Northeast - Sea Shepard?

Saw a curioius sight onmy into to work this morning. as I was driving through Swampscot at 4:30 I see a big RV parked on the side of the street by Fishermans beach. It had Sea Shepard plastered all over it? IIRC thats the enviromental wakos correct? Swampscots not exactly known as a hub of the fishing industry?

They are on tour with the Red Hot Chilli Peppers who were in Boston last night and in Maine today. And no, I'm not making this up:

http://my.seashepherd.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=203

They will be in CC bay this coming season to start the fight for Blue fin Tuna!!!

:grin:

They come rolling through the fleet messing with people's, guarantee someone gets hurt. This isn't the EU where they can do a tug-of-war with the purse seiners. Way more hot heads this side of the world, wouldn't surprise me if someone got a harpoon stuck in 'em for messing with gear

They will be in CC bay this coming season to start the fight for Blue fin Tuna!!!

:grin:

I hope you're not serious. those aholes are a well funded version of the occupiers- on the water

I hope you're not serious. those aholes are a well funded version of the occupiers- on the water

He's never serious!

I'm with catchitall-these pricks will be in the fleet and something bad will happen...

CMP

Damn hippies!

Yes, I'm serious!! They will be filming a new show to be aired next fall on the Discovery channel..... it will titled "Wicked Deadliest Sea Shepard Catch". The word on the street is, the host of Dirtiest Jobs will film one of his shows as working one of the boats along with a few survivors and the winner of 2012 American Idol!!

That will be the episode titled Dirtiest Jobs: Wicked Deadliest Sea Shepard Catch Amazing Race Survivor Idol

... and the Steelers will win the Superbowl.

... and the Steelers will win the Superbowl.


Most likley!! With a new beefed up Pro Bowl offensive line, who is going to beat em??

Not the Patriots. Their offense is terrible.

Watch out for the Seahawks

I'm praying for the new Sea Shephard Wreck fishing spot on the bank.

i'm praying for the new sea shephard wreck fishing spot on the bank.

lol!!

I'm praying for the new Sea Shephard Wreck fishing spot on the bank.

Yup. They'll be some good fishin over that wreck.

They are coming .......In fact they are here !
Spotted in New York Harbor.

Bunch of Tools....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS1YexdmDqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Their actions are those of pirates. I would highly doubt they would have the balls to mess in USCG patrolled waters. I would, however, have no problem firing on them if I were assaulted like those Jap whalers. I follow fishing regulations so am not legally in the wrong. If Sea Shepherd decided they didn't like my fishing ethics and rammed me, their bridge would be riddled with holes. And when I go to court I would hope I'd be protected under the law in federal waters...but who knows with this country anymore.

slip under there in some dive gear with some chain and let it go around the wheel and rudder.. no worries about them that day..

Stinking-ass vegetarians.

I'd love to see them harass some of the Wanchese fishermen I know. The could film that and sell it on Pay Per View.

how would they ever be able to locate Tricky Dave?

I had a few choice words with them today. They parked in front of my frickin' house.

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http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/fissues/seashepard006.jpg

[QUOTE=Ethan;4590458]I had a few choice words with them today. They parked in front of my frickin' house.

That sucks! That would piss me off for sure. I can't believe they are touring with the chilli peppers. I used to like a few of thier songs but I'll be sure boycott them now.

Ethan, you should hav cut thier fuggin tires...

CMP

Where do you live ethan. Stregth in numbers!!!

Ethan, you should hav cut thier fuggin tires...

CMP
yeah, and sugared the fuel tank

Tristan, they were spotted in Swampscott. It's certainly going to make for an interesting summer.

You should have thrown some butyric acid through their windows...

It would be a PR mistake for them to get after the Tuna fisherman in the Northeast. This is where their money comes from and furthermore we (USA) are the only country really trying to sustain fisheries.
I was in FL over the winter, fishing, but did you all see that video of that Italian boat with the hundreds of small sail fish in the nets? That's the shit/boat that needs to be harassed.

They are on a suicide mission if they start messing with US fisheries. People will defend their gear, I think they should have gotten the message when a greenpeace follower was harpooned in the Med for messing with a tuna boat.

I can see this being the scene in mass bay this summer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCb4TqjwWKQ

That is the same campaign where the guy got harpooned

Will this fit in a rod holder?

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I'm praying for the new Sea Shephard Wreck fishing spot on the bank.
And it will be declared off limits for fishing by mid season.

Ok, you guys won't like the below, but you should really think about this subject long and hard before spouting out crap about it.

I LOVE being controversial!! :grin:


They are coming .......In fact they are here !
Spotted in New York Harbor.

Seriously, is that a recent picture? And, is that the golf practice area netting behind it?

Their actions are those of pirates. I would highly doubt they would have the balls to mess in USCG patrolled waters. I would, however, have no problem firing on them if I were assaulted like those Jap whalers. I follow fishing regulations so am not legally in the wrong. If Sea Shepherd decided they didn't like my fishing ethics and rammed me, their bridge would be riddled with holes. And when I go to court I would hope I'd be protected under the law in federal waters...but who knows with this country anymore.

