Express Oil Change and Service - great place, great people, great service.

If there is one near you, check them out.

I used to do all the maintenance on my BMW m3--I liked working on the car. With my new Nissan I get free oil changes for the life of my vehicle. I don't know what oil they use (i'll ask next time), but i've only been in once so far and they want me in every 3500 miles--I assume it's regular oil and not synthetic.

You buy a high dollar car, you pay high dollar maintenance. It goes with the territory. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

^This

First World Problems, also known as “White Whine,” are frustrations and complaints that are only experienced by privileged individuals in wealthy countries. It is typically used as a tongue-in-cheek comedic device to make light of trivial inconveniences.

:roll

^This

First World Problems, also known as “White Whine,” are frustrations and complaints that are only experienced by privileged individuals in wealthy countries. It is typically used as a tongue-in-cheek comedic device to make light of trivial inconveniences.

:roll

Or Larry David's career.

White People Problems... "My heated leather seats burned my balls"

Expansive open plan kitchens are too noisy when I'm trying to watch the 84" HD TV with the French Doors open to the pool area.

You are talking about this type of cartridge oil filter, right? If you can change that while standing next to your car without getting a drop of oil on your hands, then things have changed a lot since those filters were used on my 1955 car. :).

I wear gloves. :) But I can do it without getting a drop of oil on my driveway, my shirt, in my mouth, etc. (I can't say the same for filter changes lying underneath the car)

BTW, Dodge is offering 4 (non-synthetic) oil changes for $49.95 total, prepaid, good for 2 years. At that rate I am happy to take my truck back to the dealer for oil changes while it is under warranty. Out of warranty I don't necessarily trust them for it, but for the first 3 years that's hard to argue with.

I pay more than that just for the oil change supplies on my E46 M3. Everything costs a fortune on that car though.

I pay more than that just for the oil change supplies on my E46 M3. Everything costs a fortune on that car though.

Thinking of getting back into an M3.

I had a '96 E36. Loved that car.

You need to make friends with one of the service techs or the service manager.......my wifes is done after hours or on the weekends in their backyard for the price of a "normal" oil change.

You might want to hire a private investigator to snap some pictures. I would if my wife is gone after hours and weekends:grin:

79 bucks for an oil change on a BMW. Lets see That's cheap a new Honda CRV at 4.5 qts of 0w20 Full Synthetic oil and a filter can run that, IF THEY USE QUALITY OIL .

Shit, come take my F250 diesel in for an oil change once. And on the next one, have them change the air and fuel filters.

Quit bitchin'.

Come on now. Every time someone mentions a oil change and maintance on a diesel vs a gasser the diesel guys say it isn't much more. ;?;?;?

I just bought mobil one 0-40 100% synthetic for my Polaris ranger - for like $5@ qt. Then again it was at Walmart

When I am lazy in the winter I bring my basic chevy trucks to the local garage and they do it for $45 (synthetic blend). I would expect to pay maybe twice as much at the dealership for a hi-end luxury car.

Change it just before winter and you won't have to worry about it any time soon.
I don't drive the Tundra much anymore other then to tow the boat and maybe once a amonth for the heck of it. I use Mobile synthetic and it gets done once a year. Also on the Camary.I am retired now and don't put many miles on.

comparison

local ford dealer---

Tire Rotation and Oil Change $39.95
Sarasota Ford Service Department Coupon
Includes oil filter, multipoint inspection and up to 6 qts. of oil. synthic slightly higher. Most Cars and light duty trucks.

White People Problems... "My heated leather seats burned my balls"


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Talking about car maintenance, I`ve noticed in my area the typical car you see on a flatbed tow truck is a BMW, Benz, Jaquar, Land Rovers. I wonder why?

When those fall, they fall hard and you can't limp to a repair shop.

Talking about car maintenance, I`ve noticed in my area the typical car you see on a flatbed tow truck is a BMW, Benz, Jaquar, Land Rovers. I wonder why?

We have always had 1 German Car in our household...(2) VW (2) Audi, (1) Benz... when the warranty runs out my blood pressure goes up and the car gets sold soon after.....My wifes current VW has so many gadgets and options that it is just a rolling repair bill waiting to happen ... plus it takes $1500 tires and $750 brake pads ;?;? But she loves it

I had the oil changed yesterday (8/15/12) in my 2011 Chev Z71 Crew Cab. $65. Full synthetic oil...went about 9000 on the oil change. In my F250 Diesel with Filters, was about $200. For a higher end car (BMW) gotta pay to play.........

GM:

Key on, engine off...push accelerator to the floor 3 times..resets oil change monitor.

