Dockside Chat - So a student hit my teacher wife...

My wife is a 2nd grade teacher (specializes in reading & math for kids not keeping up with others), and deals with a lot of kids with "issues". So the other day, she was returning a girl to her class, when the girl smacked my wifes arm away from the door twice so she could be the one to knock on the door. Then while doing that, she flailed her arm backward striking my wife twice in the mouth. My wife was standing behind her

The girl is sent home for the remainder of the day, then suspended one day. The mother of the child meets today with my wife and special services etc... care to guess what the first words out of the mothers mouth were?

You guessed it... "I met with a lawyer yesterday."

And of course what followed later was "but she never acts out at home and does everything I say..."

I bet her Pit bull doesn't bite either.



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Low blow on the pitbull. Leave the dogs out of it

Think he was joking max.

Strike1 - I feel for your wife and most teachers. Teachers are the most underrated and underpaid professionals we have in this great America of ours. Are there any videos that could have captured what the little brat did to your wife? Hope so for her sake.

Good luck.

I don't know why, but after reading the OP's comments one word came to my mind.......glock.

Forgot to say that my wife was not hurt, no blood, broken teeth etc.


I personally would have back handed the darling angel, then b1tch slapped her charming mother... twice.

I feel for you. While administrators occasionally do whacky things, the parents definitely take the cake!!!! Twice we've dealt with issues at my kids schools.

The first they wanted to point out a behavioral issue (2nd-3rd grade???) and were prepared for us to fight them......they were actually shocked when we agreed and asked them for recommendations in dealing with this type of issue.

Second was the principal calling to say our 14 year old (same kid/years later) had his lunch taken, chased the kid, headlocked him then shoved him down once the kid released his lunch, then returned to his table to eat without further action. The thief got a bloody nose when he hit the seat on the way down........so, under the circumstances she was ONLY suspending him for 10 days!!!! WTF, even the school knows he wasn't the agressor here!!!

The next day the school officer calls to say the other kids mother wants to press assault charges!!!! The cop talked the lady out of that when he informed her we could press theft charges.

Teachers are the most underrated and underpaid professionals we have in this great America of ours.

Disagree. They get paid fairly for what they do. That said, I wouldn't put up with those kids for any amount of salary.

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Teachers are the most underrated and underpaid professionals we have in this great America of ours.
Disagree. They get paid fairly for what they do. That said, I wouldn't put up with those kids for any amount of salary.

I agree with this. Teachers know what they are going to make before they get into the profession, and they are compensated with other benefits than salary. Time off, govt benefits, tenure, good job security, great hours, etc.

2 words... private school.

Unfortunately teachers are more baby sitters now, and parents don't really parent. This is one of the reasons i don't want kids, but if I did have a child they would go to private school.

The world is full of stupid people breeding and they all send their kids to public school to be raised.

Think he was joking max.

Strike1 - I feel for your wife and most teachers. Teachers are the most underrated and underpaid professionals we have in this great America of ours. Are there any videos that could have captured what the little brat did to your wife? Hope so for her sake.

Good luck..

I have to disagree with teachers under paid. Drive through both of my kids school teacher parking lots( elementry and high school). There are more BMW's, jaguars escaldes and Mercedes then any other vehicle's. This faculty parking only

I bet her Pit bull doesn't bite either.



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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl:

Beat the kid's mother to the punch and file assault charges. Then tell the mother that now she really has a reason to hire an attorney

Around here we have a "special" school for kids with behavior problems and they won't hesitate to use it.

2 words... private school.

Unfortunately teachers are more baby sitters now, and parents don't really parent. This is one of the reasons i don't want kids, but if I did have a child they would go to private school.

The world is full of stupid people breeding and they all send their kids to public school to be raised.




Why, because there are no children with behavior issues or special needs in private schools? Don't be naive.

I ABSOLUTLEY did not want this to be a thread about whether teachers are over paid or under paid, and I am not going to get into it, hours worked etc.

I ABSOLUTLEY did not want this to be a thread about whether teachers are over paid or under paid, and I am not going to get into it, hours worked etc.

Sorry Strike...my bad. :roll In my opinion they do have one of the hardest jobs around. Good luck to her.

I feel for you. While administrators occasionally do whacky things, the parents definitely take the cake!!!! Twice we've dealt with issues at my kids schools.

The first they wanted to point out a behavioral issue (2nd-3rd grade???) and were prepared for us to fight them......they were actually shocked when we agreed and asked them for recommendations in dealing with this type of issue.

