Dockside Chat - The Problem is those legal Gun owners

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/02/philly-man-allegedly-carries-ak-47-on-subway-during-rush-hour/

Authorities say a Philadelphia man is behind bars after he carried a partly disassembled AK-47 assault rifle and other weapons onto a crowded subway car during rush hour.

Investigators say Jermal Ponds, 28, also had a loaded handgun and a 12-inch bayonet when he was arrested Tuesday evening.

Police say a search also turned up about two dozen Percocet pills and more than an ounce of marijuana after a passenger getting off at City Hall told a transit officer she'd seen a man apparently carrying a gun.

Transit officers, including members of a specially trained unit that deals with anti terrorism, flooded the scene and found Ponds on the last car of the northbound Broad Street Line train and discovered the items after he consented to a search.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that police said they found a.38-caliber revolver with six rounds in its chamber; an AK-47 with a 40-round clip. The paper also reported that police found a 12-inch hunting knife; 30 pills of Percocet; more than an ounce of marijuana and over $700 in cash, a SEPTA spokeswoman said.

Ponds is being held on $100,000 bail on drug and weapons charges. Court records don't list an attorney for him.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/02/philly-man-allegedly-carries-ak-47-on-subway-during-rush-hour/#ixzz22PABQOfq

It's that damn POT that's causing all this crime!:grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

[Officer] Adorno described the suspect as about 5-foot-10 with a full beard and tattoos on both arms. "He had a face on him, like he was up to no good," he said.

wouldn't it be a 40 round magazine...

Yes it would. :grin:

[Officer] Adorno described the suspect as about 5-foot-10 with a full beard and tattoos on both arms. "He had a face on him, like he was up to no good," he said.

Looks stoned ;)

http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/U.S./Jermal_Ponds.jpg

Did he have skittles?

Did he have skittles?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Was it the gun sticking out of the bag that allowed the police to stop and search or the type of gun?

There was a clip on here a little while back about a kid who walked down the street open carrying and got away with it due to knowing the law etc.

Is there a difference here legally and if so what is it?

Genuine question as I don't know any laws pertaining to firearms, or any laws for that matter.

I only ask because a "woman saw a man with a gun" and I think that is what happened the other time...only the cops backed down.

Is it because of where he was with a gun?

Was it the gun sticking out of the bag that allowed the police to stop and search or the type of gun?

There was a clip on here a little while back about a kid who walked down the street open carrying and got away with it due to knowing the law etc.

Is there a difference here legally and if so what is it?

Genuine question as I don't know any laws pertaining to firearms, or any laws for that matter.

I only ask because a "woman saw a man with a gun" and I think that is what happened the other time...only the cops backed down.

Is it because of where he was with a gun?

I live two blocks from where this happened right near city hall. The Broad st line heads past Temple university and into North Philly(very bad area for those who don't know) He wasn't open carry. He was concealed without a permit. Also not sure if you can open carry an assault rifle? There are over a dozen shootings a week in the neighborhoods that train was eventually headed to.

What kind of idiot gets on a subway with loaded weapons? There will be no sympathy from me.

[quote=jerseysportfisher;4816309

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that police said they found a.38-caliber revolver with six rounds in its chamber; an AK-47 with a 40-round clip. The paper also reported that police found a 12-inch hunting knife; 30 pills of Percocet; more than an ounce of marijuana and over $700 in cash, a SEPTA spokeswoman said.


How is this possible?;?

[quote=jerseysportfisher;4816309

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that police said they found a.38-caliber revolver with six rounds in its chamber; an AK-47 with a 40-round clip. The paper also reported that police found a 12-inch hunting knife; 30 pills of Percocet; more than an ounce of marijuana and over $700 in cash, a SEPTA spokeswoman said.


How is this possible?;?

Typical news. AK-47's don't even have "clips". Another example of gun morons trying to report gun news.

I live two blocks from where this happened right near city hall. The Broad st line heads past Temple university and into North Philly(very bad area for those who don't know) He wasn't open carry. He was concealed without a permit. Also not sure if you can open carry an assault rifle? There are over a dozen shootings a week in the neighborhoods that train was eventually headed to.

Class 1 city in Pa. Your not allowed to carry conceled legal or otherwise if i'am not mistaken. It's like NY city.

