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lemanrb
04-10-2012, 08:28 AM
which is the driest? rides best? saves on fuel?


triumphrick
04-10-2012, 08:32 AM
Nephew and I just got into an '08 32 Yellowfin with a pair of F350's....

Great boat, nice dry ride and we have seen 1.7 mpg at cruise, 4100 and 42 mph

thumperlove
04-10-2012, 08:33 AM
5 pages...and no less than 6 other hull options will be given.

As to your question, the driest is the YF and Inv. Rides best depends on your taste and demands on a hull but I bet the YF is the best combo of speed and dry ride. Most efficient will be between the YF and Inv. Grady shouldnt even be mentioned in this thread as its a mono with no steps so it will be slower, less efficient and is way too heavy to compare to the other 2


bluewaterseeker
04-10-2012, 08:42 AM
5 pages...and no less than 6 other hull options will be given.

As to your question, the driest is the YF and Inv. Rides best depends on your taste and demands on a hull but I bet the YF is the best combo of speed and dry ride. Most efficient will be between the YF and Inv. Grady shouldnt even be mentioned in this thread as its a mono with no steps so it will be slower, less efficient and is way too heavy to compare to the other 2

^^^What he said!^^^ :thumbsup:

triplenet
04-10-2012, 08:44 AM
I am taking the "under" - 3 pages... We must be getting sick of these threads by now ??

triumphrick
04-10-2012, 08:47 AM
I am taking the "under" - 3 pages... We must be getting sick of these threads by now ??


Yep...search function is hardly ever used....and so much of this is just personal preference...

lemanrb
04-10-2012, 11:28 AM
5 pages...and no less than 6 other hull options will be given.

As to your question, the driest is the YF and Inv. Rides best depends on your taste and demands on a hull but I bet the YF is the best combo of speed and dry ride. Most efficient will be between the YF and Inv. Grady shouldnt even be mentioned in this thread as its a mono with no steps so it will be slower, less efficient and is way too heavy to compare to the other 2

i do not know how to get the other 5 pages?

Onewolf
04-10-2012, 11:44 AM
Comparing two apples and a kumquat.

TeamBalla
04-10-2012, 04:47 PM
I would definately run each boat. The Yellowfin is a great boat, but I would highly recomend sea-trailing it 1st. They tend to ride/run alittle different than most. But its fishability is excellent.

meii
04-10-2012, 05:56 PM
Seafox baby, nuff said.

TwentyFourSeven
04-10-2012, 06:00 PM
5 pages...and no less than 6 other hull options will be given.

As to your question, the driest is the YF and Inv. Rides best depends on your taste and demands on a hull but I bet the YF is the best combo of speed and dry ride. Most efficient will be between the YF and Inv. Grady shouldnt even be mentioned in this thread as its a mono with no steps so it will be slower, less efficient and is way too heavy to compare to the other 2


:thumbsup:

The INV is slightly faster but I think the YF gives up a little of its speed because for some reason it rides a little softer. They are both great boats, I would own either.

ronyon1
04-12-2012, 07:47 AM
Seafox baby, nuff said.

X2 on the Seafox!!!!!! Than you can take the money you save and buy more $5 per gallon gas!!!!

If you can afford a six figure boat with a 300+ gallon gas tank, do you really worry about fuel savings/cost?

jebsurf
04-12-2012, 08:10 AM
I'm saying bayliner.

thumperlove
04-12-2012, 08:30 AM
:thumbsup:

The INV is slightly faster but I think the YF gives up a little of its speed because for some reason it rides a little softer. They are both great boats, I would own either.

I am over faster...comes at a cost. :banghead:

lemanrb
04-12-2012, 10:37 AM
i have taking rides in the 36 yellowfin and a 36 invincible. i think the grady is a far better boat then either the sea fox or bayliner

JoeyM
04-12-2012, 11:28 AM
I am over faster...comes at a cost. :banghead:

any interesting story behind that?


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mwgoldman
04-12-2012, 11:32 AM
all 3 look tippy

SirFer
04-12-2012, 12:30 PM
any interesting story behind that?


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I don't know what thumperlove's story is, but I can say that I discovered firsthand how fast a blowout due to the stepped hull can rock your world 180 degrees yesterday.

Needless to say the friend that I was letting drive at the time lost his driving privileges forever and I won't be attempting to recreate the occurrence ever again.

Dempsey15
04-12-2012, 12:31 PM
I think I would buy a Center Console Bayliner.

bigfishhooker
04-12-2012, 12:33 PM
I don't know what thumperlove's story is, but I can say that I discovered firsthand how fast a blowout due to the stepped hull can rock your world 180 degrees yesterday.