They would have no reason to "work" in USCG waters. Our waters are already over-zealously regulated and monitored (in the recreational case anyway). The Sea Shepherd have been targeting illegal fishing, not legal fishing. Sure, you MIGHT be able to say some of the fishing targeted was bordering "legal", example the Japs with their 1000 whales for "research purposes". But does anyone on the planet believe they are taking 1000 whales from the Antarctic for "research"?

In most cases, they are actually HELPING US fisherman, both recreational and commercial. That is because most of the problem with the fish stocks are NOT U.S. based, they are most of the rest of the world who are fishing un-monitored. Well, not anymore, the Shepard idiots are "kinda" monitoring them.

I find their tactics completely ridiculous. They are undermanned, underpowered, undersized, under-brained..... the dumbass stuff they try is just plain old STUPID. They need to hire some people that have 1/2 a brain, and use their money more affectively. Throwing prop foulers in the water behind 23' blowups ain't going to do it.

But I think their intentions are much better than most people actually think.

how would they ever be able to locate Tricky Dave?

:rofl:

I had a few choice words with them today. They parked in front of my frickin' house.


That's a riot!! Great pics of it too!!

yeah, and sugared the fuel tank

Won't work!! Mythbusters did a test of it, the sugar in most cases made the engine actually run better!!! They put something like 5 lbs of sugar into a small gas tank and it still didn't kill it. :grin:

Bird, they've consistently said all winter that they would be targeting tuna fishing in the Northeast. In a perverse way, I hope they do and one or more of them eat lead from someone who just says, Fuck you...

CMP

Bird, they've consistently said all winter that they would be targeting tuna fishing in the Northeast. In a perverse way, I hope they do and one or more of them eat lead from someone who just says, Fuck you...

CMP
Since I don't subscribe to their drivel I can only hope this is not the case. I would bet that they don't last a week if they do come up here. Im pretty sure the laws in state/federal waters are strictly enforced unlike international waters where no country gives a chit. I know you or I would be arrested and tried for harassment/assault if we pulled their antics.

Inside of 3 miles the States Sportsman Harassment law will come into effect. I'm pretty sure the Coast Guard would uphold the law in federal waters too.
The following pertains to both hunters and fishermen.

Anti-hunters who disrupt legal hunting and angling activities are breaking the law. It is hunter harassment and it is illegal in all fifty states.

Animal rights fanatics have been known to create disturbances to try to prevent sportsmen from enjoying a day in the field or on the water. They have followed hunters into the woods, honked car horns and played loud music near hunting areas and thrown rocks at fishing lines to disrupt sportsmen’s activities. One animal advocate, Steve Hindi, went so far as to fly a paraglider amid a flock of geese to disrupt a hunt.

How can people get away with these actions? They can’t. Every state has some form of hunter harassment law in place, which was designed to prevent anti-hunting activists from using protests to disrupt lawful hunting. These laws are modeled after draft legislation created by the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance in the 1980s. The people who committed the crimes previously mentioned have had to pay fines, do community service and even serve jail time.

Trying to get around the law
Anti-hunters abhor hunter harassment laws. The anti’s have challenged the laws in court numerous times in the last decade, claiming that they infringe on the first amendment right to free speech and assembly. Despite repeated challenges, the laws remain steadfast and sportsmen remain protected.

A recent challenge resulted in a 5-0 ruling by the Connecticut Supreme Court in May, again favoring sportsmen. It said that the law does not infringe on the rights to free speech and assembly because forests where hunting is allowed are not intended for public assembly and do not contain facilities for public interaction. Chief Justice William Sullivan said the anti-hunters have their speech restricted "only to the degree necessary to prevent interference with taking game."

What should you do?
What if this happened to you? Are you ready to come face to face with an anti-hunter while you’re in the field? Do you know how to handle yourself? Here are some important tips to remember:

* Report the incident to the authorities as soon as possible;
* Have an accurate description of the protestor, license plate number and vehicle identification;
* Remain calm and rational;
* Be prepared to file harassment charges;
* Remember that any law officer can enforce this law.

If you have additional questions about hunter harassment laws in your state, please contact the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance at (614) 888-4868 or [email protected]

Bird, they've consistently said all winter that they would be targeting tuna fishing in the Northeast. In a perverse way, I hope they do and one or more of them eat lead from someone who just says, Fuck you...

CMP

Gotcha... well if that is the case, they are screwed!! :grin:

How do you "hear" what they are saying? On their website or something?

Good stuff Tuna Melt, thanks!! Never herd of that before....

Since I don't subscribe to their drivel I can only hope this is not the case. I would bet that they don't last a week if they do come up here. Im pretty sure the laws in state/federal waters are strictly enforced unlike international waters where no country gives a chit. I know you or I would be arrested and tried for harassment/assault if we pulled their antics.