They need to pay for all of that free service they offer some how - income redistribution.:grin:

I'm doing the Inspection II service on my M3 and I about sh!t myself when I ordered the materials to do that, new rotors, and pads.

The car is absolutely amazing and I never get sick of driving it, so it's well worth the money for maintenance to me.

Still glad i have my small block chevy :) haha

Im glad im not a rich person or i would buy and expensive car that requires expensive service then id have to find somewhere to complain about it.

GM has recently gone to the cartridge filters on their smaller engines, in my wifes car, and it is right front and center. Makes for an easier oil change as well. They do require dexos certified oil now and am buying from Sams club which here is close to the same price as wally world. I think it was $30 for 6qts maybe. Filter was like 4 bucks.

I have an Audi TTRS that comes with Platinum Plus, covers everything for 10yrs or 100K
Maybe Beemer has the equivalent.

You need to make friends with one of the service techs or the service manager.......my wifes is done after hours or on the weekends in their backyard for the price of a "normal" oil change.

I hear ya! My wife makes friends with the mechanic, plumber, electrician, trash man you name it. They must get along good because it never cost us anything. Boy I love that woman!

Talking about car maintenance, I`ve noticed in my area the typical car you see on a flatbed tow truck is a BMW, Benz, Jaquar, Land Rovers. I wonder why?

Most of the cars you are seeing are probably AWD. I believe it is the preferred way to tow AWD cars because of the gears.

Talking about car maintenance, I`ve noticed in my area the typical car you see on a flatbed tow truck is a BMW, Benz, Jaquar, Land Rovers. I wonder why?

I have seen my share too, but if you keep up with the recommended services as suggested by the dealer (diy or stealership) you will rarely be stranded.

I have owned 4 different Mercedes (E Class) and 3 Different Bmw's(3,5&7) and 9 different Jeeps (CJ, Wrangler, Commanche, Grand Cherokee, Commander, Wrangler)...And all of of them went to 300K+ miles plus and only had maybe one towing incident per 100k Miles, dead batteries, flat tires, popped radiator from road debris...never had a trans or engine fail...and I drive them hard...

Keep up with maintenance (A&B Service, 25/50/75/100/etc... services) along with wearables and oil changes and you rarely have a breakdown, neglect it and it will fail....

I hear ya! My wife makes friends with the mechanic, plumber, electrician, trash man you name it. They must get along good because it never cost us anything. Boy I love that woman!

God I hope your kids look like you...does the dog bark when the UPS/Fed Ex Man comes around?


:jk:


My wife does the same thing....with the trades and being friendly that is....

Don't buy a Porsche 993.

Those things nearly hold more oil than gas!

Talking about car maintenance, I`ve noticed in my area the typical car you see on a flatbed tow truck is a BMW, Benz, Jaquar, Land Rovers. I wonder why?

They're going in for service. Send a rollback to pick up the car and redeliver it. Cheaper and easier than a loaner.

We have always had 1 German Car in our household...(2) VW (2) Audi, (1) Benz... when the warranty runs out my blood pressure goes up and the car gets sold soon after.....My wifes current VW has so many gadgets and options that it is just a rolling repair bill waiting to happen ... plus it takes $1500 tires and $750 brake pads ;?;? But she loves it

That's ridiculous - it cost me 40 bucks for brake pads for my lexus. and tires were done for 390 total... just don't hand it over to the stealership and you'll do way better than that.

GM:

Key on, engine off...push accelerator to the floor 3 times..resets oil change monitor.

Thanks, that took care of it.

They're going in for service. Send a rollback to pick up the car and redeliver it. Cheaper and easier than a loaner.

How much extra does that cost?

kind of late now, but a bmw is generally gonna be 8-9 quarts and synthetic, once per year. It's not that bad.

That's ridiculous - it cost me 40 bucks for brake pads for my lexus. and tires were done for 390 total... just don't hand it over to the stealership and you'll do way better than that.

Tires are 300+ a piece high performance - I don't go to dealership. A good buddy is a mechanic and I only pay for parts... The Dealer gets 1500 for breaks on Tourage

Thanks, that took care of it.

LOL! Simple, wasn't it?

BMW, takes a special reset tool.

$9.95 at the Honda dealer for oil change and filter on my wife's Civic two weeks ago. :thumbsup:

$9.95 at the Honda dealer for oil change and filter on my wife's Civic two weeks ago. :thumbsup:

Hell, they oughta do it for free..how else can they go "shopping" on your car, for stuff to "repair"?

