The Boating Forum - topaz 32 vs. henriques 35
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02-21-2005, 02:11 PM
I am looking to replace my phoenix 33 - 1988, repowered 3 years ago with C370TBA & 8K Onan. Was at Miamib boat show and overwhelmed in 3 days. The Topaz and henriques lokk as best buys in rugged offshore under 35 feet. Any comments, experience or ideas?
Hi Frederich, I've got a 2004*Topaz 32. With its 25150lbs dry weight it is the heaviest boat in her category (9 layers of multiaxial mats without such wood coring), great hardware and general quality and*fit*&*finish. great hull (70° at*bow and 18.5° at transom),*supersoft and dry (the boat comes without wipers..), since I have it I've never been*having such problems in rough seas. You've to test it on rough sea to prove the safety of this boat**http://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif*http://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif
02-21-2005, 03:02 PM
I have a 2004 32 topaz with 450hp cats in her. She cruises at 32 with no problem at 2450rpm.Cat tells me she should be cruised at 2400-2600. at 2550 i am at 34 knots burning about 36 gallons an hour. Plus she has a great ride. when we do hit a larger wave she comes down as soft as a feather and is a great boat and is made for the offshore enviorment. the builders are top notch people and a joy to deal with. We have been is some preaty sloopy seas and still get home in comfort and never have ever doubted her abilties. She is a great setup for her size and her weight is a definit advantage. She weighs 25000 pounds plus when fully loaded for the canyons. Before I purchased my topaz I did alot of comparing between the 32 topaz, 35 and 38 henriques, 36 jersey cape, 38 outisland and the 31 and 35 cabos. Rode and looked at each one real close and after all was said and done we chose the topaz. IF you have any question email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
02-21-2005, 05:33 PM
The best boat I sea trialed at the show was the Out Island 38 express. It was hands down the best ride. The other boat in your size that rode very well was the Albemarle 32.
02-21-2005, 05:58 PM
The outisland does have a great ride, But the fit and finish still have a long ways to go. The main problem I have found with them is a Major fuel leakage problem. Almost every boat has had it and it has been so bad on some that they have had to rip the deck off and replace the fuel tanks. I think they will be a great boat company as they work the bugs out of the building process.
02-21-2005, 07:19 PM
You can throw the 32 Carolina classic into the mix also. It's in the same class as the topaz at 24-25000 lbs dry weight. I chose the CC because I did not loke the windshield height on the topaz and I liked the look a little better.
02-22-2005, 12:53 AM
From what I've heard that 35 Henriques is pretty good boat. :grin:
1) Make a list of what you are looking for in the vessel
2) How the boat will be used
3) Test ride em' on the same day
4) Crawl all over, under them and look in every nook and cranny
5) Visit the Manufacturing plants. Make a list and ask the same questions.
02-22-2005, 07:16 AM
Henriques boats are very ruggedly built. Jack builds his boats like tanks. While I am a fan of the line I should tell you that the 35' hull is more of a semi-planing hull and when powered with high HP twins had the tendancy to keel rock a bit. They are quality boats however and have a strong local following. The 38' on the other hand rides nothing like the 35' as it is a completely different hull. I actually like the ride of the 38' better than that of the 44'.
With all of that said, some of the other boats mentioned may produce a better ride but as well as they are built, I think Henriques boats may best them out when you compare pound for pound, bolt for bolt, etcetera, even if they give up alittle bit in ride againnst some of the Carolina hull designs.
02-22-2005, 09:07 AM
We usually overnight at some 40 miles out in the Caribbean, so another consideration besides the sea worthiness of the boat is creature comforts for 4. This implies generator and a/a, water and fuel consumtion for those long summer nights, as well as the ability to cook something warm. We usually do white and blue marlin in summer and tuna in autum. Price/qulity consideration is also a factor. I visited Henriques in New jersey and was impressed but not their finishings which looked a bit rough: looked at Carolina but found the cabin a bit small and was not impressed with the finishing details and the hull construction. I found cabin size on the Albemarle is also a bit tight for her size. Any other considerations or recommendations? Thanks to all for your input.
02-22-2005, 09:45 AM
FYI, Albemarle is in the process of adding a 36 to the lineup. You might also want to ask the dealer/factory about it.