It would be interesting to see if that happened whether the USCG and US Attorney would do what they are legally required to do which is either they alone (because they lack the firepower to do it) or by dispatching the US Navy, stopping, siezing and citing a foreign flagged vessel (which all Sea Shephard boats are) for threatening a US flag vessel in US (up to 12 NM out) or international waters? or if the Obama Administration decides it would be too politcally unpopular to go after an illegally operating Sea Shephard?

What I never understood is theese guys use violence and attack ships and their crews. It throwing glass bottles, shooting rockets, prop fouling a ship not an out right attack? I mean hell If someone attacked me like that I would consider my life in danger.

What I never understood is theese guys use violence and attack ships and their crews. It throwing glass bottles, shooting rockets, prop fouling a ship not an out right attack? I mean hell If someone attacked me like that I would consider my life in danger.

The problem is, unless the flag state for the threatened ship steps in, which they can do militarily, the act goes unpunished as the flag state of Sea Shephard (New Zealand) will never enforce international law on its own.
On the whale boats, Japan's navy could stop it, but because politically whaling is a dicey issue even at home, they have chosen not to.
Sea Shephard is just like Somali pirates - they maye be dumb and lawless, but not stupid enough to take on even a third rate navy's ships. It wouldn't be very hard or take very long for even a Canadian frigate to sink the entire Sea Shephard fleet if those chose to do so.

I really hope they don't try to pull any of that shit here. I would hate to waste my bullets, flares, or darts. PS - nice shot by that guy in the med.

Won't work!! Mythbusters did a test of it, the sugar in most cases made the engine actually run better!!! They put something like 5 lbs of sugar into a small gas tank and it still didn't kill it. :grin:

Bleach, that's the killer!

They will be in CC bay this coming season to start the fight for Blue fin Tuna!!!

:grin:

I hope so; tuna are going extinct and someone has to look out for them. I doubt that it will do any good but something has to be done. No fish can stand up with a 10K bounty (at least) on each one....

I hope so; tuna are going extinct and someone has to look out for them. I doubt that it will do any good but something has to be done. No fish can stand up with a 10K bounty (at least) on each one....

If you hurry you might find a spot on their boat. You too can be a domestic terrorist!

if someone chooses to put there life on the line to protect species thats being illegally harvested , good for them and if your the one illegally harvesting those fish well reap what you sew. as far as these guys coming after the rod and reel comm fleet , I doubt it you aint doing nothing illegal . right?.

if someone chooses to put there life on the line to protect species thats being illegally harvested , good for them and if your the one illegally harvesting those fish well reap what you sew. as far as these guys coming after the rod and reel comm fleet , I doubt it you aint doing nothing illegal . right?.

It was legal to shoot passenger pigeons and American Buffalo and eskimo curlew...

Better move fast and cash in before they are all gone.

Their actions are those of pirates. I would highly doubt they would have the balls to mess in USCG patrolled waters. I would, however, have no problem firing on them if I were assaulted like those Jap whalers. I follow fishing regulations so am not legally in the wrong. If Sea Shepherd decided they didn't like my fishing ethics and rammed me, their bridge would be riddled with holes. And when I go to court I would hope I'd be protected under the law in federal waters...but who knows with this country anymore.

You'd be in jail.
After they hit you with a stink bomb :grin:

Pilot whales are not endangered and their harvest on the "Viking Shores" are perfectly legal. How do you greenie twats justify the Sea Mutts actions???

I hope so; tuna are going extinct and someone has to look out for them. I doubt that it will do any good but something has to be done. No fish can stand up with a 10K bounty (at least) on each one....

10k at least for each one :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Oh the young and uninformed. You silly silly little boy.

10k at least for each one :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Oh the young and uninformed. You silly silly little boy.

x2... A good laugh for sure.

The Sea shithead would not stand a chance on the SWC out east or anyother place in and around the cape and they know it. To many rec boats, to many CHB boats, and to many Comm boats. They would be Grossly outnumbered on any given day by well over 100 to 1. The sea shitheads are cowards that hide behind the lack of real law inforcment and only enguage when they can make themselves look good and twist the situation to look like they are in the right. The Tuna grounds in and around the cape have way to many eyes for the Sea shitheads to get away with thier BS.

This is building up to be like Waterworld or Braveheart.

I hope so; tuna are going extinct and someone has to look out for them. I doubt that it will do any good but something has to be done. No fish can stand up with a 10K bounty (at least) on each one....

10K at least a fish you say?:trout::bashhh:

Go take a ride around Gloucester, Green Harbor, or the Chatham fish pier and let me know how many commercial tuna fisherman you see driving Bentley's, Mercedes, and BMW's to and from their boats. And I guarantee you they don't drive home to mansions on the hill either. Nobody is getting rich from selling bluefin. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

I love these Sea Shepherd guys.

They are willing to put their life on the line and endure some serious consequences to fight for what they believe in.

I may not agree with all their beliefs or goals, but think its awesome they are not sheep sitting at home bitching. They are out there fighting.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6oeXk0UAo2Y/Tg5oltRjUkI/AAAAAAAAAR0/B9cHd4hi478/s1600/waterworld.jpg

I love these Sea Shepherd guys.

They are willing to put their life on the line and endure some serious consequences to fight for what they believe in.