Second was the principal calling to say our 14 year old (same kid/years later) had his lunch taken, chased the kid, headlocked him then shoved him down once the kid released his lunch, then returned to his table to eat without further action. The thief got a bloody nose when he hit the seat on the way down........so, under the circumstances she was ONLY suspending him for 10 days!!!! WTF, even the school knows he wasn't the agressor here!!!

The next day the school officer calls to say the other kids mother wants to press assault charges!!!! The cop talked the lady out of that when he informed her we could press theft charges.


They wanted your son to act as the clerks do in the stores where the mobs steal, let them have the lunch (merchandise) and do nothing in retaliation.

Training the kids for the real world.

Do you believe the kid that stole the lunch would hesitate to steal in the stores? They wouldn't think twice before doing it.


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Since she is not hurt save for her feelings, let the union handle it...isn't that what teachers pay dues for? ;? (not meant to sound disparaging)

Meanwhile we had a troublemaker in my son's 3rd and 4th grade classes that had many parent-complaints logged against him, however no action was taken until he took a swing at the principal...that got him suspended. I guess it wasn't a big deal until then. :roll
Same story from his parents: he's such a good kid at home.

Think he was joking max.



Of course I was joking.
















We know all pit bulls don't bite! ;)




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My G/F is a special needs teacher too....she's been hit, slapped, biten, pissed on.....and so on. I'm amazed at the paperwork she has to keep up with to keep herself and the school from being sued. I have NO idea how she deals with it! I would have been in jail a LONG time ago. Guess that's why I'm an engineer with virtually NO contact with the public! lol

It takes a truly special person to be a teacher to put with some of those little aholes and their so called parents. Your wife should've gotten an apology to say the least. Good luck

Some people expect the teachers to raise their kids as well as teach them. These are the same people that depend on Uncle Sam to provide their food and shelter. The teachers didn't sign up for that. They are there to teach. Since the public school system hasn't done anything about this, they are getting left with crappy teachers.
Here is an example. I can't believe she got paid suspention. The tax payers are paying her to watch Opra on suspention.
Amateur footage of Tanya Dixon-Neely, a social studies teacher at North Rowan High School in Spencer, N.C., telling a student he could be arrested for saying negative things about President Barack Obama has gone viral on the Internet, prompting school officials to launch an investigation, WBTV reports (http://salisbury.wbtv.com/news/politics/73239-classroom-debate-over-obama-goes-viral-teacher-suspended).
According to the station, Dixon-Neely has been placed on paid suspension pending the investigation's results.
The Salisbury Post reports that, in the nearly 10-minute video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vjpWaESn_9g#!), the student can be heard saying Obama and GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney are both "just men" (http://www.salisburypost.com/News/051912-North-teacher-on-video-qcd) -- a statement the teacher refutes harshly.
“Listen, let me tell you something, you will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom,” Dixon-Neely says in the video.
Later in the video, the student maintains that freedom of speech allows people to say what they want without fear of punishment. But according to the footage, Dixon-Neely didn't let the discussion end there.
“Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?” she's heard saying in the video. “Do you realize you are not supposed to slander the president?”
While school officials would not comment on the incident in detail due to the open investigation, they told WBTV that it should serve as a lesson to teachers about their "interaction with students."

News & Record editorial writer Doug Clark wrote Monday that the video makes him question (http://www.news-record.com/blog/54431/entry/144286) the education Dixon-Neely's students are receiving.
"My larger concern is, if this excerpt is indicative of her teaching style and classroom management skills -- her students may not be learning much of anything," Clark writes. "This is very embarrassing for North Rowan High School and Rowan-Salisbury Schools."
CORRECTION: A previous version of this article incorrectly that Dixon-Neely had been suspended without pay. The teacher was placed on a paid suspension. The article also previously misspelled Dixon-Neely's first name.

I agree with filing assault charges......the kid needs to learn sometime, and there's no time like the present.....

If it were my wife, I would:

a. Kick her [wife] in the butt for even being a teacher since the inmates run the asylum.

b. File a Complaint in Juvenile Court against the 'child' for being unruly and battery.

c. Retain a Teacher's Union lawyer and file suit against the school board for not providing a safe work environment.

d. etc. :grin:
d.

Why, because there are no children with behavior issues or special needs in private schools? Don't be naive.

Sure they do, but you don't have the BS bureaucratic public school crap to deal with. Private schools are a luxury and they expel, and punish in completely different ways. Some of them even still discipline kids.

It makes me sick to read these things that happen like this and the parenting is so poor a child acts like this and then the parent sees dollar signs. The parent, the lawyer and the child needs a foot up their ass.

welcome to this age group having kids these days.
Have you seen what has happened to the boy scouts , It is nothing more then daycare now

They wanted your son to act as the clerks do in the stores where the mobs steal, let them have the lunch (merchandise) and do nothing in retaliation.