Needless to say the friend that I was letting drive at the time lost his driving privileges forever and I won't be attempting to recreate the occurrence ever again.

Yellowfin makes fishing boats, not stunt boats!! ;)

ubettcha13
04-12-2012, 01:02 PM
I don't know what thumperlove's story is, but I can say that I discovered firsthand how fast a blowout due to the stepped hull can rock your world 180 degrees yesterday.

Needless to say the friend that I was letting drive at the time lost his driving privileges forever and I won't be attempting to recreate the occurrence ever again.
Sort of like flicking a booger of your finger ait it:grin:.

thumperlove
04-12-2012, 01:37 PM
I don't know what thumperlove's story is, but I can say that I discovered firsthand how fast a blowout due to the stepped hull can rock your world 180 degrees yesterday.

Needless to say the friend that I was letting drive at the time lost his driving privileges forever and I won't be attempting to recreate the occurrence ever again.


Lesson learned, no one hurt, you got lucky. This sh*t can get serious quick.

JoeyM...Invincible builds a good hull. Like all builders Alex has his ideas of how to build boats. I like the 36 Invincible. It likes to fly a bit. Is any boat perfect, no. That could be stepped hulls in general at 35+ in 3 foot seas. Yes we use tabs, and trim it right. We run 350 miles in summer day trips. In 2s it eats it. So will a YF, NT, Foutain, SV. In 3s for 100 miles my body hurts for days. The fact we run so far in open in some moderate seas makes me think we might be better in a big V like a 39 See Vee or Bahama. I want to find a cruise near 50 at 1.2ish in a 38ish hull. Time will tell.:thumbsup:

MakoMyDay
04-12-2012, 01:49 PM
I don't know what thumperlove's story is, but I can say that I discovered firsthand how fast a blowout due to the stepped hull can rock your world 180 degrees yesterday.

Needless to say the friend that I was letting drive at the time lost his driving privileges forever and I won't be attempting to recreate the occurrence ever again.



What happened?;?

SirFer
04-12-2012, 01:56 PM
What happened?;?

I'm copy/pasting this from a PM I just sent in response to the same question. Not necessarily a stepped hull blowout which I consider something that can happen in flat calm water by taking a turn too fast with the wrong trim. This was more of a launch at a wrong angle.

"As far as the blowout, don't let it scare you. Yesterday just happened to be a perfect storm of conditions and a hefty amount of operator error that caused it. I was letting my friend drive in the pass and it's a pretty narrow channel with a sharp turn that isn't marked at all with shallow sandbars on either side. There was some chop in the water that was getting steep and stacked up on the sandbars and we also had a boat coming across the bow that had no idea where he was going/what he was doing. There was also a Customs/Border Patrol boat hot on our tail (not chasing us, just coming in at the same time). My friend who was driving got frustrated at the boat in front of us getting in the way and I'm sure he was also trying to show off a little for the Border Patrol guys, so as we're approaching the turn he trims the engines up and puts the throttles down. Before I could even say anything or push him out of the way he throws it into the turn just as a wave and the other boats wake meet each other creating a double-up. We pretty much slid sideways off of it and completely lost all traction, the motors blew out and we did a 180 in about a boat length and a half. Luckily I saw it coming and grabbed both grab handles at the last second, otherwise I would've been thrown out. My friend was barely holding on and it took him a second to recover and get the throttles pulled back.

Border Patrol stopped us after that, probably wondering why the two idiots in the 32' Yellowfin were trying to kill themselves.. My friend won't be driving again anytime soon, especially because afterwards he blamed the hull design, not his driving. But it really came down to operator error and hitting that double up at just the wrong time and wrong angle. I've thrown the boat into pretty hard turns at 45mph before without any issue and will continue to do so in the future in the right conditions. Yesterday was just a matter of overdriving the conditions which doesn't happen when I drive. :thumbsup:"

MakoMyDay
04-12-2012, 02:16 PM
damn. glad y'all are safe. You just knew you were getting pulled over when that happened :) sounds like my luck.

Lazy Bones
04-12-2012, 02:23 PM
thumper - NFW will you see a 50mph cruise at 1.2 in a 41 Bahama or 39 Sea Vee.

SEATOAD
04-12-2012, 02:29 PM
Hmmm....split the difference with a 32 Condender LS?

slickcav
04-12-2012, 02:32 PM
dude. FREEMAN! beats invincible's all day

thumperlove
04-12-2012, 02:33 PM
thumper - NFW will you see a 50mph cruise at 1.2 in a 41 Bahama or 39 Sea Vee.

Let's wait and see what happens with Seven Marine. Current Merc/Yamaha packages you are 100% correct.