I may not agree with all their beliefs or goals, but think its awesome they are not sheep sitting at home bitching. They are out there fighting.

:thumbsup:

I remember a few years back when the Rainbow Warrior, the Greenpeace boat came up the east coast and they went ashore chaining themselves to 500KV transformers at power plants. I would of loved to see them come online with those guys in the switchyard. Turn them into Green Pieces.

UPDATE: Paul Watson was arrested today in Germany on countless charges that could range all the way up to attempted murder and piracy :)

Yeah.

Wait really? Christmas came early

UPDATE: Paul Watson was arrested today in Germany on countless charges that could range all the way up to attempted murder and piracy :)

they will give him a warm shelter, some meals, a News conference, and a big check for the inconvienience beeing in jail for 24h....:roll not to mention political asylum and social benefits

Nothing in our Media yet :roll:(

they will give him a warm shelter, some meals, a News conference, and a big check for the inconvienience beeing in jail for 24h....:roll not to mention political asylum and social benefits

Nothing in our Media yet :roll:(

He is in prison awaiting extradition to Costa Rica, and the rumor is if he gets out of there, Japan is next on the extradition list for him. We can only hope that he ends up in some third-world prison where he can't be found

How can you actually be rooting for the corporate whalers?

How can you actually be rooting for the corporate whalers?

I don’t think anyone is rooting for the Whalers. However Watson and his Sea Shithead cronies are all vigilante criminals just like the people they choose to oppose. They are just breaking different laws.

He is in prison awaiting extradition to Costa Rica,

If our Judges find the Costa Rica prisions as too bad/ sub standart, (read no Flat screen for Mr Watson) :grin: or if he might face death sentence, they won´t send him over there!

I don’t think anyone is rooting for the Whalers. However Watson and his Sea Shithead cronies are all vigilante criminals just like the people they choose to oppose. They are just breaking different laws.

Well, I'm rooting for him. The world needs more pirates.

Here's the article. Apparently inmates in German jails are allowed to access their Twitter accounts.

http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120514/sea-shepherd-paul-watson-120514/20120514/?hub=WinnipegHome

FRANKFURT — The Canadian founder of an environmental activist group known for its confrontations with whalers and fishermen has been arrested in Germany for extradition to Costa Rica, where he is wanted for allegedly endangering a fishing boat in 2002, German prosecutors said Monday.

Paul Watson of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society was arrested Sunday at Frankfurt Airport on an international arrest warrant issued by Costa Rica, a spokesman for the local prosecutors' office said.

"He is alleged to have used a ship to intimidate another vessel and put its crew at risk in 2002," said the spokesman, Guenter Wittig.

Watson is currently in temporary custody and a judge will decide later whether to formally place him in detention pending extradition, Wittig said.

Sea Shepherd said Watson was filming a documentary at the time of the alleged incident.

It took place in Guatemalan waters, when the U.S.-based group said it encountered an illegal shark finning operation run by a Costa Rican ship, the Varadero.

Sea Shepherd said in a statement Sunday that it told the Varadero's crew to stop and head to port to be prosecuted. The crew accused Sea Shepherd of trying to kill them.

Watson tweeted late Sunday: "I am currently being held in Frankfurt on charges from Costa Rica. Court appearance in the morning." But there was no indication when that would take place.

The group was formed in 1977 and has had a controversial history.

It sends vessels to confront the Japanese fleet each year, trying to block them from firing harpoons at whales.

Its tactics have drawn praise from supporters and vehement attacks from critics.

According to Sea Shepherd, Watson is being assisted in jail by European Parliament vice-president Daniel Cohn Bendit and European deputy Jose Bove.

"Our hope is that these two honourable gentlemen can set Captain Watson free before this nonsense goes any further," Sea Shepherd said.

-- With files from The Canadian Press.

I don’t think anyone is rooting for the Whalers. However Watson and his Sea Shithead cronies are all vigilante criminals just like the people they choose to oppose. They are just breaking different laws.

So let me ask you this: What should they do INSTEAD of what they are doing to stop commercial whaling?

- Stand on a corner holding up a sign?
- Call the CG?
- Ask them politely tpo stop?
- ...... ?

So let me ask you this: What should they do INSTEAD of what they are doing to stop commercial whaling?

- Stand on a corner holding up a sign?
- Call the CG?
- Ask them politely tpo stop?
- ...... ?

Don’t really care how they do it as long as they are within the limits of the law. But first thing that should happen is to determine if in fact any LAWS are being broken. Or is it just their interpretation of the law or their idea of what the law should be being broken. Working a loophole in a law is not breaking the law.


Here is something to chew on.
Next time someone Thinks you are speeding perhaps they should toss a hand full of nails or a spike strip out in front of you to slow you down. How would that work for you.

Don’t really care how they do it as long as they are within the limits of the law. But first thing that should happen is to determine if in fact any LAWS are being broken. Or is it just their interpretation of the law or their idea of what the law should be being broken. Working a loophole in a law is not breaking the law.