I have been on the Henriq 35', and was very impressed. I have been out on it in a variety of conditions from calm to very rough (running,drifting, anchor, and trolling), and was very impressed. The boat has a great cockpit, rides very well, and I liked the helm and cabin layouts very much. If I was in the market for this type of boat, it would definitiely be on my short list.
I can't offer any meaningful comparison to the Topaz/boats mentioned, except for the Albe 32 that I was on at the AC show. I liked it alot....but whats not to like standing at a boatshow on a shiny $275K boat? Fit, finish, and layout were great.
On the Topaz boats all cabinets, panels, floors*and bulkeads are*fiberglassed*to the hullsides, deck and hull, so that all the sistem is like a single piece. High gloss gelcoat:*they're really finelooking gunwales, so brighten You've to*hold a pair of*glasses http://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/cool.gifhttp://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/cool.gifhttp://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/cool.gif. Custom*B&D type (I think..)*rodholders with drain, etc... I usually go fishing at albacores with a friend who has*a Albe 310 Ex, it is a very good boat,*speedy and finelooking,*but in strong seas I can go at 2150/2200rpm for 25.5kn cruise, and he have to go at 2350/2400 and fully pulled down trim tabs, also it's wet and I can go well with pretty raised bow. This is a (), because we're speaking about the better sportfisherman in their category, so often the difference are purely given by personal preferences. THEY'RE ALL GREAT BOATS!
02-22-2005, 05:18 PM
The 36 Albemarle won't be introduced until the 2006 Miami Boat Show.
02-22-2005, 08:45 PM
Jack doesn't build boats anymore. He retired. The new 35Hen does NOT have the older Maine Coater hull. The new 35Hen is more like the 38Hen. The only other thing I can say is when I step on a 35Hen's gunnel she rocks. When I set on my 35Bertram's gunnel she does not rock. I don't know which one has more V; but the newer 35Hens are much better sea boats the the older design.
02-23-2005, 01:52 PM
I knew CB would plug his 35 Bertram......
02-23-2005, 05:11 PM
Hey if you got it flaunt it. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
02-23-2005, 07:04 PM
Jack Henriques was working at the plant, when my 38 was being built last year. He handled the constructional part, but his son in law took over the business end.
As far as the Henriques, Topaz debate. Both are good boats, with good reputations. It is going to come down to your choice and preferences. Test ride them both in bad seas. Henriques is a rugged offshore boat, Its built like a tank. It has everthing a hardcore fisherman will need. The cockpit is probably larger than the Topaz. The Henriques is longer, wider, heavier, holds more water, but less fuel. Henriques customer service is excelent. They go out of their way to satisfy customers. Once you buy a Henriques it is like you are part of the family.
02-23-2005, 10:36 PM
actually the topaz weighs 4,000 pounds more dry then the henriques. plus I have a 65 gallon water tank in her, so that is the same. I do hold more fuel , but those yanmars sip fuel. she is a little wider than the topaz and does have a larger cockpit. It all does come down to personal prefrence on boats. I test rode both boats and they are both well built and handle the seas great. They are very simlar in many ways and does some down to the buyer.
Consider that the Topaz is a*32'8" hull, the Henriques is 35'4", and 8" larger. So the Topaz has a specific weight much higher*than the Henriques. Also the Topaz hull comes with a*70° bow and 18.5° transom, differently by jersey hulls those have relatively flat deadrises. In theory a wider angle hull goes great on long waves but becomes strong on high and short waves, because it cannot cut so well as a very deep hull. These are theorical thoughts because I never tested a Henriques. I can only notice that on rough short and high seas like the Adriatic is, the Topaz*makes a great work, also it planes yet at 9.8 knots, so You can ride*virtually in all sea conditions.
02-24-2005, 07:07 AM
I am getting my stats right off both sites.
Topaz: Weight- 20,500 pounds, LOA- 32'8", Water- 40 gallons, Beam 12'2".
Henriques: Weight- 21,000 pounds, Water-65 gallons, Beam-13' LOA- 38'3"
Ok You'll notice that the Henr. is about 6 feet longer: so compare the weights... Consider also this other data: FUEL: Topaz=400gal; Henr.=360gal.ben
02-24-2005, 09:32 AM
Look Jack H. is going to be in that plant when he takes his last breath. I was just trying to set the record straight about 35H's hulls. The new 35H is nothing like the old 35H. All positive. Hens are great boats. In fact I like them better than the smaller Bertrams. The Bertrams sure are plush on the inside though; since the Italians took them over.