Class 1 city in Pa. Your not allowed to carry conceled legal or otherwise if i'am not mistaken. It's like NY city.

NY you can't carry a BIG GULP

Class 1 city in Pa. Your not allowed to carry conceled legal or otherwise if i'am not mistaken. It's like NY city.

I have a CC permit and it's good anywhere in the state. I know NYC you need a special permit but in philly a PA permit is fine.

If guns were illegal this would have never happened.

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Typical news. AK-47's don't even have "clips". Another example of gun morons trying to report gun news.

No clips...? What do they have....?

[quote=Shag;4818572]

No clips...? What do they have....?

Magazines.

If guns were illegal this would have never happened.

correct

we should put more signs up maybe that would help

:rofl:

:roll

DA Calls Out NRA After AK-47 Toting Septa Passenger's Bail Increased (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CAwQqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxphilly.com%2Fstory%2F191 91530%2Fda-calls-out-nra-after-ak-47-toting-septa-passengers-bail-increased&ei=VXccUNb_OdDiyAHmuoGgBw&usg=AFQjCNEOozDaiAyCVI8vYkOzu1XD6n3Tnw&sig2=nRW31zwq_etSk3a0xpPZzg)

Ponds lawyer says he was moving the guns from his girlfriends home to a new apartment and had no intention of using them. He said a "lapse in judgement" caused him to get on the SEPTA subway with the weapons.

Police says Ponds has three prior arrests, but no convictions. Both weapons were legally registered, but Ponds did not have a permit to carry the handgun. Police say he shouldn't have been carrying the AK-47 in the same bag with the loaded 40 round magazine.

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Magazines.

That's funny stuff right there indeed.....back until the 60s/70s all magazines were officially called clips......which makes one wonder what the real difference might be between a magazine and a clip.....????

:roll

DA Calls Out NRA After AK-47 Toting Septa Passenger's Bail Increased (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CAwQqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxphilly.com%2Fstory%2F191 91530%2Fda-calls-out-nra-after-ak-47-toting-septa-passengers-bail-increased&ei=VXccUNb_OdDiyAHmuoGgBw&usg=AFQjCNEOozDaiAyCVI8vYkOzu1XD6n3Tnw&sig2=nRW31zwq_etSk3a0xpPZzg)

Ponds lawyer says he was moving the guns from his girlfriends home to a new apartment and had no intention of using them. He said a "lapse in judgement" caused him to get on the SEPTA subway with the weapons.

Police says Ponds has three prior arrests, but no convictions. Both weapons were legally registered, but Ponds did not have a permit to carry the handgun. Police say he shouldn't have been carrying the AK-47 in the same bag with the loaded 40 round magazine.

The ACLU watches after the 1st and the NRA watches after the 2nd. I don't agree with either one 100% but thank God they both exist. The article says he "could" have started shooting and "what if" he pulled it out and started shooting. If we live every day wondering what 'could" happen and "what if" could happen we would be paralyzed as a society. Bad judgement? Yes. Liberal media up to their usual hype? Yes.

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That's funny stuff right there indeed.....back until the 60s/70s all magazines were officially called clips......which makes one wonder what the real difference might be between a magazine and a clip.....????

Mags are box type bullet holders that feed ammo into to a gun with spring pressure.
Clips are used on Belt fed Machine Guns [ Real assault weapons ] The clips hold the bullets to the belt.

And if I'm not mistaken you can insert clips into the magazine on your M1a/M14 rifle as well. :)

And if I'm not mistaken you can insert clips into the magazine on your M1a/M14 rifle as well. :)


M1A's/M14's take magazines. M1 Garands take clips.

[quote=captbone;4820243]

That's funny stuff right there indeed.....back until the 60s/70s all magazines were officially called clips......which makes one wonder what the real difference might be between a magazine and a clip.....????



Do a search. Then you will be better informed when you post in public.