Training the kids for the real world.

Do you believe the kid that stole the lunch would hesitate to steal in the stores? They wouldn't think twice before doing it.


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unfortunately you are correct.
I let my son know he "did the right thing IMO" but that we have to deal with the school punishment. I also let him know if the school called and said HE got a bloody nose for taking someone elses lunch he'd get another one when he got home! (figure of speech guys, he got the point)

My wife had her lunch stolen a couple times. They couldn't catch the kid but one of her students reached nito her bag one day and took her bottle of water and swigged a guld then laughed at her in front of her class. She reported that to the "resource office" and the kids was taken out in 'cuffs. He now has a juvie record for petty larceny and the school can expel him if he's caught stealing again on school grounds.

Of course, this 'kid' was a high-school freshman and maybe a tough reponse will set him straight. For a 2nd grader one would like to hope it can be handled without police intervention but do whatever it takes to protect yourself!

welcome to this age group having kids these days.
Have you seen what has happened to the boy scouts , It is nothing more then daycare now

After completing a 20 mile hike with my 11 yo son a few months ago for boy scouts, I must say that it is the most painful daycare I have ever seen. I actually had to go buy some ben gay after the hike. I didn't even know if they still made it.

They wanted your son to act as the clerks do in the stores where the mobs steal, let them have the lunch (merchandise) and do nothing in retaliation.

Training the kids for the real world.

Do you believe the kid that stole the lunch would hesitate to steal in the stores? They wouldn't think twice before doing it.


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Who knows, the kid that stole the lunch may have learned a lesson that will serve him well in life which is there can be consequences for theft.

Second was the principal calling to say our 14 year old (same kid/years later) had his lunch taken, chased the kid, headlocked him then shoved him down once the kid released his lunch, then returned to his table to eat without further action. The thief got a bloody nose when he hit the seat on the way down........so, under the circumstances she was ONLY suspending him for 10 days!!!! WTF, even the school knows he wasn't the agressor here!!!

I'll bet the thief learned to leave your son alone! Direct, painful lessons make the best impression.

Future POTUS.

Sure they do, but you don't have the BS bureaucratic public school crap to deal with. Private schools are a luxury and they expel, and punish in completely different ways. Some of them even still discipline kids.

Balonga!

I put 3 kids k-12 through private school. Believe me when I tell you the cost were astronomical. With the type of work I do and my wife does, it stretched the budget to breaking more than once. College tuition was a cost break.

We were the group that could barely afford tuition. Then their was the group that had "memorial buildings" - "memorial sidewalks" named after their family. They sent their kids to private school even got the admitted to a "full" enrollment, when the brats got chunked out of public school. All by making substantial donations to the school.

The little sh!ts had and caused the same problems at private school as they did at public school. But school officials were bought and paid for. Theft, guns, assault to teachers, you name it. But because the school educated the "upper crust" you never heard anything in the news. Even had one of the teachers doing a kid, no charges, no noise.

Go figure. Now years later, I acknowledge that my kids got a good education, but the cost were stupid. The biggest thing that I believe helped my kids get a good education, was, my wife and I were at that school danged near everyday. Volunteering for this or that, track team, wrestling team, cross country running team, dance team, soccer, and a few others. Every teacher and every student in that school knew us, and more importantly they knew which kids belonged to us.

....... The mother of the child meets today with my wife and special services etc... care to guess what the first words out of the mothers mouth were?

You guessed it... "I met with a lawyer yesterday."..."


Is she by chance the same female who called 911 when McDonald's shorted her 3 french fries on her "Super Size Meal" ????

Don"t react and your a puss.

React and your a racist!

Enjoy!!!


John

Beat the kid's mother to the punch and file assault charges. Then tell the mother that now she really has a reason to hire an attorney

X2. If they want to play in the sandbox, show them how deep the sand is

-T

Having been in private schools myself, and sent some of my kids to private, and public schools, I can say without hesitation private is "better" generally. I not saying that in an absolute sense because there are more opportunities in public school for high achievers and the self motivated.

Private schools don't do much discipline, they suspend and then expel for the repeat offenders.

I wouldn't think too much into it, second grader, learning disabled and all.. This happened to my youngest son when he was in Kindergarten (public). They were in "circle" reading a.book. Circle time ended and they had to get up and go back to their desks to do work. My son had a brain fart after he failed to get up and go back to his desk. She again asked him, politely I'm sure, to get up and go to his desk. He swatted at her hitting her ankle. Well there is a "no tolerance" policy here when it comes to that and he was sent home and got the next day off. The teacher actually cried because she didn't know that this would happen....... He also got an ass whipping, Kindergarten or not.. I believe this will probably be the only time in his life he "hits" a woman. We supported the policy and the teacher no question. Sounds like this kids mom is the one who needs the ass whipping though.