So if you were in charge, we would still be called ENGLAND and paying 7% TAX to the Queen!!!! :rofl:


Here is something to chew on.
Next time someone Thinks you are speeding perhaps they should toss a hand full of nails or a spike strip out in front of you to slow you down. How would that work for you.

I'm fine with that, GREAT idea. I don't like speeders!!! :grin:

We've become WAY TOO soft in this country. The only people we protect anymore is the CRIMINAL.

I hear once Obama is gone he will be joining the Sea Shaperad.. They need another crew member that has no clue!

About time someone tossed him in Jail!!!

I hope his entire operation gets shut-down. I am all for conservation but not the way he does it.

Prison in Costa Rica couldn't be any worse than a prison in other parts of the world where people have no rights at all and food is a privilage. Maybe they will make him eat some cod stew!!!

Prison in Costa Rica couldn't be any worse than a prison in other parts of the world where people have no rights at all and food is a privilage. Maybe they will make him eat some cod stew!!!

I think a Costa Rican jail is much too plush for him. I was thinking the North Koreans probably have best run (from a brutality perspective) penal facilities since the closing of Ebenesee in May 1945.

So if you were in charge, we would still be called ENGLAND and paying 7% TAX to the Queen!!!! :rofl:



I'm fine with that, GREAT idea. I don't like speeders!!! :grin:

.

So if you were in charge blowing up big buildings in major cities killing thousands of inocent hard working people and distroying countless families would be OK as long as the people that did it thought it was the right thing to do based on what they believe in.

Interisting perspective.

And by the way read before you type. I said if someone thinks you were
speeding. Just because someone thinks it is happening does not mean it is.
Would kinda suck if you got a flat every day cuz some nutjob thinks he is a cop and it is his job to inforce his interpretation of the law. or better yet he gets to make up his own laws to suit his agenda.

So if you were in charge, we would still be called ENGLAND and paying 7% TAX to the Queen!!!! :rofl:



I'm fine with that, GREAT idea. I don't like speeders!!! :grin:

We've become WAY TOO soft in this country. The only people we protect anymore is the CRIMINAL.

I think rampages suck, give a poor ride and waste precious fuel. In fact, I hate all recreational sport boats because they are using a vital resource and pollute. Tomorrow you will arrive to a smoldering hull because I cut your fuel lines and lit our boat on fire. Many agree with my position. It is illegal, but the ends justify the means. Is this ok under your warped thought process?.?

I think rampages suck, give a poor ride and waste precious fuel. In fact, I hate all recreational sport boats because they are using a vital resource and pollute. Tomorrow you will arrive to a smoldering hull because I cut your fuel lines and lit our boat on fire. Many agree with my position. It is illegal, but the ends justify the means. Is this ok under your warped thought process?.?

Cut Birdman a break - we all know he faithfully abides by the two key mantras all Northeast liberals do - do as I say not as I do; and any means are justfied so long as I like the end result.

Doesn't one of Capt. Kangaroo's 2nd in command the guy that doesn't know how to read chart hail from Truro? You would think he would know better. But then again he doesn't look like the brightest bulb.

That pencil-neck geek lives in Truro? Damn, I might have to go down there and slap is face with an endangered dogfish..haha

It's either Truro or Eastham

Cut Birdman a break - we all know he faithfully abides by the two key mantras all Northeast liberals do - do as I say not as I do; and any means are justfied so long as I like the end result.


That There is Phlocking Phunny! :thumbsup::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::thumbsup:

I think it's crazy that the "I'm collecting ammo", tea-party revolutionaries are hitting the fainting couch over these guys confronting corporate whalers. Did a memo go out on fox news to oppose sea shepherd? Otherwise, Im having a hard time understanding why "small government" folks have all of a sudden gotten so soft.

As I said earlier, i think the world needs more people willing to put their ass on the line for what they believe in.

Even if i dont agree with all their goals or agenda, I'm certainly more supportive of them then their adversaries - foreign corporate law breakers hiding behind lawyers and corrupt politicians/governments.

As I said earlier, i think the world needs more people willing to put their ass on the line for what they believe in.

Even if i dont agree with all their goals or agenda, I'm certainly more supportive of them then their adversaries - foreign corporate law breakers hiding behind lawyers and corrupt politicians/governments.

Putting you ass on the line for something you believe in that is ILLEGAL just makes you a criminal; and no the world doesn't need more of them. Need proof: read about Hitler, Stalin, Castro Chavez, et al.

As for Sea Shephard - their adversaries are (at least for now) the Japanese whalers, who right or wrong, are harvesting whales for "research" according to the letter of the law - a law I wish to point out to you, your own government under Bill Clinton, signed off on. If they want to stop whaling (which by the way Native Alaskan's also do), they should work to change the law (International Whaling Treaty) - vigilante justice is never right irrespective of how righteous you think the cause is.

Putting you ass on the line for something you believe in that is ILLEGAL just makes you a criminal; and no the world doesn't need more of them. Need proof: read about Hitler, Stalin, Castro Chavez, et al.