:roll

DA Calls Out NRA After AK-47 Toting Septa Passenger's Bail Increased (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CAwQqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxphilly.com%2Fstory%2F191 91530%2Fda-calls-out-nra-after-ak-47-toting-septa-passengers-bail-increased&ei=VXccUNb_OdDiyAHmuoGgBw&usg=AFQjCNEOozDaiAyCVI8vYkOzu1XD6n3Tnw&sig2=nRW31zwq_etSk3a0xpPZzg)

Ponds lawyer says he was moving the guns from his girlfriends home to a new apartment and had no intention of using them. He said a "lapse in judgement" caused him to get on the SEPTA subway with the weapons.

Police says Ponds has three prior arrests, but no convictions. Both weapons were legally registered, but Ponds did not have a permit to carry the handgun. Police say he shouldn't have been carrying the AK-47 in the same bag with the loaded 40 round magazine.


Guns and drugs is one thing. The revolver is another when he didn't have a permit.
The police saying he "shouldn't be carrying" the magizine and the gun in the same bag is wet runny bullshit. Was it loaded or not is the only question.

M1A's/M14's take magazines. M1 Garands take clips.

Thanks. That was what I was picturing when I wrote it but confused the 2. I knew it was 30-06 though. :)

NY you can't carry a BIG GULP

Yeah but fags can have all the BIG GULPS they want. :rofl:

On this level...

A magazine is an integral or detachable part of a weapon that contains ammunition to be fed into the firing chamber.

A clip is a device for transporting reserve ammunition in a manner that permits rapid reloading of the magazine.

The en-bloc clip of a M-1/Garand is kind of a hybrid device. You load the whole clip into the magazine. The ends of this clip act as the feed lips at the top of the magazine. It is impossible to load this weapon without a clip except by putting one round at a tme directly into the chamber. When loading the clip be careful that your thumb does not linger because too much pressure can cause the slide to release causing a squeezing sensation on your thumb that you will be loathe to experience a second time.

Legal or not, you can expect to be hassled carrying a long-arm in an urban environment. Be courteous of your fellow citizens and carry a wad of toilet paper with your ID and (if required in your jurisdicition) permit.

NY you can't carry a BIG GULP

Unless you pour it in your pants.

SO the fact that this guy was a drug trafficer, and moving his stash was irrelevant to the fact he carried a little heat to protect his investment. Beaurocracy and political correctness at it's finest.

[quote=jerseysportfisher;4816309

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that police said they found a.38-caliber revolver with six rounds in its chamber; an AK-47 with a 40-round clip. The paper also reported that police found a 12-inch hunting knife; 30 pills of Percocet; more than an ounce of marijuana and over $700 in cash, a SEPTA spokeswoman said.


How is this possible?;?

A .38 is a rimmed cartridge, so I'm not sure how the other 5 would fit. The lib media really doesn't understand anything about guns, other than they are icky. If it looks like a small box with a spring and a follower inside, it's a magazine. You can use a clip to fill a magazine, but if you have cartridges in something and that something is what feeds your firearm, it's a magazine.

A .38 is a rimmed cartridge, so I'm not sure how the other 5 would fit.


Haven't you never seen a 6 round chamber? (Me neither)

Haven't you never seen a 6 round chamber? (Me neither)

i believe they were referring to 6 rounds in the cylinder of a revolver...if youre gonna tear them up maybe it would help others who are not familiar with the proper terminology if you would add some so they might understand...

or join the others here who have managed to make fun while using incorrect terminology and reference themselves....

The ACLU watches after the 1st and the NRA watches after the 2nd. I don't agree with either one 100% but thank God they both exist. The article says he "could" have started shooting and "what if" he pulled it out and started shooting. If we live every day wondering what 'could" happen and "what if" could happen we would be paralyzed as a society. Bad judgement? Yes. Liberal media up to their usual hype? Yes.

Thank god for the ACLU??? Thats a first for me.

The police saying he "shouldn't be carrying" the magizine and the gun in the same bag is wet runny bullshit. Was it loaded or not is the only question.

Dunno about where you live, but in this state, any firearm being transported (car, boat, public transportation, on foot, etc.) must be "unloaded in both barrel and magazine" and in a case. A firearm in the same case as a loaded magazine will be treated as a loaded firearm, whether the magazine is attached or detached. A loaded clip is not a magazine. Speedloaders do cause some debate.

An exception to the rule above is for people with valid concealed carry licenses, who may transport a loaded pistol. Another exception is for people with valid hunting licenses carrying a firearm in the field.