Have you seen what has happened to the boy scouts , It is nothing more then daycare now




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I can't agree with that statement either. As the Scoutmaster of an active troop with over 40 registered Scouts I'll have to politely disagree.

Like most things in life, Scouting is what you make of it. This past Sunday my Troop held an Eagle Scout Court of Honor for 4 excellent young men and we are on pace to have another 4 or more Eagles before the end of the year.

In the past 3 years, my Troop has delivered over 2000 man hours of community service to our community and the neighboring towns.

In July, I have 29 Scouts and 5 adults attending camp for a week. At the end of July I'm taking a group of 4 Dads and 8 Scouts to Colorado and New Mexico for 15 days to visit Philmont Scout Ranch.

Babysitting? I don't think so. Teaching young men strong values, character and leadership is more like it. Just like it has been for 102 years.

Think he was joking max.

Teachers are the most underrated and underpaid professionals we have in this great America of ours.
Good luck.

For the amount of hours and benefits teachers are very well compensated, the problem is a lot of people hold the "title", but very few are true teachers, as far as the kid belting her, hazards of the job, it wasn't intentional, as far as the mom, there is always time to meet up with her on your own time and give a little after school tutoring.

Balonga!

I put 3 kids k-12 through private school. Believe me when I tell you the cost were astronomical. With the type of work I do and my wife does, it stretched the budget to breaking more than once. College tuition was a cost break.

We were the group that could barely afford tuition. Then their was the group that had "memorial buildings" - "memorial sidewalks" named after their family. They sent their kids to private school even got the admitted to a "full" enrollment, when the brats got chunked out of public school. All by making substantial donations to the school.

The little sh!ts had and caused the same problems at private school as they did at public school. But school officials were bought and paid for. Theft, guns, assault to teachers, you name it. But because the school educated the "upper crust" you never heard anything in the news. Even had one of the teachers doing a kid, no charges, no noise.

Go figure. Now years later, I acknowledge that my kids got a good education, but the cost were stupid. The biggest thing that I believe helped my kids get a good education, was, my wife and I were at that school danged near everyday. Volunteering for this or that, track team, wrestling team, cross country running team, dance team, soccer, and a few others. Every teacher and every student in that school knew us, and more importantly they knew which kids belonged to us.


Totally agree on getting involved being the best thing for YOUR children. My wife is a "stay-at-home" but finds herself at the elementary school several times a week (during the school day). So much so she's been asked to watch a class while the teacher leaves for something and the lunch ladies have asked what grade she teaches.

I agree with filing assault charges......the kid needs to learn sometime, and there's no time like the present.....

Yeah, that's the ticket, slap her little second grade ass in jail, she'll reaqlly learn something then ... :o

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I can't agree with that statement either. As the Scoutmaster of an active troop with over 40 registered Scouts I'll have to politely disagree.

Like most things in life, Scouting is what you make of it. This past Sunday my Troop held an Eagle Scout Court of Honor for 4 excellent young men and we are on pace to have another 4 or more Eagles before the end of the year.

In the past 3 years, my Troop has delivered over 2000 man hours of community service to our community and the neighboring towns.

In July, I have 29 Scouts and 5 adults attending camp for a week. At the end of July I'm taking a group of 4 Dads and 8 Scouts to Colorado and New Mexico for 15 days to visit Philmont Scout Ranch.

Babysitting? I don't think so. Teaching young men strong values, character and leadership is more like it. Just like it has been for 102 years.

A kid who is in scouts is there because he wants to be there and most likely was brought up to know what is and isnt acceptable by his parents already. Scouts mostly reenforces what he has learned already.

I agree with filing assault charges......the kid needs to learn sometime, and there's no time like the present.....

Yeah, that's the ticket, slap her little second grade ass in jail, she'll reaqlly learn something then ... :o


I would think that filing assault charges would be the reaction IF the mother pursued legal action (the best defense is a good offense). Remember, the mother met with her lawyer before she even met with the school to find out what happened.

Then, you could always agree to drop the charges if they agreed to do the same.


(if you read back to my post about my kid getting suspended, even the school cop told the other parent we would file charges if she did....and he told her that before he had even talked to us about it)

When I was growing up, we had teachers, principals, and guidance councelors to keep us in order. My kids are in elementary and middle school now, and they each have "resource officers", which are actually real police officers (complete with guns), in the schools full time. To me, that says alot about kids and parenting these days.

