Dockside Chat - My neighbor and 400 million rounds...

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seabob4
03-28-2012, 08:47 PM
So my neighbor behind me asks me if I heard about the DHS buying 400 million rounds of 40 cal. I say no. He says why would they do that. I say I have no effin idea. He says that it's in preparation to stave off the masses when we rebel against the government....oh, boy, this is getting good. I say, "Fred, where did you here this?" He says, "Well, I read it, it's out there..."

Yeah, OK, no news story, no legitimate "reporting" on this supposed "buy" of all this ammo, just that he read it on the internet. He's also a bigot (his own admission), believes in segregation, is ex-military (think he was an HVAC man in the Navy), has numerous weapons, wears his hair down to his waste, and is on a morphine drip for a "supposed" back injury...

So, I decide to google "400 million rounds bought by DHS", and here's what I find, from survivalistboards.com, can't get any more right wing than them...

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=222961

I mean, my neighbor voted? And bred? Effin scary....


aiian
03-28-2012, 09:27 PM
I mean, my neighbor voted? And bred? Effin scary....

Same could be said about the fine folks in the bilge.

Mr. Demeanor
03-28-2012, 09:54 PM
Thats a lot of lead and probably a good investment.


bjm9818
03-29-2012, 05:01 AM
Thats a lot of lead and probably a good investment.

I wish I bought 400million rounds in 2003. My father laughed at me when I bought a dozen sealed surplus plastic pouches of 140 rounds of 7.62 back in 2005 for $38 each. He doesn't laugh now when he uses it with his FN AR.

Ryan H.
03-29-2012, 05:05 AM
400 million probably just a drop in the bucket for the overall fed ammo purchase, anyone know what the DOD purchased in the same year?

s_ebels
03-29-2012, 05:07 AM
So what's your take on why DHS would need 450,000,000 rounds of handgun ammo?

Please recall this is an agency tasked with domestic operations.

Tireless
03-29-2012, 05:28 AM
So what's your take on why DHS would need 450,000,000 rounds of handgun ammo?

Please recall this is an agency tasked with domestic operations.
DHS agents are terrible shooters and there are 330,000,000 citizens.

Mardi-Gras
03-29-2012, 05:44 AM
you forgot about the 120,000,000 illegals....

NJFISH
03-29-2012, 06:11 AM
Heed this advise I saw written on the side of a building:

gm3car1
03-29-2012, 06:13 AM
Open ended contract... means the ability to purchase up to that amount at a set price. I stock up whenever there is a good deal... the time is coming when you will need it...

Elusive
03-29-2012, 06:16 AM
Ammunition........................the currency of a new millenium



What Fed Agency uses .40 ?

A Few Dollars
03-29-2012, 06:19 AM
I mean, my neighbor voted? And bred? Effin scary....

So did you. :roll

Snapper Head
03-29-2012, 06:20 AM
So did you. :roll

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Big Al

Snapper Head
03-29-2012, 06:21 AM
What Fed Agency uses .40 ?


The IRS.:grin:


Big Al

A Few Dollars
03-29-2012, 06:26 AM
Federal Eye - Yes, the IRS buys guns (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/02/yes_the_irs_buys_guns.html)

Dept of EDUCATION, buys Shotguns (http://www.dailypaul.com/128563/dept-of-education-buys-shotguns-first-the-irs-now-the-doe)

floridababy
03-29-2012, 07:01 AM
The government buys it every month, didn't you know? jk. A lot of circulation of weaponry happens under the scene so its no surprise. Its seems more feasible that they use it on another source than the American population. The DHS is probably a misleading cover and its going to go towards helping Egypt, or who knows what, or maybe it is in case the protests in the streets get more spred out. Too much speculation in all the directions.

Thalasso
03-29-2012, 07:48 AM
Same could be said about the fine folks in the bilge.

My guess is, this will bring them out. :o:o:o

cjd
03-29-2012, 07:50 AM
will the increased demand/production bring the price down on the .40 rounds?

davedowneast
03-29-2012, 08:44 AM
will the increased demand/production bring the price down on the .40 rounds?