As for Sea Shephard - their adversaries are (at least for now) the Japanese whalers, who right or wrong, are harvesting whales for "research" according to the letter of the law - a law I wish to point out to you, your own government under Bill Clinton, signed off on. If they want to stop whaling (which by the way Native Alaskan's also do), they should work to change the law (International Whaling Treaty) - vigilante justice is never right irrespective of how righteous you think the cause is.

Exactly..

Putting you ass on the line for something you believe in that is ILLEGAL just makes you a criminal; and no the world doesn't need more of them. Need proof: read about Hitler, Stalin, Castro Chavez, et al.

As for Sea Shephard - their adversaries are (at least for now) the Japanese whalers, who right or wrong, are harvesting whales for "research" according to the letter of the law - a law I wish to point out to you, your own government under Bill Clinton, signed off on. If they want to stop whaling (which by the way Native Alaskan's also do), they should work to change the law (International Whaling Treaty) - vigilante justice is never right irrespective of how righteous you think the cause is.

But that would make for a boring whale wars show!!!!!!!

I do however agree 100%

But that would make for a boring whale wars show!!!!!!!

I do however agree 100%


Maybe make a "Whale Whores" show with some Fat non bathing tree huggers.

So where are they now

I am with Rocket. LI you stupid or something. If they were doing it for research why do they need to sell the meat for big $$. Got to include Justin and the rest of you in this who think what they are doing is for research. They are killing whales for money not research. Then some of you fools buy into their Research statements. Remember there is no pill for stupid and it does not wear off.

This guy was breaking the law too. Probably went to jail for a long time. Sometimes a little social unrest and law-breaking is a good thing.

http://files.petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2012/05/tankman_mini.jpg

This guy was breaking the law too. Probably went to jail for a long time. Sometimes a little social unrest and law-breaking is a good thing.

http://files.petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2012/05/tankman_mini.jpg
no jail time at all. just got run over by the tank.

This guy was breaking the law too. Probably went to jail for a long time. Sometimes a little social unrest and law-breaking is a good thing.

http://files.petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2012/05/tankman_mini.jpg

"A little" and "somtimes" being the operative words in that statement.

How does this photo even remotely compare to what the seashitheads do?

Ask Green Peace what they think of Watson and his SeaShithead cronies..

I am with Rocket. LI you stupid or something. If they were doing it for research why do they need to sell the meat for big $$. Got to include Justin and the rest of you in this who think what they are doing is for research. They are killing whales for money not research. Then some of you fools buy into their Research statements. Remember there is no pill for stupid and it does not wear off.

They claim they are doing research, however I don't agree with the false 'RESEARCH' signs posted on their vessels. They are eating the whales and even dolphins.

I am 100% against the sea shepards methods, but that also doesn't mean I am in favor of the Japanese taking whales in the name of research and using the meat as a food source.

Do I agree they should find other forms of food, sure, but they are very smart and maybe they could figure out a way to farm whales for food purposes and leave the wild population alone!

I think it's crazy that the "I'm collecting ammo", tea-party revolutionaries are hitting the fainting couch over these guys confronting corporate whalers. Did a memo go out on fox news to oppose sea shepherd? Otherwise, Im having a hard time understanding why "small government" folks have all of a sudden gotten so soft.

As I said earlier, i think the world needs more people willing to put their ass on the line for what they believe in.

Even if i dont agree with all their goals or agenda, I'm certainly more supportive of them then their adversaries - foreign corporate law breakers hiding behind lawyers and corrupt politicians/governments.

I like your perspective, and agree, that I also think the world needs more people who are willing to take risks to do what they believe in. Where I think this group crosses the line though, is putting OTHER people's lives at risk.

I am with Rocket. LI you stupid or something. If they were doing it for research why do they need to sell the meat for big $$. Got to include Justin and the rest of you in this who think what they are doing is for research. They are killing whales for money not research. Then some of you fools buy into their Research statements. Remember there is no pill for stupid and it does not wear off.

You should look in the mirror and say the last sentence ten times per day.

Whether it's for research or not. It's not up to private groups to enforce the laws. Leave it up to the Govenments that signed the treaty to enforce it. If they don't then so be it. Go lobby to save the whales, but don't harrass fisherman and damage their boats and gear like a wigged out cult.

This guy was breaking the law too. Probably went to jail for a long time. Sometimes a little social unrest and law-breaking is a good thing.

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Actually, I believe he was executed. And, non-violent protesting, which is what this poor misqided fool was doing, is perefectly fine - that is not what Sea Shephard is doing.

I am with Rocket. LI you stupid or something. If they were doing it for research why do they need to sell the meat for big $$.

CB, you need to re-read all my posts on this. I don't agree with what the Japenes are doing, nor do I think it is for research. What I have said, is what they are doing is legal under the International Whaling Treaty the US signed under Bill Clinton, and that the correct approach is to get the treaty changed - which frankly shoudn't be very hard; not to engage in self appointed approved vigilante justice that Sea Shephard is doing.
Without adherence to laws, anarchy results - I am just anti-anarchy.

Actually, I believe he was executed. And, non-violent protesting, which is what this poor misqided fool was doing, is perefectly fine - that is not what Sea Shephard is doing.


Actually, there was no proof that he was ever killed just accusations, rumors are that person is still alive and the Chinese Gov knows who he is.

Anyone else feel it's a little ridiculous to be comparing one man who risked his OWN life to defend HUMAN rights, to a group that endangers the lives of others to protect animal rights?

Anyone else feel it's a little ridiculous to be comparing one man who risked his OWN life to defend HUMAN rights, to a group that endangers the lives of others to protect animal rights?



I think it is ridiculous! :thumbsup:

IMO, if a government is oppressive, then we as citizens are within our inalienable rights to protest against said government including violent protest (think American Revolution or Tiananmen Square). In the Sea Shepherd case, they are not harassing or protesting against a government. Instead, they are harassing fishermen and companies who are simply going to work every day trying to make a living. They have unilaterally decided that either international law is on their side (not true but they say that) or that international law is wrong and they harass fishermen. A better way of protest would be for them to protest against the governments and UN (the world government) and harass them. There's a big difference.

Sorry LI and Justin. I appreciate your position. I support the SeaShepards with money because I support their idea of what is right with regard to the Japanese whaling.

I like the pilot whale shows also. The TV show shows both sides. The guys who have eaten whales for centuries and the Sea Shepard's who want to stop it. While they have eaten them for centuries their methods and numbers they kill leave a lot to be desired.
I will turn against Sea Shepard when they go after some small Eskimo village for killing a couple of whales that stand between them and starvation.

The Sea Shepard's work on Bluefin tuna is great. No one needs to eat a giant bluefIn tuna for the next 20 years. Stop the giant (spawning stock) killing and they will come back very fast.

Sorry LI and Justin. I appreciate your position. I support the SeaShepards with money because I support their idea of what is right with regard to the Japanese whaling.

I like the pilot whale shows also. The TV show shows both sides. The guys who have eaten whales for centuries and the Sea Shepard's who want to stop it. While they have eaten them for centuries their methods and numbers they kill leave a lot to be desired.
I will turn against Sea Shepard when they go after some small Eskimo village for killing a couple of whales that stand between them and starvation.

The Sea Shepard's work on Bluefin tuna is great. No one needs to eat a giant bluefIn tuna for the next 20 years. Stop the giant (spawning stock) killing and they will come back very fast.


I am not sure sea shepards are going after the guys that fish up the giants, but go after the schoolies in mass. I just watched Tuna Wranglers (part 1 of 2) where they go into the southern ocean off the southern coast of australia. These guys were taking their quote of 240 metric tons, putting them in a fish pen, towing them close to land and fattening them up. They are basically taking the entire school in a net! Talk about making a BIG dent in the fish stock in a few hauls.

Sorry LI and Justin. I appreciate your position. I support the SeaShepards with money because I support their idea of what is right with regard to the Japanese whaling.

I like the pilot whale shows also. The TV show shows both sides. The guys who have eaten whales for centuries and the Sea Shepard's who want to stop it. While they have eaten them for centuries their methods and numbers they kill leave a lot to be desired.
I will turn against Sea Shepard when they go after some small Eskimo village for killing a couple of whales that stand between them and starvation.

The Sea Shepard's work on Bluefin tuna is great. No one needs to eat a giant bluefIn tuna for the next 20 years. Stop the giant (spawning stock) killing and they will come back very fast.

Pilot Whales are DOLPHINS and not whales at all.

It was legal to shoot passenger pigeons and American Buffalo and eskimo curlew...

Better move fast and cash in before they are all gone.

Oh my

I love these Sea Shepherd guys.

They are willing to put their life on the line and endure some serious consequences to fight for what they believe in.

I may not agree with all their beliefs or goals, but think its awesome they are not sheep sitting at home bitching. They are out there fighting.

:banghead:

Ironic name for their boat...Steve Irwin. I don't think he was in bed with those whackos before he passed.

What ever happened to the Bob Barker ?

Hey Bruno what's your point? They are all cetaceans.
You trying to talk out your blow hole?

CB, you need to re-read all my posts on this. I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing, nor do I think it is for research. What I have said, is what they are doing is legal under the International Whaling Treaty the US signed under Bill Clinton, and that the correct approach is to get the treaty changed - which frankly shouldn't be very hard; not to engage in self appointed approved vigilante justice that Sea Shephard is doing.
Without adherence to laws, anarchy results - I am just anti-anarchy.


LI, are you really SERIOUS??? You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about this subject. I suggest you do a little research before you comment further. A quick education, cause I'm getting on a flight and gotta run...

They (seashepard tree huggers) have tried (are are still trying) EVERY single possible legal angle to fight the Japs and there whaling. they have done it in something like 34 different countries, including the UN, filed international motions ..... bla bla bla bla bla...... When that doesn't work, you resort to other ways. And that is what they are doing.

According to your theory of "they should abide by the law and be friendly peaceful good fella's and picket with little signs in the street.....", WE WOULD STILL BE CALLED ENGLAND!!!!

COMMON MAN, get a grip on yourself.