My wife is a high school teacher and this is always one of my biggest fears. Earlier this year she had a big fight in her classroom between two girls. It was the middle of first period and a girl from her second period class knocks on the door, comes into class and attacks one of the girls in the room. My wife calls for help, tries to seperate the girls and the agressor attacks my wife trying to get through her, to get to the other girl.

The agressor was suspened for 10 days, and then after that was going to be back in my wife's classroom. My wife told administration that if they let this girl back into her classroom, who pushed, swung at, and kicked her, she was walking out and never coming back.

IMO...the hours she puts in, and the trouble she deals with, and the number of degrees she has is not worth her salary. She would make more money if she got paid by the hour at Walmart than she does teaching, but thats another discusion.

Balonga!

I put 3 kids k-12 through private school. Believe me when I tell you the cost were astronomical. With the type of work I do and my wife does, it stretched the budget to breaking more than once. College tuition was a cost break.

We were the group that could barely afford tuition. Then their was the group that had "memorial buildings" - "memorial sidewalks" named after their family. They sent their kids to private school even got the admitted to a "full" enrollment, when the brats got chunked out of public school. All by making substantial donations to the school.

The little sh!ts had and caused the same problems at private school as they did at public school. But school officials were bought and paid for. Theft, guns, assault to teachers, you name it. But because the school educated the "upper crust" you never heard anything in the news. Even had one of the teachers doing a kid, no charges, no noise.

Go figure. Now years later, I acknowledge that my kids got a good education, but the cost were stupid. The biggest thing that I believe helped my kids get a good education, was, my wife and I were at that school danged near everyday. Volunteering for this or that, track team, wrestling team, cross country running team, dance team, soccer, and a few others. Every teacher and every student in that school knew us, and more importantly they knew which kids belonged to us.

Mind if I ask what school? I went to Episcopal in Baton Rouge; and ya.... I'd have to agree with you.

When I was growing up, we had teachers, principals, and guidance councelors to keep us in order. My kids are in elementary and middle school now, and they each have "resource officers", which are actually real police officers (complete with guns), in the schools full time. To me, that says alot about kids and parenting these days.

I sat on a grand jury (in Florida) that investigated schools about how they handled crime and criminal behavior. From that grand jury, Fl insituted the "Resourse Officer" program. It was necessay, needed and works.

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I have to disagree with teachers under paid. Drive through both of my kids school teacher parking lots( elementry and high school). There are more BMW's, jaguars escaldes and Mercedes then any other vehicle's. This faculty parking only

Where do you live? I need to move.

Teacher's salaries in my school district are likewise very generous. Entry level is 45-62K, and tenured elementary school teachers are pulling down salaries of 100K+. Even senior custodians and maintenance workers can make 52K, and head custodians top out at 62+.

That being said, I've known elementary school teachers who've put in 12 hour days at one time or another during the school year.

Still, the cost of living isnt cheap here....property taxes on even small homes are in the 8,500-12,000 a year bracket

And yes, there are new BMWs, MB's, and even the occasional Jag in the school parking lots during the day....:grin:

Mind if I ask what school? I went to Episcopal in Baton Rouge; and ya.... I'd have to agree with you.

Uhhh! Let's see that name sounds very familiar!

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I can't agree with that statement either. As the Scoutmaster of an active troop with over 40 registered Scouts I'll have to politely disagree.

Like most things in life, Scouting is what you make of it. This past Sunday my Troop held an Eagle Scout Court of Honor for 4 excellent young men and we are on pace to have another 4 or more Eagles before the end of the year.

In the past 3 years, my Troop has delivered over 2000 man hours of community service to our community and the neighboring towns.

In July, I have 29 Scouts and 5 adults attending camp for a week. At the end of July I'm taking a group of 4 Dads and 8 Scouts to Colorado and New Mexico for 15 days to visit Philmont Scout Ranch.

Babysitting? I don't think so. Teaching young men strong values, character and leadership is more like it. Just like it has been for 102 years.

I can tell you Central florida isn't like you have it up north.
Signed my kid up so he could learn things like I did. It was nothing but a day care, the parents dropped the kids off while they went out.

my 2 cents - its part of the job - the school should have an appropriate policy - if not that is what the unions and other recourses in our society are for

I would never be a full time teacher now - I sub teach in high school as a retiement job I love it but would never do it full time - - not interested in long hours required to do the job right and dealng with parents. We have GREAT kids here so that makes it an easy job. In New Haven and Hartford its a different world.