TwentyFourSeven
04-12-2012, 05:13 PM
Over 1000 hours on my motors and I have never had a blow out. I have done some pretty good turns trimmed up also. Must have really turned hard when you hit that boat wake.

grouperkng
04-12-2012, 05:16 PM
Seafox baby, nuff said.
Na I like a mid 80's bayliner with an upgraded force 125 slinging a 22 in wheel. Lots of holeshot power

SirFer
04-12-2012, 05:23 PM
Over 1000 hours on my motors and I have never had a blow out. I have done some pretty good turns trimmed up also. Must have really turned hard when you hit that boat wake.

It appeared he was shooting for about an 80 degree turn. Even in flat water the way he threw it over probably wouldn't have ended well, the wave conditions just compounded the effect. The other 100 degrees got added pretty quick.

TwentyFourSeven
04-12-2012, 05:29 PM
Glad you are ok. Must have looked like a giant jet ski.

Rod27
04-12-2012, 05:30 PM
the YF is softer and slower cuz the bow rides so low and it has balsa. You can probably easily spear a wave. Not so much in an Invincible. Even at full tab and trim the bow of a 36 Inv doesnt get as low as a YF. In real 3's you have to throttle and trim and tab, but sometimes a wave catches you no matter what.

TwentyFourSeven
04-12-2012, 05:33 PM
You can try spear waves all you want in the YF but you have to try very very hard to get one to hit the windshield. Spearing waves on the YF was never a problem. Boat never bow steered either, was a bad ass ride.

billinstuart
04-12-2012, 05:46 PM
After seeing that silly Texas cop boat at Miami, I have relegated Yellowfins to the floating joke category.

blackdawg
04-12-2012, 06:39 PM
After seeing that silly Texas cop boat at Miami, I have relegated Yellowfins to the floating joke category.

;?

TwentyFourSeven
04-13-2012, 06:11 AM
After seeing that silly Texas cop boat at Miami, I have relegated Yellowfins to the floating joke category.

There's one in every crowd. :roll

TooReel
04-13-2012, 06:13 AM
Don't think it is limited to step hulls. I blew out mine going 25 mph in the channel. Luckily my wife bounced back in the boat instead of being ejected but her arm was one big bruise from hitting the gunnel. Now my engine kill is hooked to me at all times when the boat is running.

I don't know what thumperlove's story is, but I can say that I discovered firsthand how fast a blowout due to the stepped hull can rock your world 180 degrees yesterday.

Needless to say the friend that I was letting drive at the time lost his driving privileges forever and I won't be attempting to recreate the occurrence ever again.

TwentyFourSeven
04-13-2012, 06:13 AM
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TwentyFourSeven
04-13-2012, 06:15 AM
Don't think it is limited to step hulls. I blew out mine going 25 mph in the channel. Luckily my wife bounced back in the boat instead of being ejected but her arm was one big bruise from hitting the gunnel. Now my engine kill is hooked to me at all times when the boat is running.


Correct, any boat can blow out just like a jet ski.

thumperlove
04-13-2012, 06:17 AM
If Wylie does a 39' gun boat we might be interested...It might keep people from stealing our spots and next time we are in the Bahamas that Jet Skiier/Bahamian local wont get so close and scare the crap out of me!

JoeyM
04-13-2012, 06:21 AM
JoeyM...Invincible builds a good hull. Like all builders Alex has his ideas of how to build boats. I like the 36 Invincible. It likes to fly a bit. Is any boat perfect, no. That could be stepped hulls in general at 35+ in 3 foot seas. Yes we use tabs, and trim it right. We run 350 miles in summer day trips. In 2s it eats it. So will a YF, NT, Foutain, SV. In 3s for 100 miles my body hurts for days. The fact we run so far in open in some moderate seas makes me think we might be better in a big V like a 39 See Vee or Bahama. I want to find a cruise near 50 at 1.2ish in a 38ish hull. Time will tell.:thumbsup:

I understand the soreness following a long trip. But the mind is amazing as pain is forgotten and glory lives forever.

Perhaps a fast Freeman cat is the answer?


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TwentyFourSeven
04-13-2012, 07:03 AM
Regardless of what boat I have run over the years, I dont do those 100+ mile runs unless the wind forcast is 5-10 kts or less with seas 2-3' or less. Any rougher and I either dont go or just fish closer. Those 100+ miles runs are no fun when its rough, I dont care what boat your in.

thumperlove
04-13-2012, 07:21 AM
Regardless of what boat I have run over the years, I dont do those 100+ mile runs unless the wind forcast is 5-10 kts or less with seas 2-3' or less. Any rougher and I either dont go or just fish closer. Those 100+ miles runs are no fun when its rough, I dont care what boat your in.