Now that said, as I mentioned earlier, I don't know enough about the new "Viking" thing they are doing out there with the Pilot whales, so I'm not sure which side I'm on with that one. But the Japs or anyone else should NOT be whaling in Antarctica, PERIOD. And with that, as far as I'm concerned, if they nuked them for it, it would be justified until they stop.

If you ask me, the shepards are wasting there time with what they are doing (prop foulers....). If I were on that boat, and those boats in the Antarctic shot a whale in front of me, I'd sink there F'in boat. Problem solved.

LI, are you really SERIOUS??? You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about this subject. I suggest you do a little research before you comment further. A quick education, cause I'm getting on a flight and gotta run...

They (seashepard tree huggers) have tried (are are still trying) EVERY single possible legal angle to fight the Japs and there whaling. they have done it in something like 34 different countries, including the UN, filed international motions ..... bla bla bla bla bla...... When that doesn't work, you resort to other ways. And that is what they are doing.

According to your theory of "they should abide by the law and be friendly peaceful good fella's and picket with little signs in the street.....", WE WOULD STILL BE CALLED ENGLAND!!!!

COMMON MAN, get a grip on yourself.

Now that said, as I mentioned earlier, I don't know enough about the new "Viking" thing they are doing out there with the Pilot whales, so I'm not sure which side I'm on with that one. But the Japs or anyone else should NOT be whaling in Antarctica, PERIOD. And with that, as far as I'm concerned, if they nuked them for it, it would be justified until they stop.

If you ask me, the shepards are wasting there time with what they are doing (prop foulers....). If I were on that boat, and those boats in the Antarctic shot a whale in front of me, I'd sink there F'in boat. Problem solved.

But the whales would have to sacrifice some of their own by selling them to the Japs to come up with your bail money.

In the end...same result. Think it through man...

Jail time? Who cares? They are willing to die for the cause, don't think they care about jail time.

When/if the whales are gone, they are gone forever. Jail is a temp thing.

"The good of the many far outweighs the good of the few" Dr. Spoc

:grin:

This guy was breaking the law too. Probably went to jail for a long time. Sometimes a little social unrest and law-breaking is a good thing.

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I was gonna stay quiet, but.......

The guy in that photo was not tossing prop foulers at ships in the Southern Ocean, or in any other way endangering the lives of his "adversaries". While I may support the Sea Shepard's principles, I cannot and will support their methods. BTW I have not problem with them getting in RIBs and putting themselves between the harpoon and the whale. That would be more akin to what is happening in the photo.

Hey Bruno what's your point? They are all cetaceans.
You trying to talk out your blow hole?

No point, I was just watching a show about dolphins. But since you asked

Whale (origin Old English hwæl) is the common name for various marine mammals of the order Cetacea.[1] The term whale sometimes refers to all cetaceans, but more often it excludes dolphins and porpoises,[2] which belong to suborder Odontoceti (toothed whales). This suborder also includes the sperm whale, killer whale, pilot whale, and beluga whale. The other Cetacean suborder Mysticeti (baleen whales) are filter feeders that eat small organisms caught by straining seawater through a comblike structure found in the mouth called baleen. This suborder includes the blue whale, the humpback whale, the bowhead whale and the minke whale. All Cetacea have forelimbs modified as fins, a tail with horizontal flukes, and nasal openings (blowholes) on top of the head.

Whales range in size from the blue whale, the largest animal known ever to have existed[3] at 30 m (98 ft) and 180 tonnes (180 long tons; 200 short tons), to various pygmy species, such as the pygmy sperm whale at 3.5 m (11 ft).

Whales collectively inhabit all the world's oceans and number in the millions, with annual population growth rate estimates for various species ranging from 3% to 13%.[4] For centuries, whales have been hunted for meat and as a source of raw materials. By the middle of the 20th century, however, industrial whaling had left many species seriously endangered, leading to the end of whaling in all but a few countries.

ps I agree with your point of view on the subject. Although Watson gets on my nerves

LI, are you really SERIOUS??? You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about this subject. I suggest you do a little research before you comment further. A quick education, cause I'm getting on a flight and gotta run...

They (seashepard tree huggers) have tried (are are still trying) EVERY single possible legal angle to fight the Japs and there whaling.

Really? You do realize the only reason why they went to the Fallon Islands to stop Pilot Whale hunting is because they got sued in Seattle federal court for their terrorism by the Japanese whalers in the fall of 2011. Other than that, which was not a legal action they filed, they have done nothing either judicially or through proper governmental channels.

If you equate being young and stupid enough to putting your life on the line against the estalished rules of law because of a belief as being nothing more than some elders taking advantage of the impressionality of youth, then maybe you can explain the Jonestown Kool-Aid mass suicide too?
I don't want to hear about the colonists either - if Sea Shepherd wants to declare its independance and fight its battle under its own flag state - I would be fine with that; and if the Japanese navy blows them to smithereens defending its civilian flag state vessels in international waters that are threatened by hostile acts (which under international law it has every right to do), then all is fair in love and war.

I thought Insae that bone head at Sam Diego's once. Guess it was him