BUT all things considered the pay here is fair to good - 40 to 85 G's - probably equal to 25 to 50 in MS. And can work summers and most do. Many have spouses that work and most have side businesses and/or summer homes up North. Its a decent job here for young people.

Sorry, but I wasn't too clear on what "special needs" means re: the child who struck the OPs wife? Is this a child who has mental handicaps/developmental issues? or behavioral issues? I did not get whether the hitting was an accidental backlash of a physically challenged child or an intentional lashing out by a behaviorally challenged kid?

If the former, I think the school overreacted by suspending the kid...if she did not have control over herself then she can't be punished.

If it was behavioral, and intentional, then the kid needed to be punished. If this is the case, the parent sounds like someone who has quite effectively passed a "lash out at what you don't like" mentality to the next generation....which is simply just a sad thing.

Back when I was in junior high and grade school, (PA public schools, cir. early 1970's) the principal had a large red paddle hanging over his desk....and used it. Not that I advocate corporal punishment in this day of age, but it went a long way as a deterrent for those who were on the line, and clear and unmistakable punishment for those who earned it!

Many people think a teacher only works 9 month a year and from 8 to 3 daily. They are terribly mistaken. Often I am held hostage to my wife's job. She works ALL THE TIME(well, until today. It's the last day of school this year and she's taking a year off). She works at school till at least 5 every afternoon, brings home more work and grades papers or plans for tomorrow till almost 10 every night. Then on weekends she "catches up" on the things she didn't get done during the week. I know she is not the "average" teacher. She goes way beyond what most do. She has always taught in private schools and has no interest in going to public schools. I'm really glad I have a life of my own and don't depend on her for it. I'd be out of luck.
Now for the schools. In her private school there is a definite policy on conduct and uniform, including appearance. For the most part it is followed. Several students have severely broken it with no real consequences. Parents with money seem to get what they want. It enrages me that the principal doesn't have the will or balls to take the appropriate action. Two students for sure should have been expelled and never allowed to return. I'm sure there are cases in most schools, private and public. All I can say is, "Choot em"!

Wait til the parent sends their lawyer. 10 bucks it will never happen. Your wife will never even see a boardroom meeting on this. If she is unionized, that is another protection. My wife is head of special ed for a medium sized school district- she has been threatened by many parents of kids that have assualted her, all go nowhere. Why? It takes money to lawyer up against a school.
My wife has been kicked, stabbed, punched, bit, spit upon, pinched in the ass- its all a part of special needs kids. She even had one that wanted to suck her boob as his mom was still breast-feeding him at 8 years old, guess he thought she was his lunch. He literally grabbed her tit to start feeding- can't drink that one off too easily after work.. She had one recently chuck a rock at her and it split her shin open, and her aid is still at home with a sprained ankle from the same student. Parents are always defensive until they accept that their kids behavior is preventing them from being taught.

Based on your statement that "...while doing that, she flailed her arm backward striking my wife twice in the mouth," it sounds the blow to your wife's mouth was not intentional. One could argue that a suspension for accidently hitting a teacher is a bit over-the-top.

Of course, blocking her hand from opening the door was intentional and deserves punishment, but a suspension seems heavy handed for that for a girl who is probably only 7.

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I can't agree with that statement either. As the Scoutmaster of an active troop with over 40 registered Scouts I'll have to politely disagree.

Like most things in life, Scouting is what you make of it. This past Sunday my Troop held an Eagle Scout Court of Honor for 4 excellent young men and we are on pace to have another 4 or more Eagles before the end of the year.

In the past 3 years, my Troop has delivered over 2000 man hours of community service to our community and the neighboring towns.

In July, I have 29 Scouts and 5 adults attending camp for a week. At the end of July I'm taking a group of 4 Dads and 8 Scouts to Colorado and New Mexico for 15 days to visit Philmont Scout Ranch.

Babysitting? I don't think so. Teaching young men strong values, character and leadership is more like it. Just like it has been for 102 years.

when I was younger our Scout Troop had a rule that parents either participated or the kids were out.....our troop was not a weekend camping/babysitting service and participation did not include just buying things and that was that

divorce/single parents were a lot less common back then, but we did have some kids in our troop from single parent families one close friend had parents that were going through a divorce and his dad was going to participate fully still, but he had a heart attack and died, but left the troop some blue chip stocks.....their mom was still very active in book keeping, fund raising, and getting kids to the meetings and such

another kid had a single mom and our troop would break the Scout rules and let her even come on some of the campouts as one of the adults and she was great she was really cool and never complained about anything and out troop also had extended family camping trips where younger kids and sisters could come and some of the parents that could not get a full week off would rotate days when they were on the trip so that we still had plenty of adults

we had a major fund raiser every year selling poinsettias and that is where some of the moms could participate more and we had some other fund raising stuff from time to time that moms could participate more