BMWs do take a special synth oil. I work at a dodge dealer and a hemi or srt synthetic is $60 for 7 quarts of mobil 1. And with a BMW id be for damn sure I use the right oil, not buying a long block from the junkyard for $500 for one. Germans are very weird with engineering, I would never compare them to anything else when it comes to cost.

Beemers require full synthetic oil, and you won't get a full sythetic oil change at the Jiffy Lube for a whole lot less than that....

Beemers require full synthetic oil, and you won't get a full sythetic oil change at the Jiffy Lube for a whole lot less than that....

meh.

Lexus "requires a full synthetic oil" too.

My car has been running fine for 70,000 miles on REGULAR oil.

That is ALL bullshit. Sorry.

meh.

Lexus "requires a full synthetic oil" too.

My car has been running fine for 70,000 miles on REGULAR oil.

That is ALL bullshit. Sorry.

Update us when the odometer rolls over to 270,000 miles. 70K is nothing today.

Tires are 300+ a piece high performance - I don't go to dealership. A good buddy is a mechanic and I only pay for parts... The Dealer gets 1500 for breaks on Tourage

yeah yeah, I own a camaro SS, a Lexus IS and have owned a mustang with 450hp. 300+ each for a VW tire? cmon now.

yeah yeah, I own a camaro SS, a Lexus IS and have owned a mustang with 450hp. 300+ each for a VW tire? cmon now.

Not sure how your cars are relevant to what tires cost for my wife's truck.. Why would I give two shits and make. Something up?

http://www.sears.com/automotive-tires-all-tires/s-1030483

BMW, takes a special reset tool.

As far as I know the oil light can be reset from the trip computer, but I have never done it myself. My cousin is a BMW master mechanic and I was sitting in the passenger seat when he reset my computer. It doesn't work for all BMWs as far as I know.

Press and hold the trip meter button and turn the ignition key to accessory position. Hold for 5 secs until you see "Reset" appear. Release and immediately press and hold again for another 5 secs until "Reset" flashes. Release and press again and the service counter should read a little over 15k miles.

Regards,

I didn't read all the posts so maybe it has been mentioned. Was the car bought new? Still under warranty?? If so they come with free maintenance. My wife is on her 2nd BMW since 2008 and we have never paid for any maintenance. They even give her a BMW loaner car while they service our BMW.

As far as I know the oil light can be reset from the trip computer, but I have never done it myself. My cousin is a BMW master mechanic and I was sitting in the passenger seat when he reset my computer. It doesn't work for all BMWs as far as I know.

Press and hold the trip meter button and turn the ignition key to accessory position. Hold for 5 secs until you see "Reset" appear. Release and immediately press and hold again for another 5 secs until "Reset" flashes. Release and press again and the service counter should read a little over 15k miles.

Regards,

That is correct. I reset mine after each oil change.

its out of warranty and maintenance , taking my 2010 f250 in to dealer tomorrow..just printed out this coupon

$74.95 THE WORKS 6.4L [SR01PHDR]
Includes oil and oil filter change with up to 15 quarts of Motorcraft® Diesel Oil - Rotate and inspect four tires - Check air filters - Inspect brake system - Test battery - Check belts and hoses - Top off all fluids
Retail purchases only. Taxes and disposal fees extra. Not available with Motorcraft® Synthetic Oil. Tire rotation on dual-rear-wheel vehicles extra. See Service Advisor for vehicle exclusions and details.Offer valid with coupon.
Matthews Currie Ford Company
Expires 8/23/2012.

chris, by the way nothing is for "free"..pay for it one way or another..but you know that

its out of warranty and maintenance , taking my 2010 f250 in to dealer tomorrow..just printed out this coupon

$74.95 THE WORKS 6.4L [SR01PHDR]
Includes oil and oil filter change with up to 15 quarts of Motorcraft® Diesel Oil - Rotate and inspect four tires - Check air filters - Inspect brake system - Test battery - Check belts and hoses - Top off all fluids
Retail purchases only. Taxes and disposal fees extra. Not available with Motorcraft® Synthetic Oil. Tire rotation on dual-rear-wheel vehicles extra. See Service Advisor for vehicle exclusions and details.Offer valid with coupon.
Matthews Currie Ford Company
Expires 8/23/2012.

chris, by the way nothing is for "free"..pay for it one way or another..but you know that

What would it be if there was no coupon? Just asking. Courious

Not sure, I will ask today...and see what else I get stuck with

Got a coupon on my desk for my F250, 15 qts. of oil, oil filter, and both fuel filters- 145.99 Seems a good deal to me.

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