The opposite, we're talking about the goberment here, they're probably paying twice the value.;)

40 Palms
03-29-2012, 09:06 AM
The feds are probably doing an "ammunition" Fast and Furious. Gotta supply ammo for all those guns in Mexico now. :banghead:

08087
03-29-2012, 12:08 PM
If the OP did any "looking" at all he would have come up with many story lines on the subject. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk-secures-40-caliber-ammunition-contract-with-department-of-homeland-security-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-2012-03-12 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk-secures-40-caliber-ammunition-contract-with-department-of-homeland-security-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-2012-03-12)

In this day and age I have to ask, what is a "reputable" news source? Many people agree that the "news" is bias in a left leaning direction, so who's to say what is "reputable"?

slipkid
03-29-2012, 12:17 PM
That's my other favorite forum!

Bugbuster
03-29-2012, 12:35 PM
I learned a long long time ago that if the gubmint says everythings cool but you see them preparing for something that isn't cool. Thangs ain't cool. Something major will happen the end of this year of the first of next year. Could be as simple as the gubmint cuts out da welfare, or it could be something much much more dangerous.

My tin foil hat has been humming for about 6 months now. :grin:

DoubleO7
03-29-2012, 02:18 PM
The opposite, we're talking about the goberment here, they're probably paying twice the value.;)

Plus if the production is going to one major buyer, your going to pay more for what is available to the public.

Just like .380 rounds a couple of years ago.

CARV
03-29-2012, 07:29 PM
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.
U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.
The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer "optimum penetration for terminal performance."
This refers to the the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: "this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions."
We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-immigration-agents-are-loading-up-on-as-many-as-450-million-new-rounds-of-ammo-2012-3#ixzz1qYyhIUsM

captbone
03-29-2012, 07:55 PM
DHS uses the Sig P229 in .40

CaptKennyW
03-30-2012, 12:45 AM
Ammunition........................the currency of a new millenium



What Fed Agency uses .40 ?

Secret Service
Border Patrol
US Customs
NCIS
CGIS
USCG
Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)
Postal Inspectors
US Air Marshals

Plus numerous city and state agencies.

bellsisland
03-30-2012, 04:48 AM
something is brewing, and it ain't the coffee

Rival1
03-30-2012, 06:53 AM
The headline I read said 450m hollow points.

bjm9818
03-30-2012, 09:07 AM
Knowing our government I'm sure they use the HP's at the range too.

MAXIMUM B
03-30-2012, 11:04 AM
Delivery/Indefinite Quantity
Could also mean 1 box. I wouldn't be too exicted on terms like that with no minimum.
Amazing how much shit flows on the internet.

s_ebels
03-30-2012, 02:56 PM
The feds are probably doing an "ammunition" Fast and Furious. Gotta supply ammo for all those guns in Mexico now. :banghead:


:thumbsup:

Bear in mind that this round is basically the "cop killer" type bullet which the media made such a big deal about a few years back......just sayin.

aln
03-31-2012, 10:53 AM
Naw, it's just the ammo manufacturers extorting taxpayer money out of the gov't. You see the ammo manufacturers have a massive capacity to produce ammo. The military will always need a domestic supplier, they are partners in crime, so to speak. So when the military doesn't use enough to justify the ammo manufacturers factory capacity, they have to make up a req for enough ammo to keep the presses moving.

They will just ship it off to a bunker somewhere and store it.

I don't understand the articles description of the bullet. Hollow points are designed to be frangible or expand quickly and dissipate their energy to the target, typically hunting rounds you find at Walmart, that most body armor will stop because of the frangiblity. "Cop killer" bullets on the other hand, are typically hard ball with no exposed lead and a full metal jacket. They are war bullets described by the Geneva convention and designed to pass thru a body without distorting. Their purpose is to wound, not kill. They will penetrate most body armor.

lodel
03-31-2012, 12:24 PM
you forgot about the 120,000,000 illegals....
Can't shoot imports - they are protected - heck the gov't even gives them guns.



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