I knew of other troops where the "controlling I am in charge here" type parents loved to be the ones running everything every trip and every meeting and that works for some, but our troop tried and pretty much did have a camping trip one weekend a month every month of the year for many years running

sure there were a few parents that were there a bit less than others, but they were still there plenty and when the time came their boat or their van or their piece of land was USED and they earned their "buy in time" on those times they could make it

I would never have kids in an "I am in charge here" type of troop because that would just not work for me, but I am sure it works form others and there are plenty of Scout Masters that will eat that crap up and more power to them if that is their deal

Sorry, but I wasn't too clear on what "special needs" means re: the child who struck the OPs wife? Is this a child who has mental handicaps/developmental issues? or behavioral issues? I did not get whether the hitting was an accidental backlash of a physically challenged child or an intentional lashing out by a behaviorally challenged kid?

If the former, I think the school overreacted by suspending the kid...if she did not have control over herself then she can't be punished.

If it was behavioral, and intentional, then the kid needed to be punished. If this is the case, the parent sounds like someone who has quite effectively passed a "lash out at what you don't like" mentality to the next generation....which is simply just a sad thing.

Back when I was in junior high and grade school, (PA public schools, cir. early 1970's) the principal had a large red paddle hanging over his desk....and used it. Not that I advocate corporal punishment in this day of age, but it went a long way as a deterrent for those who were on the line, and clear and unmistakable punishment for those who earned it!

I'm not the OP, but special needs can mean either developmental (mental) or emotional issues. Even if a child is diagnosed with a disorder they still can be punished and suspended. They may be given a longer leash than a mainstream (normal) student, but if they are never punished then they won't ever learn that there are consequences for their actions.

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I have to disagree with teachers under paid. Drive through both of my kids school teacher parking lots( elementry and high school). There are more BMW's, jaguars escaldes and Mercedes then any other vehicle's. This faculty parking only

My wife is a 1st grade teacher. She drives a Lexus, because of my income, not hers and also the fact that we are fiscally conservative!! I pay my guys that work in my shop more than the county pays her. She also pays for all of her and her students supplies, the county allocates about $250 per year for supplies, that's with a class of 19 students. She copies all of the daily classwork etc. at my office, because the county does not provide a copier for the teachers.

The school districts/counties get away without providing the necessary supplies because most teachers are very dedicated. They did not go into teaching because of the compensation package, but because they love children and hope to make a difference in their lives.

Those of you that are not related to a teacher and think they are well paid. don't know what you're talking about. But we agree on one point, I wouldn't put up with the daily BS for all the tea in china! But thank God, someone is willing to do it.

My wife is a 1st grade teacher. She drives a Lexus, because of my income, not hers and also the fact that we are fiscally conservative!! I pay my guys that work in my shop more than the county pays her. She also pays for all of her and her students supplies, the county allocates about $250 per year for supplies, that's with a class of 19 students. She copies all of the daily classwork etc. at my office, because the county does not provide a copier for the teachers.

The school districts/counties get away without providing the necessary supplies because most teachers are very dedicated. They did not go into teaching because of the compensation package, but because they love children and hope to make a difference in their lives.

Those of you that are not related to a teacher and think they are well paid. don't know what you're talking about. But we agree on one point, I wouldn't put up with the daily BS for all the tea in china! But thank God, someone is willing to do it.



Absolutely!!! Great post.

My wife is a 1st grade teacher. She drives a Lexus, because of my income, not hers and also the fact that we are fiscally conservative!! I pay my guys that work in my shop more than the county pays her. She also pays for all of her and her students supplies, the county allocates about $250 per year for supplies, that's with a class of 19 students. She copies all of the daily classwork etc. at my office, because the county does not provide a copier for the teachers.

The school districts/counties get away without providing the necessary supplies because most teachers are very dedicated. They did not go into teaching because of the compensation package, but because they love children and hope to make a difference in their lives.

Those of you that are not related to a teacher and think they are well paid. don't know what you're talking about. But we agree on one point, I wouldn't put up with the daily BS for all the tea in china! But thank God, someone is willing to do it.

x2 I absolutely know what you are talking about. We got my wife a laser printer for the house, for exactly the same reason. My wife and her colleagues work crazy hours, but thankfully due to my job we can afford for my wife to only work one job. Most of her friends have to to take second jobs, not just in the summer months but year round to make ends meet.