02-24-2005, 01:06 PM
Due to the difference in weights vs. LOA of each boat, does anyone know if there are specific construction techniques that I should be aware of. Also how about fuel consumtion with the same set of engines?
Do they have the availabilty of insatlling a freezer in one of the compartments (not the fish boxes)? On this matter both sales reps at the Miami boat show ere vague, but promising.
I understand they both come with dripless tunnels.
Two things I noticed while on a Topaz 32. This was two years ago so some things may have been changed.
1) The windshield was at an awful height so that it was directly in your line of sight while standing.
2) It did not have a cooler. A 32' boat that requires you to bring your own cooler for beer????????
I used to have a 31 Cabo and have traded up to a 40 Cabo. I obviously like the brand. However, the 31 was a wet ride and quite slow. The 40 is awesome. You may want to look at the new 32 Cabo, a complete new hull similar to the 40.
Hi DonQ, maybe You've no read well on the factory options.. The Topaz cames standard with an*ice box on portside and as an option You can order a cockpit icemaker installed below one of the helmseats, and also freezer plates You can decide to install in each of the cockpit boxes, these also fully insulated.ben
Hi Frederich, the Topaz is so heavy because the hull is entirely of*solid fiberglass, with 9 layers (! !)*of multiaxial mats, not like many builders, those make solid*fiberglass hull only below the waterline, and above it use balsacore construction. About fuel burn: at 2400rpm*the fuel burn is around 21-23gal/h total. Consider that my boat doesn't have a tuna tower, but only an half tower. About the freezer, pls read the previous answer. bye!ben
02-24-2005, 05:26 PM
i was at the weigh station when one with twin 450 cats inside of her was weighed up on it way to the javits show in new york earlier this year at a state weigh station. the scale read when the weight of the trailor and cab was subtracted was 23651 pounds and that was dry. no fuel or water and only a hardtop. They posted those specs almost 4 years ago and have mad many chages that have added weight to her. Add fuel and water and a tower, plus gear and you are well over 25000 pounds. plus she come standard with an insulated drink box on the port side, with the optional cockpit freezer to hold drink/baits and it will hold a couple of flats of butters.
Ben, You've obviously got one of these boats, so I believe you. Is it possible that on a boat 2-3 years ago they opted for an additional live well instead of a cooler? I could have sworn that they had no cooler.
02-24-2005, 05:32 PM
call bill bells at stone harbor marina and he will give you the whole jist of the topaz. The 32 cabo is nice, but not a proven boat yet as the first ones are only coming out of the factory now. The topaz hull is time proven in the northeast canyons, which if you offshore fish, kow is some of the most punishing type of fishing any boat will ever see. long runs over great distances in all types of seas. The windsheild is really not at all a factor, but this will change for every person being a diffrent hight. I am 5'7 and have no problem, my father is 5'9 and many of my friends ar over 6ft and they have no problem at all either weh the boat is running.
02-24-2005, 05:34 PM
sorry one more thing, at 2450 rpm doing a true 32 knots i burn 36 gallons per hour. at 2600 it is only 3 gallons more. at wot she burning 44 gallons an hour.
02-24-2005, 06:44 PM
To sum it up both are proven canyon runners, that are extremely well built. It is going to come down to your preference. Test ride them look through each boat extensively, then make your decision. Either way you will not regret either of these choices.
02-24-2005, 08:46 PM
Is that your boat? Any more photos available?
How much extra for the nice colocr?
One thing to consider, especially since you mentioned creature comforts for 4 on overnight trips, is that there's a significant difference in space on a 35' long, 13' wide boat as compared to a 32' long, 12' wide one. Last year I moved from a 32 to a 38 (both Blackfins) and the 38 feels like twice as much boat. My jump was 6' in length and 2+ in beam, so figure from the Topaz to the Henriques is half that difference. While part of the reason my boat feels much bigger is I went from express to flybridge, the extra cockpit size and extra beam makes a big difference when offshore fishing with a few guys or spending the night on the boat. I haven't been out on either of the 2 boats you are looking at, but seeing them at the boat shows I would lean towards the Henriques in terms of layout, and they are well built boats with a very good reputation. Whether the Topaz weighs slightly more or not, you don't have to worry about a Henriques holding up. I fish on one (28') going on it's 5th season now and it still looks brand new. Coming out of a 32 myself with very similar proportions to the Topaz, I would have considered the 35 Henriques as a jump up in size.