Issue is the fish tend to bite better with more drift and a little pressure fluxuation. I want to be able to fish the fort in 20 knot winds, and I want to be able to run deep when there is a moderate chop. Still, flat water doesnt always equal ideal fish feeding or water movement.

TwentyFourSeven
04-13-2012, 08:09 AM
We fish 450' and in 20 kt winds its very difficult. We like it flat calm with little to no current and thats when we kill the fish.

thumperlove
04-13-2012, 09:53 AM
Huh...no current? This summer we are going to try and get that deep. We are Mostly 200-350. Done deeper but not much in Gulf. I love a 1-2 knot on the drift.

tbgame32
04-13-2012, 12:48 PM
Regardless of what boat I have run over the years, I dont do those 100+ mile runs unless the wind forcast is 5-10 kts or less with seas 2-3' or less. Any rougher and I either dont go or just fish closer. Those 100+ miles runs are no fun when its rough, I dont care what boat your in.


Agreed :thumbsup:

Rod27
04-13-2012, 07:07 PM
You can try spear waves all you want in the YF but you have to try very very hard to get one to hit the windshield. Spearing waves on the YF was never a problem. Boat never bow steered either, was a bad ass ride.



What do u mean "was"? Sold it?

TwentyFourSeven
04-14-2012, 09:31 AM
What do u mean "was"? Sold it?


Yeah sort of. Someone is leasing for 5 months with a buy option if I dont take it back.

oldbrowndog
04-14-2012, 08:24 PM
the YF is softer and slower cuz the bow rides so low and it has balsa. You can probably easily spear a wave. Not so much in an Invincible. Even at full tab and trim the bow of a 36 Inv doesnt get as low as a YF. In real 3's you have to throttle and trim and tab, but sometimes a wave catches you no matter what.

Interesting. on my sea trials I found the INV to be flatter than the YF. I think all stepped hulls ride flat and that adds to their efficiency as the fulcrum point is changed and need less tab . I think what holds the YF back from speed and makes it a tad slower is that it's steps are small and it doesn't have a full pad (or tunnel in case of INV) at the rear but modified - there is still a little "v" in the pad whereas other hulls pads have 8-10" of flat surface that they run on at speed and they reach top speed when they get up on the pad. Even a lot of deep v's have a similar pad (Jupiter, SeaHunter and SeaVee) but not sure of Grady and don't think the brands mentioned are designed to target the same buyers.

Croakerfisher68
04-18-2012, 04:20 AM
It appeared he was shooting for about an 80 degree turn. Even in flat water the way he threw it over probably wouldn't have ended well, the wave conditions just compounded the effect. The other 100 degrees got added pretty quick.

sounds to me you actually just got the a$$ end airborne, effectively jumping the wave with the transom. Momentum carried you around. Upon hitting the wave with the motors at such a sharp angle the motors actually helped propel you in the air. Path of least resistance was up. In actuality, itís a good or lucky hull design because it didnít roll upon reentry from an angle it wasnít designed to run. I bet it stopped in a hurry though. :thumbsup:

Rod27
04-18-2012, 07:45 AM
Interesting. on my sea trials I found the INV to be flatter than the YF. I think all stepped hulls ride flat and that adds to their efficiency as the fulcrum point is changed and need less tab . I think what holds the YF back from speed and makes it a tad slower is that it's steps are small and it doesn't have a full pad (or tunnel in case of INV) at the rear but modified - there is still a little "v" in the pad whereas other hulls pads have 8-10" of flat surface that they run on at speed and they reach top speed when they get up on the pad. Even a lot of deep v's have a similar pad (Jupiter, SeaHunter and SeaVee) but not sure of Grady and don't think the brands mentioned are designed to target the same buyers.

I tend to run a bit slower......when i give it more throttle the bow will go down. Then i have to "drive".

bluewaterseeker
04-18-2012, 08:40 AM
It appeared he was shooting for about an 80 degree turn. Even in flat water the way he threw it over probably wouldn't have ended well, the wave conditions just compounded the effect. The other 100 degrees got added pretty quick.

I did something similar in my non stepped Cape Horn.

We were quartering some 2-3 foot waves at about 30mph. Without thinking I changed the course on my autopilot about 30 degrees to port. The motors turned hard and we launched off of a wave sideways. The ass end of the boat came around sideways in mid air and we landed almost sideways.

It scared the shit out of me because my son was nearly thrown out. :o

I can promise you that I learned a valuable lesson that day.

The point is that all boats are dangerous if not treated with respect. :thumbsup:



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