It all depends on where you teach and how strong your union is. Down south it is a crime what teachers get paid but up north it is crime on the other side of the spectrum.

In Long Island 2nd grade teachers with 20 years on the job makes $135,000 a year with the best medical benefits and a $100k pension waiting for them for 182 days a year of work.

You can look up any NY school districts contracts online. Its the last page and that is 2010's contract so they have received 4% increase since then.

Here is the proof.

http://qvs.visiblegovernment.us/seethroughNY.net/contracts/school-contracts/510201060000%20East%20Islip%20T.pdf

It all depends on where you teach and how strong your union is. Down south it is a crime what teachers get paid but up north it is crime on the other side of the spectrum.

In Long Island 2nd grade teachers with 20 years on the job makes $135,000 a year with the best medical benefits and a $100k pension waiting for them for 182 days a year of work.

You can look up any NY school districts contracts online. Its the last page and that is 2010's contract so they have received 4% increase since then.

Here is the proof.

http://qvs.visiblegovernment.us/seethroughNY.net/contracts/school-contracts/510201060000%20East%20Islip%20T.pdf

Maybe true up northeast, but not everywhere up north. My wife, after 30 years on the job in Michigan public schools, made about 1/3 that salary and has 1/4 that pension.

Maybe true up northeast, but not everywhere up north. My wife, after 30 years on the job in Michigan public schools, made about 1/3 that salary and has 1/4 that pension.

Agreed. It is only certain pockets in the north but they give teachers all over the country a bad name.

My wife buys enough supplies that she has been able to claim them as an unpaid business expense.

My wife buys enough supplies that she has been able to claim them as an unpaid business expense.

X2, every year for the last 20 years!

x2 I absolutely know what you are talking about. We got my wife a laser printer for the house, for exactly the same reason. My wife and her colleagues work crazy hours, but thankfully due to my job we can afford for my wife to only work one job. Most of her friends have to to take second jobs, not just in the summer months but year round to make ends meet.

Beber,
You and I are on the same page. I'm sitting in my wife's office in our home, on the computer with a color laser printer, scanner, shredder etc right beside me. Thankfully, you & I (as well as many others) have wonderful dedicated wives that devote their career to educating the upcoming generations. To our wives, it's not a career, but a calling, probably not much different than some preachers. While we may not want to do it, thank God they do because they make the world a better place. God bless them.

Time to go work on the boat & get a cold one.

Take care!

As to the question about whether the girl hitting my wife was intentional or not, knocking on a door requires a hand movement of no more than 5 inches back & forth, not two feet.

The girl is not physically or mentally disabled. There would be no question or comment made if she was. According to her mother, she is a well behaved child at home, and can't understand or believe that she would strike a teacher, intentionally try to trip a teacher or other student, stab another kid with a pencil, or try to take a teachers backpack...

It all depends on where you teach and how strong your union is. Down south it is a crime what teachers get paid but up north it is crime on the other side of the spectrum.

In Long Island 2nd grade teachers with 20 years on the job makes $135,000 a year with the best medical benefits and a $100k pension waiting for them for 182 days a year of work.

You can look up any NY school districts contracts online. Its the last page and that is 2010's contract so they have received 4% increase since then.

Here is the proof.

http://qvs.visiblegovernment.us/seethroughNY.net/contracts/school-contracts/510201060000%20East%20Islip%20T.pdf

Cost of living in Long Island New York is probably way higher than the cost of living in Backwaterville, Alabama, or Hillaryville, Louisianna. Dollar for dollar I would think the salary works out to just about the same.

In Alabama you can buy a nice home for $150k, that same $150k won't buy you a dog house in New York.

Was the girl special needs? If not...I would have beat that kid's ass!!! Also why I'm not a teacher/cop. We need to reinstate corporal punishment asap!

Sorry, but I wasn't too clear on what "special needs" means re: the child who struck the OPs wife? !

Google "crazy checks". $$$:mad:

Sorry to hear about your wife.
The "soft" generation took over about 20 years ago +/- and this is where we are. The teachers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
It was no accident that child slapped your wife's hands and most likely no accident she received blows to the face.
Child needs to be sent out of the public school system and her parents tend to her teachings. We all pay our taxes to have a safe and studious environment to learn. Odd that the kids that want to be there have limited "rights"

I can tell you Central florida isn't like you have it up north.
Signed my kid up so he could learn things like I did. It was nothing but a day care, the parents dropped the kids off while they went out.

MIght be the troop. Ive seen some nice events for the BS out at Green Swamp West. They have a heck of a overnight facilty out there and the kids do ALOT!