I've not said right... excuse me! I often confuse port with starboard.. To explaining better, the livewell is at the right hand looking the boat from transom, and the drink box is on the opposite module on the cockpit. I'm Italian so sometimes I've such doubts on words http://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif
DonQ, with custom boats all would be possible, because they build it according to the customer specs. For example, my dinette in cabin has the backrest that folds up to obtain a pullman bed.
I've got a photo in which a Topaz 32 is going against a series of 22' waves, coming back from*an Atlantic City BoatShow. Very impressive.......
02-25-2005, 12:23 PM
Did you look at the Rampage 33?
02-25-2005, 04:26 PM
Yes I looked at Rampagae, as well as Carolina Classic and Albemarle.
I visited Integrity Marine in a trip to New York last year and did not like thier convertibles due to the entry in the engine rooms from within the cabin, eventhough I am well enough impressed to consider the express.
I am selling to Phoenix (the best of the 3 boats I have had) and going back to express (my first bigger boat was a Tiara 31) beacuse of ease to operate with my sons, and a better relation between cost/ usage/efficency.
I still find comparable Topaz?Henriques, within the 2000-2004 range, that the henriques is about 100K more expensive, and am trying to decide if it merits the extra effort the fianaces impose.
Hi Frederich, Henriques 35 and Topaz 32 are almost equally priced, consider that a Topaz 32 w/ twin*electronic 450 Cats and a HardTop quotes around 360.000USD,*fully equipped for fishing and cruising (it has almost all as standard features....), so The problem reduces to compare the quality of the two boats.*I think the Hens to*have more spaciuos cabin, but*You can order Your Topaz with Your exact indications*about interior layouts, in way to have*a larger dinette, or to have one or two*extra*pullman bunk beds. If You want to*spend*less money*You've to choice power options*between 350 and 420hp each.... but the boat is heavy.......
I am not a Topaz dealer,*but I'm enthusiast to help You in this choice, only*because*I'm completely satisfied about this boat. http://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/thumbsup.gif
03-01-2005, 05:15 PM
i was reading your reply and i am doing a similar comparison...b/t the 32 topaz and the 35 henriques....i was looking at the 35-38 ft market but was very impressed with the topaz. what convinced you to choose the one over the other?
Hi Okaj, I've already written that*I don't know Henriques boats, so I can give You only impressions about the Topaz.
I've bought the boat on the brochure.... because the mine is the only Topaz 32 in Europe. I had*faith in many suggestions and impressions by the US owners of the boat, also I was loved with the brochure http://www.thehulltruth.com/images/emoticons/razz.gif*and the building sistems, in fact when the boat arrived I was incredulous to think that it was my boat.
Now*still I remove the fish boxes to see often the boat's structure, it's so heavy and beautyful, all awlgripped.... another world. You should look at the cockpit gunwales gelcoat and at the rod holders, nothing that you can find on other brands, she really looks like a HAND-MADE custom boat, you can perceive it by the meticolous fiberglass works.
ps: if you want, can email me
03-02-2005, 08:08 AM
I am a big fan of the Topaz line- we owned the very first of of the 36 series & currently own a '24. I would love to see those picts of the 32 running in those huge seas.
Hi Steve, unfortunately I don't have photos with my boat running, but I've a photo of my boat the Italian dealer has used for publicize on magazines. I'll send You by email, and also some "static" photos, since I think never my boat will leave the port without me aboard because I should make photos...... I can say You that the last fishing trip at Albacores, we rode at 27 knots on a Beaufort 4-5 North-East sea (that here is the most dangerous) with water passing above the half-tower... what a nice play! but the boat appeared to be "installed" on the water, without slammin nor losing stability above the waves. I comprehended why they build their boats so heavy.bye! ben
03-02-2005, 10:15 AM
I enjoyed the photos. Nice boat :thumbsup: